976: mystyry box of sylvyr I: isis game. day 3

[MathBlade]

Or actually he could be truthtelling if 3P he’d just be trying to elim town which would make him a bad 3P and need to be eliminated.

[NicCage]

My role is stupid if I'm not town. It might as well say "Your neighbor is town", since there are no mafia.
But who cares.

[MathBlade]

My role is stupid if I'm not town. It might as well say "Your neighbor is town", since there are no mafia.
But who cares.

It would exist as a fake claim. Or you’re just lying. Is this a slip there’s no mafia since this says “since” instead of “if” and Nic is 3P?

Sorry sorry shutting up

[NicCage]

You and I don't jive. Obviously I am responding to your post above. 'fake claim' and 'lying' aren't truthtelling. I am sick of you seizing every single tiny insignificant opportunity to try to paint me as scum.

VOTE: MathBlade

I'll do whatever. It doesn't have to be Dunn I guess. I'm not engaging with Math anymore D1.

[MathBlade]

Bring it. It’s not really seizing an opportunity when you claimed scum imho. You haven’t hunted and are omgusing. Quite happy with this development.

[TheGoldenParadox]

i feel like all of this 3p vs non 3p discussion is deliberately something thrown in by schadd to mess with us, and I feel like the amount of discussion that's based on the word 3p instead of town is far too large.

I think I can be fairly confident that this game is, fundamentally, mafia. It's an uninformed majority pitted against an informed minority. Thus, while there might be 3ps in the game, the amount of focus there seems bad. We know that two individuals, with a wincon somewhat or fully mutual to each other and fully exclusive to that of town (all threats to the town must be eliminated, therefore they must be a threat to the town, because otherwise this wouldn't be a game of mafia.) As in, there's an uninformed majority, and an informed minority: like MBOS Large, there may be differing levels of information within those two groups, but those are the two groups.

Thus, if this is a 3p game, I am fairly comfortable treating any 3ps that aren't part of the "scumgroup" as town, at very least for d1. Mechanically, Nic seems like scum, and from play, nic seems to me like scum as well. VOTE: niccage

We have less than 24 hours left. It's compromise time.

mastina, dunn, akarin, gypyx, would you join this?

[Akarin]

Agree about the 3p talk.

TGP, ignoring the mechanics, what do you think is scummy about Nic's play?

[DoubtingThomas]

Can some of the non-MathBlade people please chime in more?

Hi I am mastina and my name is not Mathblade and thus I can chime in with this:

My townbloc, as in, town that I think can work together to solidly lock the game down, is:
{Akarin, Mathblade, TheGoldenParadox}.
If you want to throw in locktown reads, throw in Gypyx in there as well, who I don't see as having the same ability to work well with us but who I think is town.

That's four names; I am a fifth.

That leaves four names remaining:
{DoubtingThomas, SKYEscrapers, NicCage, Dunnstral}.

Regardless of 7-2 or 4 town, I believe that the game's scum are found in the four above; if the game's got four town, then the above contain the scum/'scum' of the game along with 3ps that aren't scum. In either case, they contain the players with the highest chances of flipping nontown.

Of them, Nic's by far the towniest by play, but with a fairly sketchy claim;
Dunnstral's by far the scummiest by play, but if Nic's claim is legitimate, has a fair chance to not be scum;
DoubtingThomas and SKYEscrapers are both, conditionally, possible scum candidates regardless.

you should read my posts. from what I gather all 3 of the people in your town bloc town reads me at least to a point to not put me in the poe today.

[DoubtingThomas]

i feel like all of this 3p vs non 3p discussion is deliberately something thrown in by schadd to mess with us, and I feel like the amount of discussion that's based on the word 3p instead of town is far too large.

I think I can be fairly confident that this game is, fundamentally, mafia. It's an uninformed majority pitted against an informed minority. Thus, while there might be 3ps in the game, the amount of focus there seems bad. We know that two individuals, with a wincon somewhat or fully mutual to each other and fully exclusive to that of town (all threats to the town must be eliminated, therefore they must be a threat to the town, because otherwise this wouldn't be a game of mafia.) As in, there's an uninformed majority, and an informed minority: like MBOS Large, there may be differing levels of information within those two groups, but those are the two groups.

Thus, if this is a 3p game, I am fairly comfortable treating any 3ps that aren't part of the "scumgroup" as town, at very least for d1. Mechanically, Nic seems like scum, and from play, nic seems to me like scum as well. VOTE: niccage

We have less than 24 hours left. It's compromise time.

mastina, dunn, akarin, gypyx, would you join this?

that's not true. i am completely town and I think the possibility that this game is literally either a game where 5/9 people are 3p or not is sorta important to address. It's not like one of those games where there's a CHANCE of being a 3p maybe 1-2 ppl out of a massive number of people though? over majority of people being 3p is like very different dynamic.

There's no guarantee that all 5 3p's have similar wincondition to town (e.g. Jester or maybe someone wins in town's stead if they are last to survive etc). I didn't get that only 2 out of the 5 possible 3p's are of 'scum alignment' - did I miss something?

[DoubtingThomas]

My role is stupid if I'm not town. It might as well say "Your neighbor is town", since there are no mafia.
But who cares.

this post is kinda poor.

[MathBlade]

i feel like all of this 3p vs non 3p discussion is deliberately something thrown in by schadd to mess with us, and I feel like the amount of discussion that's based on the word 3p instead of town is far too large.

I think I can be fairly confident that this game is, fundamentally, mafia. It's an uninformed majority pitted against an informed minority. Thus, while there might be 3ps in the game, the amount of focus there seems bad. We know that two individuals, with a wincon somewhat or fully mutual to each other and fully exclusive to that of town (all threats to the town must be eliminated, therefore they must be a threat to the town, because otherwise this wouldn't be a game of mafia.) As in, there's an uninformed majority, and an informed minority: like MBOS Large, there may be differing levels of information within those two groups, but those are the two groups.

Thus, if this is a 3p game, I am fairly comfortable treating any 3ps that aren't part of the "scumgroup" as town, at very least for d1. Mechanically, Nic seems like scum, and from play, nic seems to me like scum as well. VOTE: niccage

We have less than 24 hours left. It's compromise time.

mastina, dunn, akarin, gypyx, would you join this?

that's not true. i am completely town and I think the possibility that this game is literally either a game where 5/9 people are 3p or not is sorta important to address. It's not like one of those games where there's a CHANCE of being a 3p maybe 1-2 ppl out of a massive number of people though? over majority of people being 3p is like very different dynamic.

There's no guarantee that all 5 3p's have similar wincondition to town (e.g. Jester or maybe someone wins in town's stead if they are last to survive etc). I didn't get that only 2 out of the 5 possible 3p's are of 'scum alignment' - did I miss something?

It’s in the OP.

I really think A should be switched for DT in Mastina’s block.

Then again I suspect she may have her own reasons for that block.

[DoubtingThomas]

like what is Dunnstral doing? He's literally posting 1 post while others are posting like at least 5 times? Not that activity should be used to scum read people but this is like to the point where he just simply seems like he has no interest in game? He will never leave the PoE like he deserves and we could sort of clear nic based on whether or not dunnstral flips a scum rolecard. I also have this huge gut feeling that he's most likely to have a team right now based on how the thread slowly moving away from his lynch over niccage's even though t here's not much point in that and would like a dunnstral flip first.

[DoubtingThomas]

i feel like all of this 3p vs non 3p discussion is deliberately something thrown in by schadd to mess with us, and I feel like the amount of discussion that's based on the word 3p instead of town is far too large.

I think I can be fairly confident that this game is, fundamentally, mafia. It's an uninformed majority pitted against an informed minority. Thus, while there might be 3ps in the game, the amount of focus there seems bad. We know that two individuals, with a wincon somewhat or fully mutual to each other and fully exclusive to that of town (all threats to the town must be eliminated, therefore they must be a threat to the town, because otherwise this wouldn't be a game of mafia.) As in, there's an uninformed majority, and an informed minority: like MBOS Large, there may be differing levels of information within those two groups, but those are the two groups.

Thus, if this is a 3p game, I am fairly comfortable treating any 3ps that aren't part of the "scumgroup" as town, at very least for d1. Mechanically, Nic seems like scum, and from play, nic seems to me like scum as well. VOTE: niccage

We have less than 24 hours left. It's compromise time.

mastina, dunn, akarin, gypyx, would you join this?

that's not true. i am completely town and I think the possibility that this game is literally either a game where 5/9 people are 3p or not is sorta important to address. It's not like one of those games where there's a CHANCE of being a 3p maybe 1-2 ppl out of a massive number of people though? over majority of people being 3p is like very different dynamic.

There's no guarantee that all 5 3p's have similar wincondition to town (e.g. Jester or maybe someone wins in town's stead if they are last to survive etc). I didn't get that only 2 out of the 5 possible 3p's are of 'scum alignment' - did I miss something?

It’s in the OP.

I really think A should be switched for DT in Mastina’s block.

Then again I suspect she may have her own reasons for that block.

is A, Akarin?

[DoubtingThomas]

like what is Dunnstral doing? He's literally posting 1 post while others are posting like at least 5 times? Not that activity should be used to scum read people but this is like to the point where he just simply seems like he has no interest in game? He will never leave the PoE like he deserves and we could sort of clear nic based on whether or not dunnstral flips a scum rolecard. I also have this huge gut feeling that he's most likely to have a team right now based on how the thread slowly moving away from his lynch over niccage's even though t here's not much point in that and would like a dunnstral flip first.

this sort of behavior by dunnstral probably makes MOST sense if he is non-town (likely 3p or scum whatever). he literally has 0 motivation to solve anyone and is clearly showing thata by his posting even though there's less than 24 hours to go and there actually has been incredible amount of new information. like the difference in how fast the thread is growing (people are posting) seems like 15mph run versus like a 60mph run now. but dunnstral is going the exact opposite of that which is

NOT TOWNIE

[MathBlade]

Yes. I commonly shorten usernames as my play is almost exclusively on my phone.

[DoubtingThomas]

ftr, even though I was scum reading Akarin before I feel better about her, I think. I think as scum she would have put me in her PoE, but she didn't even though it probably was really easy for her to do so. I think I see a genuine progression in thought there.

[MathBlade]

like what is Dunnstral doing? He's literally posting 1 post while others are posting like at least 5 times? Not that activity should be used to scum read people but this is like to the point where he just simply seems like he has no interest in game? He will never leave the PoE like he deserves and we could sort of clear nic based on whether or not dunnstral flips a scum rolecard. I also have this huge gut feeling that he's most likely to have a team right now based on how the thread slowly moving away from his lynch over niccage's even though t here's not much point in that and would like a dunnstral flip first.

this sort of behavior by dunnstral probably makes MOST sense if he is non-town (likely 3p or scum whatever). he literally has 0 motivation to solve anyone and is clearly showing thata by his posting even though there's less than 24 hours to go and there actually has been incredible amount of new information. like the difference in how fast the thread is growing (people are posting) seems like 15mph run versus like a 60mph run now. but dunnstral is going the exact opposite of that which is

NOT TOWNIE

Nah. I think Dunn is scummy for other reasons, but his activity level isn’t one of them. Expecting someone to keep up with me on d1 is a bit much.

[DoubtingThomas]

As for mastina, her posts from first 3 pages compared to the posts in the last ~5 ish pages are like night and day. I am not sure if I can really categorize that to be scummy or townie. Yes, in general, it's town indicative to show more motivation in genuine solving after new info is out. However, because this game can be a 5 person 3-p game, this sort of behavior is probably also true for non-town alignment player.

[DoubtingThomas]

like what is Dunnstral doing? He's literally posting 1 post while others are posting like at least 5 times? Not that activity should be used to scum read people but this is like to the point where he just simply seems like he has no interest in game? He will never leave the PoE like he deserves and we could sort of clear nic based on whether or not dunnstral flips a scum rolecard. I also have this huge gut feeling that he's most likely to have a team right now based on how the thread slowly moving away from his lynch over niccage's even though t here's not much point in that and would like a dunnstral flip first.

this sort of behavior by dunnstral probably makes MOST sense if he is non-town (likely 3p or scum whatever). he literally has 0 motivation to solve anyone and is clearly showing thata by his posting even though there's less than 24 hours to go and there actually has been incredible amount of new information. like the difference in how fast the thread is growing (people are posting) seems like 15mph run versus like a 60mph run now. but dunnstral is going the exact opposite of that which is

NOT TOWNIE

Nah. I think Dunn is scummy for other reasons, but his activity level isn’t one of them. Expecting someone to keep up with me on d1 is a bit much.

I don't see much difference in lynching nic or dunn over the other. why do you prefer nic? if anything nic was the more pro-town slot. dunn was the one who was trying to hide information from the townies?

[MathBlade]

ftr, even though I was scum reading Akarin before I feel better about her, I think. I think as scum she would have put me in her PoE, but she didn't even though it probably was really easy for her to do so. I think I see a genuine progression in thought there.

I think A is looking for a way out and knows you’re not low hanging fruit.

The resistance to both Nic and Dunn is rather telling neither have been hammered.

[DoubtingThomas]

ftr, even though I was scum reading Akarin before I feel better about her, I think. I think as scum she would have put me in her PoE, but she didn't even though it probably was really easy for her to do so. I think I see a genuine progression in thought there.

I think A is looking for a way out and knows you’re not low hanging fruit.

The resistance to both Nic and Dunn is rather telling neither have been hammered.

I can see that. I also believe Nic and Dunn should be dead soon. why are you voting dunn over nic?

[DoubtingThomas]

ftr, I am not against dunn nor nic lynch. i think most optimal kill is between the two slots today. I want to hear what others' opinions are on the two. we should kill out of the two people who have claimed neighbor

[MathBlade]

As for mastina, her posts from first 3 pages compared to the posts in the last ~5 ish pages are like night and day. I am not sure if I can really categorize that to be scummy or townie. Yes, in general, it's town indicative to show more motivation in genuine solving after new info is out. However, because this game can be a 5 person 3-p game, this sort of behavior is probably also true for non-town alignment player.

Mastina could be a 3P, but if she is she’s townsiding today and not worth a PoE.

I kinda hinted at it when I mentioned you should be in the town block.

More than likely if she is 3P, Mastina is balancing siding with A who is likely 3P and me who is town and trying to figure out how to fit which is why she pushed Skye for a bit.

I don’t see her as group scum though.

[MathBlade]

like what is Dunnstral doing? He's literally posting 1 post while others are posting like at least 5 times? Not that activity should be used to scum read people but this is like to the point where he just simply seems like he has no interest in game? He will never leave the PoE like he deserves and we could sort of clear nic based on whether or not dunnstral flips a scum rolecard. I also have this huge gut feeling that he's most likely to have a team right now based on how the thread slowly moving away from his lynch over niccage's even though t here's not much point in that and would like a dunnstral flip first.

this sort of behavior by dunnstral probably makes MOST sense if he is non-town (likely 3p or scum whatever). he literally has 0 motivation to solve anyone and is clearly showing thata by his posting even though there's less than 24 hours to go and there actually has been incredible amount of new information. like the difference in how fast the thread is growing (people are posting) seems like 15mph run versus like a 60mph run now. but dunnstral is going the exact opposite of that which is

NOT TOWNIE

Nah. I think Dunn is scummy for other reasons, but his activity level isn’t one of them. Expecting someone to keep up with me on d1 is a bit much.

I don't see much difference in lynching nic or dunn over the other. why do you prefer nic? if anything nic was the more pro-town slot. dunn was the one who was trying to hide information from the townies?

Where do you see Dunn hiding information?

It was Dunn who exposed what was going on in the hood.
It was Nic who “made a mistake”.

So far Dunn seems on the up and up just not hunting as much as I would like and that’s why he’s scummy.

[MathBlade]

ftr, even though I was scum reading Akarin before I feel better about her, I think. I think as scum she would have put me in her PoE, but she didn't even though it probably was really easy for her to do so. I think I see a genuine progression in thought there.

I think A is looking for a way out and knows you’re not low hanging fruit.

The resistance to both Nic and Dunn is rather telling neither have been hammered.

I can see that. I also believe Nic and Dunn should be dead soon. why are you voting dunn over nic?

I’m not?