In post 775, Battle Mage wrote:in short, I don't think I get any significant towncred from Gamma flipping scum.
glad to see we're in agreement
we seem to agree frequently in this game.
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:23 pm
by unwnd
This may be preemptive but if Gamma/BM were TvT, I feel scum would just let them bicker amongst themselves and then have two voting opportunities if one eats the other alive. What should be a showmatch with multiple people betting on the hypothetical winner just feels like circumstance and dealing with it. Part of the reason why I feel it's SvT is that you have this strange compromise between the two where most people agree that BM is being just as much of an ass as Gamma... but Gamma is the one getting the most 'scum' declarations and then BM is just being anti-town.
To the people who care: What makes them different. Gamma seems liable on account of his own behavior and BM is again just sorta rude. I don't know if I care for that after stepping back for a few. I'll be honest and say I can't differentiate their posts in the last three-four pages.
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:27 pm
by unwnd
Brian Skies wrote:
Antitown, but is it scum?
Battlemage
Very Probably Scum
Gamma
Like this alone definitively irks me. I don't know Brian. If It's SvS then they're just hamming it up and loling in the scum PT, but I really buy Gamma's outbursts when he says things like 'hes a bad player i want him out' as that's just such a weak thing to accuse even your partner for. If I'm reading your readlist then you think if Gamma isn't scum then BM is next to go?
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:28 pm
by Will catch up later maybe
i have important information to share
did you know that you can't use "busy" in a username and on MS?
that is all
this game is moving too slowly. try to get this to 50 pages in the next few hours, tia
In post 753, Cabd wrote:I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.
And I'm kinda sad about that.
I'm in the middle of a reread right now. Syr scummoned me to look at LLD posts and I find this awaiting me.
Your reads list mostly doesn't bother me. Just about everyone I'm townreading is on it. Along with a couple not-town-reads that I'm hoping I understand better after rereading. And you moved us up for reasons unknown.
In fact this post is the first post by you that's actually raised my hackles.
I thought your day 3 ticket was punched. :/
~ strange
In post 748, Cabd wrote:What do you make of her posting right now in every game except this one, then, Gamma?
In post 753, Cabd wrote:I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.
In post 616, midwaybear wrote:I remember it started sometime in May, but after checking it ended in July.
About BM, I didn't really townread him. I just find the way he plays to be a little grating personally, but Cakez reasons didn't seem too substantiated to me. Considering that Cakez apparently only played in BM scum games, it's a bit weird. I like that Cakez backed off though, but neither of them are really confident reads rn.
Forgot to respond. Gamma/BM seems like a clear battle going on, what's your take on it?
Afk
It's bizarre and my initial impression is that Gamma is probably trying to sacc himself to make BM look better.
I could be wrong, but that's how it feels to me.
Ooohh don’t get me started. If I I’m legit about my feelings on BM, how do you think I could EVER withstand a scum PT with him??!?!?
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:32 pm
by Battle Mage
In post 779, unwnd wrote:This may be preemptive but if Gamma/BM were TvT, I feel scum would just let them bicker amongst themselves and then have two voting opportunities if one eats the other alive. What should be a showmatch with multiple people betting on the hypothetical winner just feels like circumstance and dealing with it. Part of the reason why I feel it's SvT is that you have this strange compromise between the two where most people agree that BM is being just as much of an ass as Gamma... but Gamma is the one getting the most 'scum' declarations and then BM is just being anti-town.
To the people who care: What makes them different. Gamma seems liable on account of his own behavior and BM is again just sorta rude. I don't know if I care for that after stepping back for a few. I'll be honest and say I can't differentiate their posts in the last three-four pages.
eh, i think that's a strange interpretation. I don't think most people have called me an ass - I certainly haven't been reprimanded by the Mod, or been offensive/rude. I think if people don't like me posting frequently, that's fine, and if people don't think I have good reads, again, that's fine. But you seem to be trying to re-ignite bad feeling here without actually drawing any meaningful conclusion which would positively affect the game, which I think is both unnecessary, and anti-town.
I think it's probably fair to point out that lots of people in this game have played with me before, and know this is how I play as town, and that's presumably what they are using to judge my alignment - rather than anything personal or inflammatory. Your assessment above is about as 'surface-level' as it gets, and doesn't engage with any of the actual reasons people are voting for Gamma - construing it purely as the direct result of my interaction with him is not a fair reflection.
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:33 pm
by L4pe
In post 779, unwnd wrote:This may be preemptive but if Gamma/BM were TvT, I feel scum would just let them bicker amongst themselves and then have two voting opportunities if one eats the other alive. What should be a showmatch with multiple people betting on the hypothetical winner just feels like circumstance and dealing with it. Part of the reason why I feel it's SvT is that you have this strange compromise between the two where most people agree that BM is being just as much of an ass as Gamma... but Gamma is the one getting the most 'scum' declarations and then BM is just being anti-town.
To the people who care: What makes them different. Gamma seems liable on account of his own behavior and BM is again just sorta rude. I don't know if I care for that after stepping back for a few. I'll be honest and say I can't differentiate their posts in the last three-four pages.
not a bad idea, disregarding the idea that following this it is free towncred to tell them to shut the fuck up
In post 779, unwnd wrote:This may be preemptive but if Gamma/BM were TvT, I feel scum would just let them bicker amongst themselves and then have two voting opportunities if one eats the other alive. What should be a showmatch with multiple people betting on the hypothetical winner just feels like circumstance and dealing with it. Part of the reason why I feel it's SvT is that you have this strange compromise between the two where most people agree that BM is being just as much of an ass as Gamma... but Gamma is the one getting the most 'scum' declarations and then BM is just being anti-town.
To the people who care: What makes them different. Gamma seems liable on account of his own behavior and BM is again just sorta rude. I don't know if I care for that after stepping back for a few. I'll be honest and say I can't differentiate their posts in the last three-four pages.
eh, i think that's a strange interpretation. I don't think most people have called me an ass - I certainly haven't been reprimanded by the Mod, or been offensive/rude. I think if people don't like me posting frequently, that's fine, and if people don't think I have good reads, again, that's fine. But you seem to be trying to re-ignite bad feeling here without actually drawing any meaningful conclusion which would positively affect the game, which I think is both unnecessary, and anti-town.
I think it's probably fair to point out that lots of people in this game have played with me before, and know this is how I play as town, and that's presumably what they are using to judge my alignment - rather than anything personal or inflammatory. Your assessment above is about as 'surface-level' as it gets, and doesn't engage with any of the actual reasons people are voting for Gamma - construing it purely as the direct result of my interaction with him is not a fair reflection.
I ask because I want to know, you're right I have no conclusion
I don't know what you mean by 'not engaging any of the actual reasons voting gamma' because I'm pretty sure they've boiled down to him being excessive and lack of substance
Brian Skies wrote:
Antitown, but is it scum?
Battlemage
Very Probably Scum
Gamma
Like this alone definitively irks me. I don't know Brian. If It's SvS then they're just hamming it up and loling in the scum PT, but I really buy Gamma's outbursts when he says things like 'hes a bad player i want him out' as that's just such a weak thing to accuse even your partner for. If I'm reading your readlist then you think if Gamma isn't scum then BM is next to go?
in addition to my previous post, 2 issues with this from my perspective.
1. You initially interpret Brian's post as meaning he thinks Gamma and I are both scum. That doesn't appear to be the case, but you make an assumption and attack, rather than asking the question in good faith.
2. You then switch tack, and interpret Brian's post as meaning he thinks at least 1 of me and Gamma are scum. Again, that doesn't appear to be the case, and this feels a bit like you pushing to set up multiple elims here.
Brian Skies wrote:
Antitown, but is it scum?
Battlemage
Very Probably Scum
Gamma
Like this alone definitively irks me. I don't know Brian. If It's SvS then they're just hamming it up and loling in the scum PT, but I really buy Gamma's outbursts when he says things like 'hes a bad player i want him out' as that's just such a weak thing to accuse even your partner for. If I'm reading your readlist then you think if Gamma isn't scum then BM is next to go?
in addition to my previous post, 2 issues with this from my perspective.
1. You initially interpret Brian's post as meaning he thinks Gamma and I are both scum. That doesn't appear to be the case, but you make an assumption and attack, rather than asking the question in good faith.
2. You then switch tack, and interpret Brian's post as meaning he thinks at least 1 of me and Gamma are scum. Again, that doesn't appear to be the case, and this feels a bit like you pushing to set up multiple elims here.
FoS: Unwnd
I don't think you really thought about this post but I like it in hindsight because it seems unprepared
In post 779, unwnd wrote:This may be preemptive but if Gamma/BM were TvT, I feel scum would just let them bicker amongst themselves and then have two voting opportunities if one eats the other alive. What should be a showmatch with multiple people betting on the hypothetical winner just feels like circumstance and dealing with it. Part of the reason why I feel it's SvT is that you have this strange compromise between the two where most people agree that BM is being just as much of an ass as Gamma... but Gamma is the one getting the most 'scum' declarations and then BM is just being anti-town.
To the people who care: What makes them different. Gamma seems liable on account of his own behavior and BM is again just sorta rude. I don't know if I care for that after stepping back for a few. I'll be honest and say I can't differentiate their posts in the last three-four pages.
eh, i think that's a strange interpretation. I don't think most people have called me an ass - I certainly haven't been reprimanded by the Mod, or been offensive/rude. I think if people don't like me posting frequently, that's fine, and if people don't think I have good reads, again, that's fine. But you seem to be trying to re-ignite bad feeling here without actually drawing any meaningful conclusion which would positively affect the game, which I think is both unnecessary, and anti-town.
I think it's probably fair to point out that lots of people in this game have played with me before, and know this is how I play as town, and that's presumably what they are using to judge my alignment - rather than anything personal or inflammatory. Your assessment above is about as 'surface-level' as it gets, and doesn't engage with any of the actual reasons people are voting for Gamma - construing it purely as the direct result of my interaction with him is not a fair reflection.
I ask because I want to know, you're right I have no conclusion
I don't know what you mean by 'not engaging any of the actual reasons voting gamma' because I'm pretty sure they've boiled down to him being excessive and lack of substance
That's definitely not the case on Gamma. maybe not engaging is the wrong phrase, and it's not understanding? but then my question is, why are you so interested in BM vs Gamma if you don't care enough about solving Gamma to understand why people are voting for him?
Additionally I'm struggling to see your protown motive for going back to this argument now it has settled down.
Read me in both of these and tell me if you think I handle a second of being scum with BM after I made up my mind on him.
In addition, curious why people are voting me at this point. I have given reads, so what’s the fucking deal?
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:42 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 788, unwnd wrote:I don't know what you mean by 'not engaging any of the actual reasons voting gamma' because I'm pretty sure they've boiled down to him being excessive and lack of substance
This feels like a legitimate view of the situation
However I also agree unwnd looks like he is stirring the pot a bit here
Read me in both of these and tell me if you think I handle a second of being scum with BM after I made up my mind on him.
why are you making the case i'm not scum with you? I mean, it's fine by me, but not sure how it helps you?
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:43 pm
by Cobra Kai
I am townreading unwnd. I think he has fair stances on gamma and BM. I don’t like BM’s FoS, I don’t see where he got his interpretation of what unwnd is saying.
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:44 pm
by Gamma Emerald
I’m VERY curious how a post restriction fits into this setup at all jsyk
I’m calling your bluff LLD.
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:45 pm
by Battle Mage
i feel pretty good about the Gamma wagon, given how quickly it built. usually a good sign on day 1.
we seem to agree frequently in this game.
maybe not engaging is the wrong phrase, and it's not understanding? but then my question is, why are you so interested in BM vs Gamma if you don't care enough about solving Gamma to understand why people are voting for him?