I feel it's possible. I definitely think the way the Meg wagon formed out of the blue is indicative of scum on it, and I'm leaning significantly towards Tracer being the scum over you rn.
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:13 pm
by Tracer Bullet
934 PM: Tracer votes Meg
937 PM: Norwee votes Meg
939 PM: Ircher says he thinks Meg is townie becuz "reason"
1004 PM: SS votes Meg
1004 PM: Tracer asks Ircher why he finds Meg Townie
1014 PM: Tracer complains that Ircher isn't explaining the townread on Meg despite a flashwagon heading to Meg
1026 PM: Duckie votes Meg "SORRY IRCHER!" - I'm guessing Duckie didn't find Ircher's reason for Meg!town convincing.
1032 PM: Meg finally shows up and claims Meg is town and doesn't really say anything about the wagon or w/e.
1057 PM: Ircher shows up and hammers Meg.
Let's say for the sake of argument I'm some kind of baddie who wants to throw Meg out a window cuz I think Meg is like an easy target/mark or whatever and I start a counterwagon on Meg with NorweeBoy cuz with SS's vote we can get that shit to E-2.
Why would I be asking you to explain your townread of Meg here? Seems kind of counterproductive to the whole enterprise of yeeting someone so that I can like not die right?
But instead of just talking out your reasoning with me and maybe changing my mind if your reasoning is good, you basically don't answer me and when you show up its to hammer Meg.
Now you're blaming it on me... when you're the one who didn't answer me and you're the one who hammered. Like what!?
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:28 pm
by Ircher
As to explaining my reasoning: I know for a fact that it would get dismissed as "bad setup spec", and even if it did, there was a 0% chance it would change your mind. Thus, it wasn't worthwhile elaborating further especially when it's based on knowledge I know about the setup from my role. (Speaking of which, I have not and do not plan on sharing because revealing it adds virtually nothing to the table while keeping it does give a slight chance for town to slip lack of awareness of such knowledge or for the reverse case of scum TMI'ing the info. Meg was the former case obviously.)
As to hammering: there was like ~5 hours left in the day, and I wasn't going to be on later. the worst had already shifted votes, so it seemed unlikely you would garner the needed votes in my absence. The basis of my town read (as alluded above) was not strong enough that allowing a no lim to occur would be the better outcome.
Anyway, the Meg thing is only part of the reason why I scum read you. There's still the matter of your manipulative posting and continuous misrepresentation of the game state yesterday that also makes you scum.
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:39 pm
by Tracer Bullet
In post 780, Ircher wrote:As to explaining my reasoning: I know for a fact that it would get dismissed as "bad setup spec", and even if it did, there was a 0% chance it would change your mind. Thus, it wasn't worthwhile elaborating further especially when it's based on knowledge I know about the setup from my role. (Speaking of which, I have not and do not plan on sharing because revealing it adds virtually nothing to the table while keeping it does give a slight chance for town to slip lack of awareness of such knowledge or for the reverse case of scum TMI'ing the info. Meg was the former case obviously.)
kind of hard for you to know that given you never told me what the info was
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:41 pm
by Tracer Bullet
In post 780, Ircher wrote:Anyway, the Meg thing is only part of the reason why I scum read you. There's still the matter of your manipulative posting and continuous misrepresentation of the game state yesterday that also makes you scum.
do you have examples of how I lied and manipulated in a way that proves I'm scum? i'm always interested in that.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:51 am
by Tracer Bullet
btw I think it's funny you think I'm misrepresenting the game state when literally nobody is posting but go off champ
Mega's flip didn't really change my mind on things too much. I don't really understand why Ircher knew from anything mechanically why an VT slot was more likely town but they are conf!town and don't want to share so whatever.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:32 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 762, RH wrote:MegAzumarill (E-0) - Tracer Bullet, NorwegianboyEE, Something_Smart, the worst, Ircher
Also you were on the wagon too, what is this hypocrisy lmao.
Mega's flip didn't really change my mind on things too much. I don't really understand why Ircher knew from anything mechanically why an VT slot was more likely town but they are conf!town and don't want to share so whatever.
Why does this even matter?
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:12 am
by RCEnigma
The flash wagon kinda killed my whim. It shouldn't have but it's whatever, I'll pick it back up.
I'm still convinced tracer/ss/wall has 1 if not both scum.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:38 am
by Ircher
We're never limming Wallflower today.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:03 pm
by Tracer Bullet
wallflower didnt even vote for Megaz but ok
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:09 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 788, RCEnigma wrote:The flash wagon kinda killed my whim. It shouldn't have but it's whatever, I'll pick it back up.
I'm still convinced tracer/ss/wall has 1 if not both scum.
Sounds like a townie thought.
The "killed my whim" part.
Cus it sounds real and not an excuse.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:11 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
Consider my spiritual vote on Toog right now, but that’s not final. And with 4 to lim i wanna wait until the V/LA’s end before throwing my vote around.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:33 pm
by Tracer Bullet
in my defense if im losing to scum!norwe its absolutely because I am easily pocketed by anyone who looks like they give a shit in a game where nobody looks like they give a shit
My scumread on them is low in confidence but my pool is what it is because I can consider myself norwee and Ircher all town. If I make a leap on you as town that's all that's left. I'm not fully there, but I do keep flipping back and forth.
Late in the day wall was riding the fence on you/toog which isn't great but I wasn't around to hammer at deadline so grain of salt I guess. I actually think you being town makes wall!scum more likely.
I just want SS today though.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:03 pm
by Wallflower
In post 777, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Well with two V/LA's that's gonna make this game even less lively than it used to be. Great.
I’m sorry! I’m still not quite out of the busy period yet unfortunately, but not long to go before I’ll be able to weigh in with my thoughts.