Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.06

with 21 votes in play, it takes 11 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-09-29 01:45:00).

firing

Ircher [9]:

mastina, Lukewarm, Titus, furtiveglance, Ausuka, RCEnigma, Klick, BlueBloodedToffee, Vivax

Ydrasse [4]:

Roden, Andresvmb, PenguinPower, Nero Cain

Titus [3]:

petapan, Malakittens, fireisredsir

petapan [1]:

Something_Smart

Vivax [1]:

Ircher

Roden [1]:

Uncrowned

Malakittens [1]:

jjh927

not voting [1]:

Ydrasse

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[Klick]

Subject: Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

Yo, very important to note:

I am a Beloved Princess

.

No, seriously; no joke; this is a realclaim. (I can fullclaim the wording use, but I've reason not to.)

Obviously, this needs to be said since eliminating me during the day is a Very Bad Idea. (I'll need to ask a question to the mod about Vigs tho.)

I may or may not be feeling like playing tonight but it'll either be shortly or not until tomorrow-at-earliest.

VOTE: mastina

There's a reason this pinged me originally and it's because mastina absolutely is willing to claim things early if she feels they're close to the truth of her situation as scum

[Klick]

Jackpot

[jjh927]

I don't think you've considered the range of possibilities that would lead to scum potentially being caught lying about productivity numbers if they make shit up now

Though it depends on what exactly is contained within a scum PM, at the moment we are assuming that only town do anything with productivity numbers.

What if there is a hypothetical role that could determine someone's productivity in the previous phase? How would it respond if it targeted scum? Nobody knows, because it's hypothetical, but it's at least moderately likely given it's not a very far-fetched role design in relation to the mechanic


I can tell you that if Mastina was scum, she would certainly have considered a similar line of reasoning before claiming to put in 0%

[Andresvmb]

ydrasse how do you feel about your wagon

Trewly i do not care

Since when do you not care about votes on you? Or engaging with the people voting you? I just don’t remember you posting like this when we’ve played in the past. Do I have it wrong? Like why the nonchalance? I usually get irritated when I’m read wrongly and people get all stubborn about it. I remember you caring a bit. What happened? Is there anything specific to this game?

[jjh927]

This being said, there is no sample scum role PM and it is reasonable to assume scum have funky non-public mechanics

[Vivax]

But anyway, Mastina declaring 0% is absolutely town indicative because no matter what- Mastina made that decision with thought behind it. Scum!Mastina avoids fakeclaims, especially in a situation like this where there's so many unknowns that could unravel it. And if Mastina was scum, declaring any percentage would be a fakeclaim that might become unraveled.

I'll take your word for this, because it's what bugged me.
If S_S is who I think it is, they could be eligible for that spot.

[Titus]

I am very surprised by the FoSes on me that agree with my pushes on Ircher and SS. There has to be scum in there.

[furtiveglance]

Klick: Townread
Anyway, here's another READ I HAD look at me guys I have reads. The original Mastina sus complete with meta dive (91) followed by turnaround in 115 looks like a real journey. I don't really agree with the crossing off method but it looks like something you could do in a large game to keep track of players. I like that they're towning fairly selectively and not just the top posters or players who might have thread influence. That's about it.

[Vivax]

Here's my gut take


Town:
Lukewarm
Klick
Titus
Roden
Mastina
Ausuka
fireisredsir
PenguinPower
Andresvmb
petapan
Uncrowned
RCEnigma
Ydrasse
Nero Cain
Something_Smart

Nothing:
BlueBloodedToffee

Scum:
Vivax
Ircher
furtiveglance
Malakittens

Well, paragon is wrong on me apparently. But Nero fights the idea, which could be relevant.

[Lukewarm]

But anyway, Mastina declaring 0% is absolutely town indicative because no matter what- Mastina made that decision with thought behind it. Scum!Mastina avoids fakeclaims, especially in a situation like this where there's so many unknowns that could unravel it. And if Mastina was scum, declaring any percentage would be a fakeclaim that might become unraveled.

Mastina does fake claim as scum if she feels like she has to based on the set up, just limits how much of what she is saying is a lie.

So, if she were scum with some form of pr, she would have likely realized that she would need to play as though she was doing less then 100% incase she is ever tracked.

I don't really have a read on Mastina atm, but I don't think it is true to say that scum mastina would not lie about her productivity levels.

[Andresvmb]

I like Nero for Town. Which is a good thing because fighting Scum!Nero is a horrible experience.

[jjh927]

Well, paragon is wrong on me apparently. But Nero fights the idea, which could be relevant.

I mean, I don't doubt many of my reads there are wrong. The point is that I'll be right by the end of the day if you give me time.

I also never actually got paragon. My theory is that people who get paragon don't die on night 1 as much as me so they get to solve more games

[jjh927]

I don't really have a read on Mastina atm, but I don't think it is true to say that scum mastina would not lie about her productivity levels.

Why would she lock herself into it before the night phase has even begun?

[furtiveglance]

What's paragon?

[Ircher]

vote count 1.06

with 21 votes in play, it takes 11 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-09-29 01:45:00).

firing

Ircher [9]:

mastina, Lukewarm, Titus, furtiveglance, Ausuka, RCEnigma, Klick, BlueBloodedToffee, Vivax

Ydrasse [4]:

Roden, Andresvmb, PenguinPower, Nero Cain

Titus [3]:

petapan, Malakittens, fireisredsir

petapan [1]:

Something_Smart

Vivax [1]:

Ircher

Roden [1]:

Uncrowned

Malakittens [1]:

jjh927

not voting [1]:

Ydrasse

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VOTE: Ydrasse

[Vivax]

Well, paragon is wrong on me apparently. But Nero fights the idea, which could be relevant.

I mean, I don't doubt many of my reads there are wrong. The point is that I'll be right by the end of the day if you give me time.

I also never actually got paragon. My theory is that people who get paragon don't die on night 1 as much as me so they get to solve more games

Why this ambition to get it all right on D1? Even when you do, most won't be able to take at face value that it was 'it' when new content gets added and distorts perceptions. And there's this assumption that performances have to be constant in a world of waves.

[Klick]

Ircher is now in 'give as little away as possible' stance

[jjh927]

I mean, I want to get as much possible right on day 1 because this is how I can maximise my influence on the game and increase the chances of a town win

It's less important in a large because I'm not so arrogant as to assume I'm just the automatic nightkill, but shit happens for sure when I put in the effort in a mini

[Andresvmb]

s_s, furtive, klick, peta (..?), uncrowned (.....?)

i work with these as main comfy town for now

UNVOTE:

Did you explain why you changed your mind on Uncrowned already? Don’t answer if you have, I’ll find it. Otherwise, want to elaborate?

[Ircher]

I am very surprised by the FoSes on me that agree with my pushes on Ircher and SS. There has to be scum in there.

Why the 1v1 on us? If I were a gambler (which I'm not), I would wager that we're both in fact town.

I like Nero for Town. Which is a good thing because fighting Scum!Nero is a horrible experience.

I agree. Nero is town.

[jjh927]

Could you put into your own words why you think Titus is town, Ircher

[Vivax]

I like Nero for Town. Which is a good thing because fighting Scum!Nero is a horrible experience.

This feels a bit too gullible if they expect Nero to be a challenging scum

[Ircher]

Considering I haven't expressed a town read (or a scum read) there, no.

[furtiveglance]

I mean, I want to get as much possible right on day 1 because this is how I can maximise my influence on the game and increase the chances of a town win

It's less important in a large because I'm not so arrogant as to assume I'm just the automatic nightkill, but shit happens for sure when I put in the effort in a mini

Don't get too comfortable, I pencilled you in already