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Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:52 am**

I don't feel there is enough to warrant anything more than an

FoS

on Nat, simply because of the fact that it was most likely newbish mistakes and I would like to see how Nat portrays the role. If Nat doesn't have seemed to have read the whole thread, then mabye holes can be picked in his arguments through what Zac has said. Not entirely sure about that front.

In the meantime, I am still confident that CML is our best lead, and I would also like to ask the people who have kept their vote on ABR:

Zakeri wrote: even though no one actually thinks he's scum.

Those who haven't necesserily pushed the vote, but have kept it there. Do you still feel ABR is scum? That there is something that we have missed? Or do you just feel unvoting him isn't going to achieve anything at this point in time.

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:39 pm**

Cludsy wrote:then mabye holes can be picked in his arguments through what Zac has said.

I think the real problem is what he didn't say. As you say, he was likely just being a newb, though.

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:06 pm**

Elias_the_thief wrote:

Vote Count Number Twelve: "Words Cannot Express the Awesome" votecount

CallMeLiam - 7
(
Albert B. Rampage, Cavebear with a toothache, wolframnhart, armlx, Cludsy, Empking, Zakeri
)

Albert B. Rampage - 5
(
DynamoXI, Natirasha, Grimmy, MBPikamon, TonyMontana

TonyMontana - 2
(
iamausername, Cephrir
)

Natirasha - 1
(
christiano drago
)

kloud1516 - 1
(
MrBuddyLee
)

MBPikamon - 0
( )

Zakeri - 0

armlx - 0

iamausername - 0

wolframnhart - 0

Jebus - 0

Empking - 0

Cludsy - 0

Grimmy - 0
Yosarian2 - 0
Cephrir - 0
DynamoXI - 0
GhostWriter - 0
MrBuddyLee - 0
christiano drago - 0
Westbrook_Owns_U - 0
Cavebear with a toothache - 0

With 22 alive, it takes
12
to lynch.

Quoting to save it from the botton of the last page.

Posted: **Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:50 am**

I posted my reasons for voting ABR. They have no changed, so neither has my vote.

Grimmy
still cannot trust abr.

Posted: **Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:46 am**

Your reasoning isn't very good. It's basically LAL.

Posted: **Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:38 am**

After reading the thread(well, up to page 20 at least)...
ABR: Whatever. I am still indifferent to him.
CML: Outside Xtox being the correct lynch for yesterday, there is no way he should have survived yesterday. Unless my memory fails me, he pushed for numerous claims, speculated about a cult, and pushed for an armlx lynch even after the counterclaim.

Unvote, Vote: CallMeLiam

armlx: I'm getting scum vibes from you, but I am unsure why.
Zakeri: I saw something on you, but I forgot it...

Posted: **Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:47 pm**

Rereading the last two or three pages. Will post something shortly.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:26 am**

Who were the last peopple prodded?

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:03 am**

Natirasha wrote:CML: Outside Xtox being the correct lynch for yesterday, there is no way he should have survived yesterday. Unless my memory fails me, he pushed for numerous claims, speculated about a cult, and pushed for an armlx lynch even after the counterclaim.

Unvote, Vote: CallMeLiam

Speculated about a cult where? I asked for claims from ABR for reasons already stated and anyone else I asked to claim (if anyone, I forget who) was probably on their way to the gallows.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:36 am**

I think we need a mass prod. And for everybody to explain why the hell they are not voting TonyMontana, because I don't understand at all.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:18 am**

CallMeLiam wrote:
Natirasha wrote:CML: Outside Xtox being the correct lynch for yesterday, there is no way he should have survived yesterday. Unless my memory fails me, he pushed for numerous claims, speculated about a cult, and pushed for an armlx lynch even after the counterclaim.

Unvote, Vote: CallMeLiam
Speculated about a cult where? I asked for claims from ABR for reasons already stated and anyone else I asked to claim (if anyone, I forget who) was probably on their way to the gallows.

I believe it was page 10ish. I may be wrong though.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:29 am**

iamausername wrote:I think we need a mass prod. And for everybody to explain why the hell they are not voting TonyMontana, because I don't understand at all.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:56 am**

iamausername wrote:I think we need a mass prod. And for everybody to explain why the hell they are not voting TonyMontana, because I don't understand at all.

That was because he seemed to "know" Armlx was town, right?

It's a possible scumtell, sure. There are other possible explinatios for that too, though. In any case, I think that the overall cases on Albert and CallMeLiam are better.

Cephrir wrote: Your reasoning isn't very good. It's basically LAL.

How is LAL not good reasoning? You realize that it's the meta stratagy that has been used by most of the good players on this site for most of the time this site's been in existance, right?

I'm not quite a LAL guy, but I'm a big fan of "lynch almost all liars". If you get caught in a lie, I tend to think you've got to have a REALLY good reason why we should think you're protown in order to live, and Albert really dosn't; the best I could say is that I could imagine him doing it as either town or as scum, and I personally don't think that's enough reason to let someone live after they get caught lying about a counterclaim and about a cop investigation.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:42 am**

Can the Tony Montana voters please explain how a scumbag could possibly know for certain right now that another player is a townie?

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:15 am**

Can the Tony Montana voters please explain how a scumbag could possibly know for certain right now that another player is a townie?

They could assume they were as they aren't scum with them.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:49 am**

unvote

vote: Tony Montana.

The possible scumtell is the best thing we have to go on - in my opinion. Right now I am struggling to find a case that's even remotely water tight.

ABR's behavior is explained by his usual tactics.

The case against CML seems to be getting somewhere but I'm still not entirely convinced by it.

There's a good chance that what we have from Tony was a slip-up from Scum. So for now he's getting my vote... I'm still far from sure though

.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:14 am**

christian drago, can you please answer my question three posts above?

iamausername and Cephrir, same request to both of you please.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:53 am**

CallMeLiam wrote:Speculated about a cult where? I asked for claims from ABR for reasons already stated and anyone else I asked to claim (if anyone, I forget who) was probably on their way to the gallows.

Zakeri wrote:
CallMeLiam wrote:Why did I want to test xtoxm before ABR? Well testing Xtoxm's claim didn't involve lynching a claimed cop. If Armlx was indeed town then we could have piled on X afterwards but as I said at the time I wanted no part in lynching a claimed cop.
Why didn't you want to Lynch a Claimed cop? Especially one that has performed several scummy actions before his sudden claim? It is very beneficial for Scum to claim cop, after all, and it's not like the Cop would come forward just to object to one person's claims like that.

CallMeLiam wrote:Why did I want a claim from ABR? Because his play on day one was highly anti-town and to be honest I wouldn't be too upset lynching a vanilla townie if they're going to play in such a harmful way.
What would you have said/done if he had Claimed another power role?

CallmeLiam wrote:Why was I wanting to vote Zac rather than one of the three people in the cop clusterfuck? Because if a genuine guilty had been recorded, then it was likely the scum would have gone after the cop and if not then we'd have someone caught in a lie.
What exactly is wrong with catching people in a lie?

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:25 pm**

Looking into replacing Westbrook_Owns_You. I will be prodding everyone except for those who have posted in the last page. People I am not prodding are (pardon my abbreviations): MBL, Yos, Username, Kloud, Natirashi, Cludsy, Cephrir, Grimmy, Empking, Callmeliam, Armlx, Christiano, and Zakeri. Everyone else will receive a prod.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:34 pm**

No need to prod me, i am here.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:03 pm**

MrBuddyLee wrote:Can the Tony Montana voters please explain how a scumbag could possibly know for certain right now that another player is a townie?

christiano drago wrote:There's a good chance that what we have from Tony was a slip-up from Scum. So for now he's getting my vote... I'm still far from sure though .

I don't know for sure, MBL. Hence wy I said I was still far from sure.

My vote might be swayed by something that - further down the line - catches my eye. However, as of right now, Tony looks to have quite possible slipped up.

Also - maybe he didn't need to know he was a townie as much as he just knew he wasn't scum. Why is it you're fighting TM's corner for him?

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:18 pm**

TonyMontana wrote:If xtoxm really is a cop, and he really got a guilty armlx, he's insane at best. In which case, he would still be our best lynch.

Taking a look back at the quote a couple people believe is the damning evidence on Tony it does seem like a major slip up. Why would Tony believe xtoxm to be insane at best if he got a guilty on Armlx? That doesn't add up to me.

Tony, if you haven't already explained why you said this, I would like an explanation. Why would xtoxm have to have been insane to get a guilty result on Armlx?

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:47 pm**

vote: TonyMontana

The initial post provided by TM does indeed appear to be a slip, and this notion is too compelling to simply ignore. I may not be able to trust ABR, but at the moment I feel that this post, in addition to the fact that TM never actually explained his reasoning for the statement, is the most viable case at the present time.

If Tony is lynched and flips scum, I would like to point out this post for future reference:

Zakeri wrote:Right now, Scummy people are You, for Zac's newbie mistakes, CallMeLiam for trying to jump on Zac's newbie mistakes in the face of resolving the Cop Claim Jambalaya, and Kloud and
TonyMontana for both attempting to policy lynch Mr. Rampage even though no one actually thinks he's scum.
so far, we've gotten most of the way through Kloud, and we're still looking at CallMeLiam who is posting very slowly. Tony Montana however seems to be trapped in circular logic, so we can't really make progress with him.

Cut by CD: I didn't think of it that way, especially since Light was the one who was actively keeping watch on Zac without actually coming off as scummy.

At this point, the smallest factor of people suspecting Tony was for him attempting to policy lynch, for IAUN (and possibly others as well, I am not certain) had already brought up TM's post and were inquiring about it. I realize that Zakeri could have not noticed the earlier responses from players, but the fact that she did not even mention the primary reason for suspecting TM doesn't sit well with me.

Back on the subject of finding players suspicious for advocating a policy lynch:

@Zakeri:

I hope this (advocating a policy lynch on ABR) isn't the main reason for you having labeled me as one of the "scummy people." If this is the case, then shouldn't you be listing every other person that has/had a vote on ABR that placed it for similar reasons?

Moving on.

christiano drago wrote:
Natirasha wrote:Hi all. I'm replacing Zac apparently. Can anyone please repost any outstanding comments/questions about him and I will attempt to answer them the best I can.

Also, a summary of what has happened so far would be nice.
TBH he'd earned my vote by being the only person to have crossed Forbiddanlight before FL turned up riddled with holes. It was low key enough to go under the radar but significant enough to stick in my mind.

Be wary of such logic, as while this could possibly be a link between FL and Zac, it also tends to stray into WIFOM territory at times.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:49 pm**

@Zakeri: I hope this (advocating a policy lynch on ABR) isn't the main reason for you having labeled me as one of the "scummy people." If this is the case, then shouldn't you be listing every other person that has/had a vote on ABR that placed it for similar reasons?

Yes, you're right, I should.

People should not vote for people without sufficient reasoning for believing they are scum, and anyone who provides "Policy lynching for anti-town behavior" as sufficient reasoning is lying to themselves. It applies in a lot of cases, but this is not one of them.

Likewise, I'm not going forward with a policy lynch on you for using faulty reasoning, which is why I'm focusing more on CallMeLiam right now.

Posted: **Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:30 pm**

kloud1516 wrote:If Tony is lynched and flips scum[...]

I won't flip scum, and I will never be lynched

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