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Tl;dr, I don't even know why I am continuing to post in this game, and NACHO NEEDS MORE VOTES ON HIM, LIKE NOW. I'd hate to wait till deadline again for no reason. I want everyone in their next post to unvote whoever they are voting and vote NACHO and I am impatient as fuck about this.

, please, please vote Nacho when you next show up. You post like once every day and I am really getting impatient that each day you talk about how you might vote but not actually doing it. Like an actual vote for Nacho would be super awesome right now.

, I am not scum here. You are wrong about me. Even if you don't want to believe I am town, help me "bus" Nacho then at worst, and work with me to lynch him at best.

And before Beli claims that I am scum for trying to lynch multiple people in succession, there are four scum, and I just changed my mind on Cephrir in a pretty huge way.

In post 7741, CarbonFiber wrote:You are seeing what you want to see. FoxHound are attacking me as well but that's okay because they are a townread and I am a scumread. They are also resorting to malicious emotional manipulation which isn't worthy of comment but me calling Ceph an idiot is. Why not just vote me and get it over with?

I forgot to respond to his before. I'm not scum reading you.

Also, I have more posts than AP now (inb4 anyone points that out), everything I'm doing has the intention to moving town towards a specific goal as opposed to AP's junk posts so yeah, I still hold that he is spamming the thread. Also most of my posts are very recent ones when I just gave up on trying to control the noise.

Also, Nacho needs more votes.

I am going to check out of this game for a while. Lynch Nacho by the time I get back.

In post 7641, The Fox and the Hound wrote:Okay, nope, looks like I have to just lay out my theory and hope someone pays attention.

I think there must be something to Tammy's concern that scum can end the game. I think the scumteam is CF, magenta, PA, and someone else. That's the only way CF could be pushing us the way he has today-- he isn't worried about blowback tomorrow because there won't be a tomorrow, and we're being pushed over the much easier lynch of magenta because magenta is scum. PA probably gave Tammy some kind of delayed death, like a poisoner or something. I can't come up with another way CF would do something this ridiculous as scum, so that's what I'm going with.

Anyone not concerned with how this day has developed needs to reexamine their thought process. Most notably 7640, which reads like a fucking quickhammer opening and probably is? Please help.

This is along the lines of what I was worried about. Did I already respond to this? I feel like I'm getting delirious by this point and need to go sleep, but this is what's I'm worried about and thinking that lynching me would be beneficial for town.

The only suspicion I've taken as personal attack was yours, because it was one (and continues to be, you're still doing it...)

I want to vote Nacho but I wish someone other than you was telling me to do it. I guess bussing happens.
I feel bad ignoring DV but he's not been very communicative lately :S

DV, if you see this remind me to chat with you about something role related and why it makes me feel like the below is something we just have to do at this point
VOTE: nacho

p-edit: tammy we are not lynching you, lynching scum would solve the problem so we should just do that instead

In post 7780, The Fox and the Hound wrote:The only suspicion I've taken as personal attack was yours, because it was one (and continues to be, you're still doing it...)

I want to vote Nacho but I wish someone other than you was telling me to do it. I guess bussing happens.
I feel bad ignoring DV but he's not been very communicative lately :S

DV, if you see this remind me to chat with you about something role related and why it makes me feel like the below is something we just have to do at this point
VOTE: nacho

p-edit: tammy we are not lynching you, lynching scum would solve the problem so we should just do that instead

I at least haven't descended to your level of emotional blackmail combo with playing the victim and personal attacks at the side. Please stop doing it.

Yeah, continue to believe I am bussing, I could give a crap. I guess that's the best I can expect from you.

^still more personal attacks

are you even capable of stopping

There were no personal attacks in the post above, just a description of what you were doing this game and I am asking you nicely to stop. I feel like you are trolling me at this point.

I at least haven't descended to your level

I guess that's the best I can expect from you.

can you even hear yourself

whatever though i'm leaving have fun kids

In post 7745, The Fox and the Hound wrote:You'll be hard pressed to find me reacting this way as any alignment, because rarely have I been harassed quite this effectively.

It's not fucking malicious, it's an honest reaction to what basically amounts to bullying

It is a description of what you are doing and I am asking you to stop. I don't get what your problem is. It feels like you are prolonging conflict for the sake of it.

In post 7717, The Fox and the Hound wrote:If it gets closer to deadline and a CF lynch is obviously not happening then I'll settle for some other not-us lynch (Ceph can choose if this ends up being the case as I've probably embarrassed him enough with my antics), but I can dream.

What are your reads? And how do you feel about AP/JSU/Nacho?

If you want to survive, those are the alternatives I'm willing to offer you.

In post 7719, Titan wrote:oh we still haven't lynched a scum

Yeah, I blame myself. Unless AP/JSU are scum. In which case, I'm not taking any of it.

In post 7721, CarbonFiber wrote:Actually AP doesn't. Check out his chainsaw in 7663.

I'd hardly consider that a chainsaw. And in his previous post, he was stating Fox as one of seven scum candidates and that he doesn't actually remember what that slot's done.

In post 7721, CarbonFiber wrote:Then do it. It'll feel awesome when we force through a scum lynch. Then I'll help you lynch Nacho. By then, people will wake up and see AP as scum so we'll lynch him too. Then we'll find the final scum.

From my point of view, there's zero reasoning telling me I should let AP live today, and conversely, reasoning that tells me he needs to die. However, I acknowledge that my vote isn't doing anything and will be voting at the end of my post.

In post 7734, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 7732, CarbonFiber wrote:Who?

magenta!

The same person who you tried to feel-good lynch at the end of Day 1?

In post 7737, Nachomamma8 wrote:i don't think ap is scum

In the small sliver of a chance that you're town (it's very minor and <.001%), you should realize that there is very good reasoning for calling for his lynch and nothing that says he should live.

What we know:
1) Katsuki claimed town delayer
2) Katsuki claimed to have delayed AP
3) AP claimed a night action that succeeded and wasn't delayed
4) Beliffery (who was confirmed town by AP) and I (RG) claimed to have been roleblocked and share similar sentiments of how we're aware of it
5) Katsuki doesn't acknowledge anything to make him believe he was roleblocked and actually believed his role was guaranteed to have succeeded

I know for a fact that Katsuki's role didn't redirect to me. And the only reason we're even in this position we're in is because of JSU (who isn't confirmed by any means and who I actually think is probably scum). AP's defense thus far has been 'I don't know why Katsuki would lie,' which is an extremely flimsy defense in and of itself. And unless you think there's a role that interfered with Katsuki's night action to explain the discrepancy, you should feel inclined to agree with me.

In post 7743, Just Sheep Us wrote:I love how scum are winning this by doing absolutely nothing, because town refuses to work together.

I love how I am the one saying this, despite being one of the most frustrating people to work with.

I love how I've been trying to get everyone to work together, but F-16 and AP are too busy having a pissing contest to lynch their mutual scumreads.

I love how Nacho has done nothing but derail every move I've tried to make this game.

And can we go back to how much I love that the scum team is winning this by doing absolutely nothing.

Fox and Hound
Magenta
RG
Penguin

The order isn't relevant, we just have to agree on one of them.

From what I've read, you have zero paranoia about the people in your neighborhood. Your scumteam is a collection of players with little/low activity. You've spent a considerable deal defending AP since his entrance into this game (and from what I remember, you consider yourself/AP a pretty formidable force when the two of you roll scum together) for an entrance that really shouldn't have been townread. And your first and only chance to use your role thus far has been to clear AP (the same slot you've been defending all game) just because you didn't want to hear about it anymore rather than try and use your 'investigative role' to try and find scum. Your investigative action also came as a direct response towards Katsuki's CC (which I'm leaning both ways on whether this is scummy/townish).

You're not even pretending to consider that AP could just be a godfather or that just maybe, he needs to die because he's probably just scum.

It feels like you've been attempting to manipulate this playerlist, not solve the game.

In post 7770, CarbonFiber wrote:I'll have to double check the game where Bulbazak was pushing a lynch on him and most people were like "there is no way Ceph can do that as scum" but he was scum with Ceph in a different game and knew he could do anything so continued pushing the lynch to make sure what Cephrir is capable of. But I'll add him to the town pile with Titan, JSU, and Stalin (and conditionally Peregrine if he vigs a second player to prove that he is not a scum 1X vig).

That leaves AP, Nacho, Penguin, Magenta, and maybe RG who I am reading as town. I think the first four are a good bet for the scumteam.

Nacho could be bussing Orc. AP/Nacho makes a ton of sense. Penguin brushing aside her Nacho read makes sense from scum-Penguin, and Magenta's lack of paranoia over Nacho again makes sense from scumMara.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Pedit: I haven't been fucking antagonizing you. I'm responding to your endless crap and bullshit that you've pulled this game.

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In post 7774, CarbonFiber wrote:Between AP and Fox, I've had it with this game. I don't feel like playing anymore and trying to get the town to fight through the apathy. Brian is right that if we continue to ignore how AP pushed Katsuki and townread him based off of a supposed "clear" without taking into consideration that Mastin called him scum, and that Katsuki caught him, and that his behavior has been scummy as all fuck, then town probably deserves to lose. I don't want to lose since I think at least some players have put in enough time and effort but I have no intention of forcing the town to win.

I think the important thing to realize here is that AP is probably scum and there's no logical indication of why we should be letting him live (JSU doesn't qualify).

If people think otherwise, they haven't told me why.



Still adamantly want to lynch AP right now, and this is the discussion I want.

gods i love this game

In post 7774, CarbonFiber wrote:And there is AP. Spamming and manipulating every step of the way.

Where has AP been manipulative?

In post 7778, CarbonFiber wrote:Lynch Nacho by the time I get back.

I'm back and he is not dead yet.

*disappointed*

In post 7780, The Fox and the Hound wrote:I want to vote Nacho but I wish someone other than you was telling me to do it. I guess bussing happens.

In post 7787, Red Gyarados wrote:5) Katsuki doesn't acknowledge anything to make him believe he was roleblocked and actually believed his role was guaranteed to have succeeded

Katsuki fullclaimed when he was going down.
Nowhere did he say "I know I was roleblocked". In fact, he did say a couple of times near the end of the day that he might have been roleblocked.

In post 7792, Titan wrote:UNVOTE:

*more disappointment*

Not you too, Tammy!

Never mind.

the dizziness is turning into delirium. i don't know what i'm doing anymore.

i should probably just go to sleep.

Please do go to sleep and refresh yourself. I'll have our first scum lynch ready for you by the time you return.

Bump?