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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:26 am
by Titus
So maybe I would execute Math in the event of a suicide. I dunno.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:29 am
by Titus
I kinda hope a suicide just decides the game. Then I get to be right and win.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:31 am
by Nero Cain
im not sure if town will die tonight b/c if we are right that shelly/tpg is a town it seems like the scum need to keep them alive so they can have mislynch bait. ditto bell and even if they shoot @ norway to remove his vest he still doesn't die.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:32 am
by Titus
In post 7777, Nero Cain wrote:im not sure if town will die tonight b/c if we are right that shelly/tpg is a town it seems like the scum need to keep them alive so they can have mislynch bait. ditto bell and even if they shoot @ norway to remove his vest he still doesn't die.
Nero. I think it's obvious by now we don't have a misexecute left.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:33 am
by Titus
If scum shoots the vest, we revoke the suicide request to Shelly and execute Math because we'd have the misexecute to spare.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:34 am
by Titus
I think that math holds.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:38 am
by Titus
Of course, that's totally townsiding and gives us a good chance of losing.

So I think the play is Math has to save in shelly/TGP. Bell has to shoot in there. If Math is correct, we execute Bell as we'd have the misexecute for Math after.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:40 am
by Nero Cain
its currently 2 vs. 2 vs. 3 vs 4 unless you buy the Math claim and its 2/2/3/3/1 wich I obv don't

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:41 am
by Nero Cain
inb4 math shoots @ norway and claims that its proof he's a doc

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:43 am
by Titus
So let me type this out.

Hood neighborizes Shelly or TGP, if they don't die, move to step 2.

Execute Bell, then Math as Math proved he's a doctor or GG for him anyway if he no kills.

If we neighborize shelly or TGP and the other dies, we encourage a suicide, which verifies Math's 3p claim.

If we neighborize and the target dies, then we argue math v bell.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:43 am
by Nero Cain
It's practically 9 1/2 vs. 2 scum. We have the numbers to just bulldoze our way through all of chemist/math/bell

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:44 am
by Titus
In post 7783, Nero Cain wrote:inb4 math shoots @ norway and claims that its proof he's a doc
Then he loses anyway even if we execute Bell first. The only thing that happens is we get screwed if wrong.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:45 am
by Titus
In post 7785, Nero Cain wrote:It's practically 9 1/2 vs. 2 scum. We have the numbers to just bulldoze our way through all of chemist/math/bell
Nero, we don't count for parity. It's in our role pm.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:46 am
by Nero Cain
i know

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:46 am
by Titus
In post 7784, Titus wrote:So let me type this out.

Hood neighborizes Shelly or TGP, if they don't die, move to step 2.

Execute Bell, then Math as Math proved he's a doctor or GG for him anyway if he no kills.

If we neighborize shelly or TGP and the other dies, we encourage a suicide, which verifies Math's 3p claim.

If we neighborize and the target dies, then we argue math v bell.
This is objectively the best plan and satisifies everyone mostly.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:47 am
by Titus
In post 7788, Nero Cain wrote:i know
It's like 6 alive, 2 scum right now. The neutrals are just extra votes. We don't count for when endgame happens.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:48 am
by Bell
Are you sure that's objectively the best plan.
It involves executing town Bell.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:49 am
by Titus
In post 7791, Bell wrote:Are you sure that's objectively the best plan.
It involves executing town Bell.
Town bell still wins in scenario 1 because scum Math gets executed right after.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:50 am
by Bell
Did chemist say they would explode?

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:50 am
by Nero Cain
Bell, do you understand that the last scum is between you and math? and that if you die you'll still complete your wincon and prove that math is the last scum?

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:50 am
by Titus
The only thing that happens in scenario 1 is that if wrong on Math/Bell, society loses.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:51 am
by Nero Cain
personally, I rather add Bell and have him blow up but he's being incredibly hard-headed.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:53 am
by Titus
In post 7796, Nero Cain wrote:personally, I rather add Bell and have him blow up but he's being incredibly hard-headed.
Probably bc he's scum but I think my plan works unless we neighborize the dead guy.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:54 am
by Bell
Iunno, I'm not being very hard headed from my POV. I'm genuinely saying I'm town here. I don't think it's in either of our interests for me to actually xplode instead of just taking myself off the chopping block by convincing you that this is the case.

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:54 am
by Bell
Have you ever had someone be this insistent about being town and ending up flipping scum before?