Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 3:18 pm
Eyes on this page is reminding me of something I've seen scum!Norwe do before. Eyes here:
In the context here Norwe was put at (fake) e-1 intentionally by a townie (theworst) as a reaction test, and I reacted to it way more than Norwe did.
Eyes doesn't seem to be either warm or emotionally unreactive naturally by temperament, more examples: 486, 2421, 6336
A part of this theory is that you would expect scum!Eyes to have a preferred style of scum play (lurking, low effort) because of the Withdrawal aspect of neuroticism, which does seem to be how Eyes behaves. Eyes' iso lines up with the way you would expect a lurking low effort scum player to approach the game.
To play Devil's Advocate I did spot this in Eye's iso:
I'm only arguing that I think it's in 7811 does it become a scum tell.
My theory is that town!Eyes feels pressure to execute their townplay better because of the status that comes with their role, and I think Eyes in 7811 isn't like calibrated to that at all, this Eyes is more concerned with appearing to be able to regulate their emotions well.
If my theory here is correct then this is also a non-associative tell with Dease, because Eyes is trying to appear skilled at regulating their emotions in an attempt to pocket Dease. Town!Eyes would write a different version of 7811 where they appear more stressed because they're in their head about whether they played their role correctly and let the town down or something.
In post 7809, Eyes without a face wrote:Would it make the game status better if I went berserk? Is there anything I can say or do that would make my claim more believable to you/anyone else? I guess we both know the answer to these two questions so what's the point?In post 7808, DeasVail wrote:Eyes, it’s interesting to me that you haven’t responded to people clearly doubting your claim. You’ve had a lot to say about a lot of things, and based on your play here I would have expected you to be more outraged that your claim isn’t believed
Now if you have some specific questions I'd be happy to answer them, but outraged I am not going to act.
Trying to present as more calm by temperament than they clearly are. I think it's because scum are trying to appear higher status so they don't get limmed, and/or to pocket, because we perceive people who are less emotionally reactive as being higher status. I remember scum!Norwe saying a similar line to me in this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=88804In post 7818, Eyes without a face wrote:What does this have to do with my question? And then people complain I am not participating enough! Sheesh!In post 7816, MathBlade wrote:I don’t remember I am too lazy and feeling sick and you’re probably scum so??In post 7807, Eyes without a face wrote:@Math: You do realize that you have been shielding Frog for as long as you have been playing in this game, right? May I request you remind us of HEM's read on Frog in the masons thread?
In the context here Norwe was put at (fake) e-1 intentionally by a townie (theworst) as a reaction test, and I reacted to it way more than Norwe did.
In , NorwegianboyEE wrote:Um ok, don't see why vibing with reads would be important.
@Frog I find your reaction a bit odd, why did you act like Worst was suicidal scum or something.
In this case it actually worked, I got pocketed by scum!Norwe shortly after we interacted here.In, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm trying to be more relaxed while playing mafia games so if i start screaming and being unpleasant i will take breaks.
Eyes doesn't seem to be either warm or emotionally unreactive naturally by temperament, more examples: 486, 2421, 6336
A part of this theory is that you would expect scum!Eyes to have a preferred style of scum play (lurking, low effort) because of the Withdrawal aspect of neuroticism, which does seem to be how Eyes behaves. Eyes' iso lines up with the way you would expect a lurking low effort scum player to approach the game.
To play Devil's Advocate I did spot this in Eye's iso:
I think some players put more pressure on themselves when they roll TPR and it ends up making their play worse (I do this.) I remember in another game too with Dragons here, they got mislimmed really quickly on D1 as like a Tracker or something, and Dragons was agitated moreso by the early BW than I saw them get as both town OR scum. I can relate to wanting to get the reports out before you die and feeling pressure to choose between whether towntelling/not towntelling will cause you to have to out/die sooner. So I don't think it makes sense to say Eyes is scum because they seem defensive or easily annoyed and claim that they aren't, in fact I think anything unusual about Eyes' behavior here could be explained by receiving a TPR and adjusting the expectations they put on their play based on that.In post 7133, Eyes without a face wrote:Because I wasIn post 7127, MathBlade wrote:Interesting why the immediate claim Eyes?4-shotand I couldn't believe I lived long enough to use all my shots and without even having to claim earlier. I am happy to get it all off my chest and besides you said we only have one mislim at hand so I wanted you to have all possible resources/info before you
I'm only arguing that I think it's in 7811 does it become a scum tell.
My theory is that town!Eyes feels pressure to execute their townplay better because of the status that comes with their role, and I think Eyes in 7811 isn't like calibrated to that at all, this Eyes is more concerned with appearing to be able to regulate their emotions well.
If my theory here is correct then this is also a non-associative tell with Dease, because Eyes is trying to appear skilled at regulating their emotions in an attempt to pocket Dease. Town!Eyes would write a different version of 7811 where they appear more stressed because they're in their head about whether they played their role correctly and let the town down or something.
