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In post 7345, petapan wrote:i'm isoing spiffeh and the continued insistence on wanting to come to this thread i can't help but read town. the rest is thoroughly mediocre though

In post 7346, petapan wrote:even my minimalism loving self cant townread someone who halfheartedly farts out empty reads and does nothing with them

In post 7348, petapan wrote:eh 1744 reads town but not impossible to fake

In post 7349, petapan wrote:

In post 1894, Spiffeh wrote:If I feel like efforting tomorrow I'll try to ISO my null reads and try to feel some type of way about them

this is much like something you said with your reads yesterday and i really don't love it

while i've certainly promised to do things later as town and had trouble delivering i think it's much easier to fall into the trap of promising to deliver content later as scum and then not actually following through because it's harder to get the engine running but talking about how you're going to do something makes people want to give you time and often don't follow up. i realize at the point in time this was said the game was going a mile a minute but in general i think continually making statements about how you're going to put in work and not actually doing so are scummy

In post 7350, petapan wrote:

In post 7347, Spiffeh wrote:

In post 7345, petapan wrote:thoroughly mediocre

perfect description of my town game I'm glad you've finally come around!

this is why i keep asking you stuff, trying to figure out how you think about things because i don't -really- have experience with you. so i have to consider whether this is simply a matter of playstyles clashing as the self-deprecating wounded pride stuff seems real enough to me, but every time you get pushed on things i feel you never really open up and understanding you is completely impossible for me

In post 7353, petapan wrote:what i'm seeing in this iso is that you'll make some reads, give a little bit of backing to them, but you look like you've been afraid to really push on anything, you joined the push on shelly after there was momentum on her and helped bury her, opened day 2 voting almost50 but doesn't feel like a vote with conviction, it's stuff like "bad iso with words without meaning", it's how i would talk as scum if i was trying to get a lurker chopped, and to an extent it feels like you're throwing that out there without really making an effort to be persuasive, it's just a thing that you're doing. when i ripped skitter i was similarly annoyed with her throwing out votes i felt were halfhearted but it felt consistent with a townie who has little conviction in their reads and i've played with her some so it felt in character. this feels like a read you claim to have conviction in but don't really assert much and it feels incongruous

In post 7354, petapan wrote:

In post 3154, Spiffeh wrote:Specifically his posts after acknowledging shelly's claim feel like he's coaxing the wagon along without having to commit any feelings toward it

In post 3155, Spiffeh wrote:

In post 2813, Almost50 wrote:OK, so let me ask the more experienced mods amongst you about this:

Cop/Tracker/Follower/Watcher/Voyeur/Motion Detector

How many of those would you include in a game like this?

Like this is a completely useless thing to ask because we don't know anything about the make-up of the scum team so it's fruitless to try and outguess what info roles town would have

this, in particular, is interesting to me because knowing what we now know, it doesn't feel like at all a fair justification for a scumread - i think this is exactly how a town-aligned tracker would respond to a claim like shelly's, with a role that not only is seemingly redundant to theirs but mimics its function exactly. i think it fits in with his play so far of trying to stay low key.

In post 7359, petapan wrote:but the thing about trying to ding a50 for his response to the claim is, well, look at spiffeh's trajectory there:

314 - early town read on shelly
392 - "I don't really get why shelly is being scum read" "posting was very stream-of-conscious which I think is hard for newer players to fake as scum"
464 - cites a string of posts as stream of cosnciousness
466 - wouldn't said shelly to the other thread if the plan is to turnstile scummy players
467 - attacks muffin for shading his read on shelly
473 - criticizes bell for not giving a reason why he's confident on shelly being scum
485 - "shelly could very well be scum, I just don't feel that way and apparently a lot of people disagree"
557 - asks shelly to explain her brian skies scum read
612 - says shelly is too low in unwnd's readslist
1021 - "shelly just isn't DOIN IT for me" (in the context of who he should vote)
1271 - votes shelly, "I know I said I was townreading her earlier get over it"
1479 - gives a poe of {Pooky, Almost50, pisskop, shellyc, Hench Princesses}
1894 - reads list with shelly as a scum lean, "I initially town read shellyc but p. much all my town reads are scum reading her and her naked vote on Pooky without even acknowledging her previous certainty that Bell was scum doesn't make any sense"
1980 - "I think it's possible she realized her Bell push was being met with a lot of resistance and scum reads so she's lurking it out"
2545 - "I think shelly's probably telling the truth about her role, but that doesn't really mean anything one way or the other in terms of her alignment"
2653 - "She could literally be telling the complete truth about her role and still be scum"
2725 - "The longer shelly remains absent after her claim the more I want her to die"
2764 - "I'm fine with limming any of {shellyc, Almost50, Gypyx} today, in that order with strong preference to shellyc"

This, to me, is exactly what i would describe as someone looking to "coax the wagon along without having to commit any feelings toward it". sure he names her as a scum read, but there's not really a lot of substance to it, just saying he's following his townreads, then accusing her of lurking out and casting doubt on her claim when people were considering not eliminating her. i think him trying to put blame on a50 for his approach to the wgon when he behaved this way is hugely scummy.