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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:45 am

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i can't find a vote count where you were higher than two. do you have a page number i can refer to?
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:57 pm

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I'll
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in deference to Xtomx. I figured given I'm not confirmed, it's safer for you if my vote is out in the open, but I guess needing 3 votes makes it a bit safer.

DJ - what did you think of my conclusion?
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:47 pm

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DJ wrote:so its my timing that's questionable. funny.
Thats exactly what i am saying. The only time i have actually played a pretty long game as scum, i always waited for other people to point things out and stuff like that. I always reacted town like, but it was delayed. Quite similar to the way you have acted..
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:03 pm

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afatchic wrote:
DJ wrote:so its my timing that's questionable. funny.
Thats exactly what i am saying. The only time i have actually played a pretty long game as scum, i always waited for other people to point things out and stuff like that. I always reacted town like, but it was delayed. Quite similar to the way you have acted..
yes, which is similar to the way you have acted. did you miss my point, or are you purposefully ignoring it?

further: please provide some hard evidence. i can't find a vote count where you had more than two votes and i don't recall there ever being much pressure on you.

SC: frankly, my feelings were hurt more than anything. i am glad you agree with me because i am becoming more and more solid on AFC being scum and not you. i do wish you had more than what seems to boil down to gut and "well, you were lurking." AFC's scumminess is shining through on reread for me so i am not sure what else to do. his last post here completely snips my quote and takes it out of context. perhaps i should have used sarcasm tags there, but i don't see how he can accuse me of "scummy" timing when he just did the same thing himself in regards to a point i brought up to you. he is defending himself with meta now, but the meta he is using is completely different from the meta he claimed earlier which he asked for me to confirm. the feigned indifference is a scum-tell. scum is way more likely to play that card in lylo than town. especially when they know they're most likely beat.
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:24 am

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I've seen enough.

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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:38 am

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figures. sorry guys. any actual reasoning here?
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:47 am

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Are you actually suggesting that i've voted without putting any thought into the matter?

Apathy won't help your case.
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:58 am

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Xtoxm wrote:Are you actually suggesting that i've voted without putting any thought into the matter?

Apathy won't help your case.
no. i assume you have read the thread and thought on the matter. no apathy here. i don't want to lose. you've posted no reasoning for your vote. if your mind is made up then we either lynch me or no lynch. i would rather lynch AFC. i think he is scum. so... do you care to post your reasoning or would you rather discuss it after the game is over?
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:11 am

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The key objective reasons for my vote on you are:
  • SL appeared to
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  • Your belief of the Traitor role does not fit with there being only one other mafiate.
  • You unvote Duck on Day 3, speculating that there may be 2 remaining mafiates. You acknowledge that AFC/SC is not a feasible scumpair. This is contradictory with unvoting, as you would know for certain Duck was scum.
On the whole, AFC looks a lot more pro-town than you. The only point being driven against AFC is his lack of effort, which is not a scumtell.
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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:22 am

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Xtoxm wrote:The key objective reasons for my vote on you are:
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^^ only makes sense if she thought she'd flip early on like she did. like i said: she was pushing for a lynch, you are, by definition i believe, calling this an epic bus, which in turn does not fit your belief that i am her partner.
xtox wrote:[*]Your belief of the Traitor role does not fit with there being only one other mafiate.
how so? SC posted almost the same exact opinion?
xtoxm wrote:[*]You unvote Duck on Day 3, speculating that there may be 2 remaining mafiates. You acknowledge that AFC/SC is not a feasible scumpair. This is contradictory with unvoting, as you would know for certain Duck was scum.[/list]
pro-town moves. you are taking the unvote out of context. i acknowledged that i thought duck to be scum. i also helped narrow down the suspects.
xtox wrote: On the whole, AFC looks a lot more pro-town than you. The only point being driven against AFC is his lack of effort, which is not a scumtell.
are you ignoring my recent posts? its not a lack of effort, combine the lack of effort now with his earlier play. stark contrast. you commented on my apathy, but not on his. why?
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:39 am

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yeah, sorry. sometimes when i read my posts i realize why people see me as scummy.

vote: no lynch


without xtox i see this as the only viable option to harbor a chance at a town win.

x: please reconsider. i engaged every argument tossed my way on day 1 which is what a good vanilla townie does. i'm not going to claim a meta argument, but other than my playstyle, i don't see how you can read me as scum. i "thought" you put some effort into this because i would hope that a good townie would. that said i'll appeal to serial for a no lynch.
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:40 am

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Just read throug hit, I see that DJ jsut posted so I thought I'd post quickly to say I could have hammered but didn't. I'm drunk atm, so will re-read when sober.

Xtomx are you at a point where you would like me to hammer?
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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:43 am

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DJ - while i"m sleeping this off more, talk me through why you're offended at my reasoning. Also, what do you hope ot accomplish via a nolynch? We now have 2 confirmed town, are you doing it to break a deadlock?
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:44 am

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please make up your own mind here. if you haven't completely read through, then do so. scumdj is seriously convoluted.
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:47 am

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CANNOT! Drunk. But even drunk that didn't answer the questions.
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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:48 am

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Yes, I think so. When I placed my vote, I was pretty much at the point where my decision was non negotiable; his reactions and interactions with other players look very incriminating.

What are your thoughts?
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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:52 am

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All he's doing here is appealing to emotion, he's not doing anything to actually exlain why he's town...Obviously it gives me doubts, i'm just susceptible to that kind of thing.
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:56 am

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I
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:02 am

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Xtoxm wrote:All he's doing here is appealing to emotion, he's not doing anything to actually exlain why he's town...Obviously it gives me doubts, i'm just susceptible to that kind of thing.
please explain how this is different from what AFC is doing. we have differing "interpretations" of my actions. you have yet to explain scumspring's motivation for an epic bus when, for all intents and purposes, she had the role of town mason. a role which is virtually confirmable in thread. of what purpose would "bussing" serve? does that outwiegh the benefit to her as "mason traitor" that such an action could hypothetically bestow?

further, i already pointed out yesterday where i brought up the fact that AFC and Serial cannot be scum together. is it wifomic? of course, but would it "benefit" me as scum as opposed to "letting it slide" for someone else to notice?
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:04 am

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ebwop: sorry if first paragraph doesn't make much sense. to clarify, had spring hypothetically lynched scumdj on day 1, what purpose would it serve for her as scum? (she was already confirmable town by virtue of being a mason.)
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:27 pm

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Xtomx - don't worry about the doubts, there's no question I've got them. So I think I'm going to end the game. The key thing that made me change my mind was your point about DJ knowing that AFC and SC couldn't be scum and then unvoting. Unless he was having doubts about Kai, which was always going to be unlikely, duckduck was always going to be a solid choice from then on. It was a weird unvote and I'm irritated I didn't see it myself.

The second is the sudden and odd appeal to emotion. DJ has portrayed being offended by both AFC and myself for the mere possibility of being wrong about him. This seems to be at odds with how he holds himself in most games and if it's genuine I'm surprised.

The third is this:
AFC's scumminess is shining through on reread for me so i am not sure what else to do.
I've been lynched as town in lylo and it's not a good feeling. I don't know why DJ, who is perfectly capable of writing long and convincing posts, wouldn't write long and convincing posts against AFC. I've never seen evidence that when DJ says he needs to re-read that he's actually re-read and come up with something or clarified his position and it's happened again here.

Fourthly - the only thing I can see a no lynch vote doing is getting Xtomx killed, it's an odd suggestion and runs counter to my initial impulse, to write a convincing case against AFC.

As you say Xtomx, I'd have loved a townie post from AFC and if he wins I'll be frustrated by rewarding his play, but brielfy the head and the gut are agreeing and I can't overlook that.

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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:57 pm

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dammit. sorry guys. i should just let my wife post for me in situations like this. why did you both choose to ignore the points i
did
bring up about AFC's play. also, xtom pointed to my appeal to emotion but utterly failed to point out sc's appeal to authority.

you guys are running a double standard based on the fact that you simply don't like my playstyle.
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:02 pm

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Are you scum?

The anticipation is killing me...

And I assure you, my decision has nothing to with your playstyle. I don't dislike your playstyle.
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:03 pm

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*With disliking your playstyle.

I can't garantee that your playstyle in itself didn't have an effect, but I think my reasons for choosing you were solid.
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