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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:59 am

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I don't see how it is not optimum play. Taking two days to KO one pokémon doesn't sound remotely optimal to me. We're just now getting one down, and the interest level has dropped far too dramatically.

You're twisting my argument to say I'm not following Tajo's plan. I'm proposing a change to it, not saying that we shouldn't follow it.

Honestly, we need more pressure on some people so they actually try to play this game again.
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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:11 pm

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RBT- The entire point of the plan is to kill one person at a time. Town sees the flip and gets to decide on the next lynch with that information in mind.

Scum are then forced to either also agree with the plan or to try and weasel their way out of it and attack outside of it. Which is exactly what I am seeing you do.

I see you as scum who is frustrated that the plan restricts your damage. Tough breaks.


Tajo I would like your opinion on this. Everyone else too.
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:43 pm

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Riceballtail wrote:I don't see how it is not optimum play. Taking two days to KO one pokémon doesn't sound remotely optimal to me. We're just now getting one down, and the interest level has dropped far too dramatically.

You're twisting my argument to say I'm not following Tajo's plan. I'm proposing a change to it, not saying that we shouldn't follow it.

Honestly, we need more pressure on some people so they actually try to play this game again.
Look, Rice, taking two players at a time is a bad decision. Its like having two lynches at the same day.

Simply put, its better to lynch just one player and then analyse ALL the information that the flip can provide. Sometimes, a player flipping scum makes a player look better, or in the other hand, makes him look worse. If we had decided to lynch two players at a time, then we could have lynched someone who could have been cleared with the other flip.

I agree the interest level has dropped but thats not because we are not having enough people killed. Look, Malcolm just flipped townie. Has the activity increased?

I suggest that everyone in his next post should post his top suspect.
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:22 pm

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Tajo, I'm not implying we should KO two people, I'm saying KO one, and get the second a bit weaker so that, if we do think we have a scum connection, that we can benefit from the weakened state. If nobody else thinks this is a good idea, then whatever. I'll follow what we all agree on, I just don't see it helping us scumhunt if we just decide a target and beat on them one-by-one.

My biggest suspect is currently Kiku due to Socio's play.
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:18 pm

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Sajin wrote:RBT- The entire point of the plan is to kill one person at a time. Town sees the flip and gets to decide on the next lynch with that information in mind.

Scum are then forced to either also agree with the plan or to try and weasel their way out of it and attack outside of it. Which is exactly what I am seeing you do.

I see you as scum who is frustrated that the plan restricts your damage. Tough breaks.


Tajo I would like your opinion on this. Everyone else too.
I've found RBT scummy in the past. It's partially receded now that I see RBT arguing points more proactively, but it's still kinda... :? slightly leaning scum
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:42 am

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RBT Rayfrost

The points against RBT have piled up all game, I think we should actually do something about them now, Rayfrost is being super wishy-washy about him as well.

Attack RBT
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:55 am

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Posting in case of possible prod.... kinda sick =/ Hopefully nothing serious.
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:03 pm

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RBT wrote:My biggest suspect is currently Kiku due to Socio's play.
Still? Your case is stale. Have you no knew infromation from the Malcolm wagon?

Confirm Attack: RBT


Feel free to call it omgus, but its not. Your ridiculous refusal to glean info from recent happenings is poor form.
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:43 pm

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kikuchiyo wrote:
RBT wrote:My biggest suspect is currently Kiku due to Socio's play.
Still? Your case is stale. Have you no knew infromation from the Malcolm wagon?

Confirm Attack: RBT


Feel free to call it omgus, but its not. Your ridiculous refusal to glean info from recent happenings is poor form.
Because you are my biggest suspect means I got nothing from Malcom's town flip? I didn't really expect him to flip scum, so no, it didn't change my views very much.
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:59 pm

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Shotty to the Body wrote:RBT Rayfrost

The points against RBT have piled up all game, I think we should actually do something about them now, Rayfrost is being super wishy-washy about him as well.

Attack RBT
How am I being "wishy-washy" about RBT? I've yet to say I find RBT anything other than scummy when asked.

I AM being wishy-washy about brandi. I have changing reads cuz she keeps flipping from leaning one way to leaning the other.
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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:48 pm

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kikuchiyo wrote:
RBT wrote:My biggest suspect is currently Kiku due to Socio's play.
Still? Your case is stale. Have you no knew infromation from the Malcolm wagon?

Confirm Attack: RBT


Feel free to call it omgus, but its not. Your ridiculous refusal to glean info from recent happenings is poor form.
Why are you confirming your attack? Follow the plan. While there is general agreement that RBT is scummy this may or may not be where everyone wants to place their attacks. Just saying.
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:44 pm

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kikuchiyo wrote:
RBT wrote:My biggest suspect is currently Kiku due to Socio's play.
Still? Your case is stale. Have you no knew infromation from the Malcolm wagon?

Confirm Attack: RBT


Feel free to call it omgus, but its not. Your ridiculous refusal to glean info from recent happenings is poor form.
dude, why are you confirming your attacks?
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:46 pm

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Riceballtail wrote:Tajo, I'm not implying we should KO two people, I'm saying KO one, and get the second a bit weaker so that, if we do think we have a scum connection, that we can benefit from the weakened state. If nobody else thinks this is a good idea, then whatever. I'll follow what we all agree on, I just don't see it helping us scumhunt if we just decide a target and beat on them one-by-one.

My biggest suspect is currently Kiku due to Socio's play.
This is still the same. If you KO one person and start weakening a second, you still DONT have the information of the first flip.

The key here is that we are not facing a deadline or scum are going to win if we take days to kill someone. We can have as many attack phases as we decide.
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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:48 pm

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Shotty to the Body wrote:RBT Rayfrost

The points against RBT have piled up all game, I think we should actually do something about them now, Rayfrost is being super wishy-washy about him as well.

Attack RBT
I agree with this post in the RBT part. He has been in my neutral list for a while now. Will reread him to find out if there are any town tells in his play.

I disagree with the RayFrost hate. I have a strong town gut read from him.
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:00 pm

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populartajo wrote:
Riceballtail wrote:Tajo, I'm not implying we should KO two people, I'm saying KO one, and get the second a bit weaker so that, if we do think we have a scum connection, that we can benefit from the weakened state. If nobody else thinks this is a good idea, then whatever. I'll follow what we all agree on, I just don't see it helping us scumhunt if we just decide a target and beat on them one-by-one.

My biggest suspect is currently Kiku due to Socio's play.
This is still the same. If you KO one person and start weakening a second, you still DONT have the information of the first flip.

The key here is that we are not facing a deadline or scum are going to win if we take days to kill someone. We can have as many attack phases as we decide.
Right. I'm so used to scum NK's, I kinda forgot we don't have that time pressure.

Also, since I also see a lot of Ray hate showing up, I'm leaning town for him as well.
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:43 am

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I don't see any reason not to confirm. I realize its quick, but once I make up my mind, its made up. Guess I'm more of a leader than a follower.
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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:38 pm

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joe478 replaces Tzeentch and is now the most awesomest person ever! With that, deadline will be moved to Wednesday at 12:30 PM EST.

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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:40 pm

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RayFrost wrote:
Shotty to the Body wrote:RBT Rayfrost

The points against RBT have piled up all game, I think we should actually do something about them now, Rayfrost is being super wishy-washy about him as well.

Attack RBT
How am I being "wishy-washy" about RBT? I've yet to say I find RBT anything other than scummy when asked.

I AM being wishy-washy about brandi. I have changing reads cuz she keeps flipping from leaning one way to leaning the other.
I'm waiting for this.
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:23 pm

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Can anyone give me a brief overview of what has happened so far?

I will still take some time to read through properly before I post anything proper but it will give me something to start with.
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:52 pm

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Welcome Joe. Finally in a game together.

Overview:

I don't have one. read the thread.
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:16 pm

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Target: Self
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:16 pm

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joe478 wrote:
Target: Self
It's

"Attack: Name"

you can't self-target.
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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:44 am

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I think you can target yourself with abilities, but I hope that's what he means to do and that he's not trying some sort of "self voting" gambit here on page 33.

Welcome to the game. Help us beat the crap out of RBT and you'll get a prize. :)
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:13 pm

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Yes that is what I mean to do but I might attack someone else later.
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:30 pm

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Just realised something, I don't have anything to target myself with except attacks ;)

Cancel attack
Untarget self


Whichever one works.
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