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because I realized it takes 5 to lynch, not 4

inHimshallibe wrote:Jilynne, tell me how to soothe your troubled soul. Recommendation: Be with the lynchings on Toasty.

Something only scum would say.

inHimshallibe...I'm not *that* stupid. Do you mind writing a case on ToastyToast, though? Since I don't see anything scummy about him, just yet.

(I could have possibly missed something, though.)

The case on Toast is a matter of process of elimination. Given the role evidence present, I will risk the game on Sirs V. Piraka, Imaginality, and Jilynne. Using basic assumptions about making rulesets, I feel it is HIGHLY likely there are three Villains still present in this establishment. As such, I can further eliminate myself. What remains is the confidence in my townreads of A. Vox and Hoppster. Aurorus Vox, PhD continues to provide content and analysis, while my read of Sir Hoppster was based on a Day 1 town v. town read between himself and Twistedspoon, Esq.

Out of all my games, the players in this game are the least active. I have no clue what to say to that.

inHimshallibe, if you made one mistake in you're reasoning, ToastyToast might not be scum. I think you're logic is too much of guessing.

The new day seems to be well under way, and there have been some interesting developments. Lord Hur's death is predictable. The friendly neighbor claim from imaginality, confirmed by Jilynne, comes as a surprise to me. After so many non-vanilla roles had been revealed, I did not expect to see any more in game.

ToastyToast [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3120460#p3120460]#792[/url] wrote:@Feysal: can we get an updated version of your suspicions?

Of course.



- Investigated and cleared by Lord Hur. Like imaginality said, it is possible he could be a godfather or Lord Hur could have been insane, indeed I recall Lord Hur himself alluding to the accuracy of his result not being guaranteed, in his post #723. However, the possibility of him being a godfather is far too remote that I would consider gambling the game on it, and I deem it unlikely that our only investigative role would be insane. On the site I came from, cops being insane was rather the rule than the exception, but here the case appears to be different.


- Claimed friendly neighbour, confirmed by Jilynne. As such, the only way he could be mafia is if he and Jilynne were gambitting. With the game in apparent MYLO, that would seem like a possibility worth considering, but since there seems to be a vigilante out there, this would be a significant risk for the mafia to take. He is most probably telling the truth.


- She confirmed imaginality's claim, when as mafia she could easily have denied everything and probably get imaginality lynched. It occurs to me that this would not help the mafia much, since this would result in her becoming an obvious target for the vigilante, and the result would be a one-for-one trade. The other possibility is her and imaginality both being gambitting scum, but that would be risky with the vigilante alive and hidden, and therefore unlikely. I continue to read her as town.


- The reasons I've mentioned before have not changed, and I continue to believe him town. I am aided in this by the fact that we are both in another ongoing game, where I did a meta investigation of him. This suggested that tunneling as he has done is a town tell for him, despite the fact that he was proven wrong.



- My liking of him was indeed based on his play on day one, on the assumption that he would not dare tunnel on Twistedspoon as mafia. That argument was of course invalidated when he himself admitted to doing the same in another game, now ended. Now that I think of it, the fact that he brought up the subject himself reflects well on him, indeed I have defended myself as town in a similar preemptive manner. Of course, preemptively defending yourself is something mafia would have a motive to do as well, so I could see him flip one way or the other. I've still got to do that in-depth read on him I spoke of yesterday, perhaps that will be helpful in reading him.


- I have not done an in-depth read of him, but I am liking his posts today. In particular, I can see an effort to scumhunt in his analysis of the game. I also find the way he proposes himself as a lynch unlikely to come from scum - I remember doing this in some of my first games as town, so often that it became a running gag for me for a time.



- Part process of elimination, part playstyle. I am again aided by an ongoing game, where I studied his playstyle, and he seems unusually talkative here, which makes me wonder. Someone mentioned this on day one if I recall, I'll see if I can find it.

I realize that there are probably three mafia in a game this size, and one suspect is too few. The above reads are on individual players, and I've not yet given thought to who could be in a mafia team together. Time to look at the vote records.

On other subjects, I see there have been calls for the vigilante to claim, even mass claiming has been proposed. I'm quite torn about this, on one hand claiming now would help in reducing the number of suspects, however it would also out the vigilante to be killed by the mafia. Perhaps the best policy here is not to claim, unless the vigilante is unfortunate enough to fall under suspicion.

Hmm, I think the vig can remain unclaimed for at least one more day, unless they make it to L-1.

Quick change of opinion from 796, ToastyToast?

imaginality wrote:Quick change of opinion from 796, ToastyToast?

Yes.

With Messrs. Vezok and Imaginality as confirmed genteel, the rogues have got night kills lined up for the next few nights anyway. I remain stalwart in my favour of the "Gentleman Possessing an Antique but Useable Firearm" claiming for such reasons.

Expressing of opinion before the actuality of the event: Imaginality and Jily are devillish rogues, aided perhaps by the mastermind that is Feysal, and my two favourite residents for the gallows are both true gentlemen. /sigh

With Messrs. Vezok and Imaginality as confirmed genteel, the rogues have got night kills lined up for the next few nights anyway. I remain stalwart in my favour of the "Gentleman Possessing an Antique but Useable Firearm" claiming for such reasons.

Mere life expectancy alone is not the sole consideration. If the firearm owner possesses ammunition for another shot, then the possibility that the rogues have amongst their number someone capable of distracting him from so doing (a 'role blocker' if you will) is further reason for the firearm owner to remain anonymous longer, if possible.

I understand that point. It seems to be a Catch-22 situation, however;

-Should we misjudge the fellow we send to the gallows, if the vigilante retains ammunition he is our only chance to maintain equilibrium with the rogues and should remain hidden as such
-But revealing himself will reduce the chances of misjudgement and thus negate the need for a successful shot tonight

I will alter my previous request;

"If the shooter has another shot remaining, he should keep himself hidden for fear of interference tonight.
If the shooter has run out of ammunition, he would do well reveal himself due to being essentially no more than a regular gentleman at this juncture and the clearance would help considerably."

Does this seem a favourable corollary?

Indeed. I agree with that proposal.

ToastyToast wrote:This is the way I see it, but first:
@Hoppster:Neither scum nor town would ordinarily put themselves up as a lynch candidate, I am only doing so because I realize that I am at the bottom of most people's lists anyways. So is inHim. And we are not scumbuddies. You and inHim could be, however.

Also, if you are of the opinion that inHim and I are scumbuddies, why suspect me over him?

Because you put yourself forward for a lynch.


I'll re-read it at some point, but I did not follow the rest of your post. For what reason did you group 6 players into pairs, and why those specific pairs?

{TT/inHim, jilynne/Hoppster, AVox/Feysal}

AurorusVox wrote:"If the shooter has another shot remaining, he should keep himself hidden for fear of interference tonight.
If the shooter has run out of ammunition, he would do well reveal himself due to being essentially no more than a regular gentleman at this juncture and the clearance would help considerably."

Yes, this makes sense.

Feysal wrote:

ToastyToast

- I have not done an in-depth read of him, but I am liking his posts today. In particular, I can see an effort to scumhunt in his analysis of the game. I also find the way he proposes himself as a lynch unlikely to come from scum - I remember doing this in some of my first games as town, so often that it became a running gag for me for a time.

Even though it is probably mylo?

In terms of perfect scum-team chemistry, a group consister of (TT/inHim, jilynne/Hoppster,AV/Feysal) is pretty good. Scum working together well is one of the reasons why I think we are doing so badly. 3/6 of those players are scum, and those pairs make it easier for me to figure out. I am not saying "if inHim is scum, I'm town" or "If AV is scum, Feysal is town." I am suggesting the pattern we should use to lynch teh scums.

Hoppster wrote:Because you put yourself forward for a lynch.

...but its null....you think scum have more of a chance of putting themselves forward for a lynch even though they are this close to winning? Neither side, town or scum, does this often. I'm doing this because it is the most practical lynch pool for town. We are the two highly suspected gentlemen remaining in the game.

OMG, I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING!

I remember the mod saying, that he could confirm about the pm I recieved from him saying that imaginality was town and all that, so I think that confirms imaginality, and me as town. (You guys may not be 100% sure I'm town, but I don't think scum would reveal that kind of information.)

jilynne1991 wrote:OMG, I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING!

I remember the mod saying, that he could confirm about the pm I recieved from him saying that imaginality was town and all that, so I think that confirms imaginality, and me as town. (You guys may not be 100% sure I'm town, but I don't think scum would reveal that kind of information.)

Actually they will confirm this information for townie points and if they don't imaginality would claim he sent something to you and you'll lie ad then you go in a 1v1 which is bad for scum.

Ok, vezok, I didn't get any of that, come again?

vezok's saying that if you denied receiving the confirmation, it would prove that at least one of you or me is scum. So one or the other of us would be lynched. So it would only make sense for you to do that if you were confident I'd be the one lynched, and that the game would end tonight. (Otherwise, when I flip town, you'd be proven scum and lynched tomorrow.)

Oh, ok thanks!

Ladies and Gentlemen;

To prevent this delightful soiree from stagnating, could people be as kind as to indicate by means of a pseudovote who they would be voting for a this moment?

I.e.

Then we can keep track of who is closest to a lynch and continue analysing carriages.

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I will begin:



Presumably, with Feysal only listing inOne as a suspect, plus Toasty's own legitimate vote, that gives us:

Pseudovote count
inHimshallibe (3) - ToastyToast, Feysal, AurorusVox
Toasty (1) - inHimshallibe

inHimshallibe (3) - ToastyToast*, Feysal, AurorusVox
Toasty (1) - inHimshallibe*


I now have indicated with stars the legitimate votes.
Also, since I am wary of being misconstrued, here is an emergency

jilynne1991 wrote:Out of all my games, the players in this game are the least active. I have no clue what to say to that.

inHimshallibe, if you made one mistake in you're reasoning, ToastyToast might not be scum. I think you're logic is too much of guessing.

I've been guessing for a long while, and I'm damned certain by this point in my playing career.

The Villains are ToastyToast, Feysal, and Hoppster.

Hoppster wrote:Egad.

kr0b is a person from whom I had wished to hear more. I do indeed get a villanous gut vibe from him, however I'm not keen with his lynch over Twistedspoon, whom I feel has had ample time in his posts to get content in and convince me that he is town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Twistedspoon

Why oh why did I not see this before?

Up to this point in Day 1, Sir Hoppster had not said a word about Sir K. R0b's absence. Gentlemen start to become concerned about this and Sir Hoppster drops this line in the middle of Chunnelfest vs. Twistedspoon, Esq.

FOS a buddy, but vote the townsperson.

It's all becoming clear.

LOL AT FEYSAL LISTING HOPPSTER AND TOASTYTOAST AS "UNCERTAIN." TOO AFRAID TO PUT THEM AS LYNCHABLE WHEN YOU'RE IN MYLO TODAY?

jilynne1991 wrote:Out of all my games, the players in this game are the least active. I have no clue what to say to that.

inHimshallibe, if you made one mistake in you're reasoning, ToastyToast might not be scum. I think you're logic is too much of guessing.

Actually, Sir Jilynne, name the (three) Villains, in your eyes.