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Quilford wrote:

Scumhunter wrote:

Quilford's miller claim is bs. Even noobs know to claim miller d1 in a game like this. I've seen Quilford ICing newbie games. He aint no noob

I have

never

IC'd a Newbie game.

My mistake then. Point being you are experienced though.

MagnaofIllusion wrote:

Cosca wrote:The person that was bussed all along and is therefore scum with Scumhunter. We actually had some arguments for that but you decided to clip them and go OMG SCUM instead.

The clarity of the above sentence is not high. I’m not sure what exactly you are saying here.

No problem. Let me clarify it for you with an example:

I note with interest you dodge completely that your reasoning for killing me over the Cop claimed Guilty in the circumstance that Scumhunter flippd scum is so scummy it hurts.

You ignore our arguments and just go "Cosca is scum", or rather, "so scummy it hurts".

Regarding your so called back-track – it wasn’t one. I was clarifying what I wrote.

ISO #39:

MagnaofIllusion wrote:

ATTENTION EVERYONE

- It is him or me today. Not other Executioner votes are going to be acceptable at this juncture.

ISO #41:

MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Ok, perhaps in my quick reply last night before bed I didn’t phrase it as clearly as I should have.

No other votes for WHO to be executed are acceptable.

That's not a "clarification", that's a contradiction.

Funny that everytime the accusation is levelled at you it isn’t a valid but when you fire it off it is a Black Letter scumtell.

The quotes should explain the difference between your accusations and ours.

1. I had a Zang Town read and believe his claim.
2. Quilford pulled the “I’m a Miller” after the Cop claim. That’s scum play. Even if he had other powers he should have claimed just the miller portion Day 1 immediately.
3. Zang being more or less confirmed with a Quil scum flip also confirms Scumhunter as almost certainly scum to everyone not just me.

Let's view this from town-MoI perspective.
Town-MoI is confirmed town to himself. That means Scumhunter can't be a sane cop, he's either a cop, but insane or paranoid, or scum. Since Scumhunter behaved scummy since his fakeclaim, the latter possibility is much more likely.

Therefore, to let Scumhunter be scum, town-MoI must assume the following:
- Scumhunter, who is very scummy, is in fact scum.

To let Quilford be scum, town-MoI must assume the following:
- Zang, who appeared generally towny, is in fact town.
- Zang is a sane cop.
- Quilford, who was town to neutral, is scum.
- Quilford's power role claim is fake.

Now let's view this from scum-MoI perspective.
Scumhunter executed an intentionally bad fakeclaim and fake-guilty on MoI for town cred. MoI was willing to sacrifice a scumbuddy; but as soon as another opportunity came along, he immediately preferred the other execution to try to let his scumbuddy live through one more night, trying to snipe the night executor.

I'm sure you all can see in which of the two situations a Quilford execution makes more sense than a Scumhunter execution.

That doesn't mean I don't want Scumhunter killed. But if more players I have Town reads on want to go with Quilford I will.

ISO #41:

MagnaofIllusion wrote:
I’m willing to support execution of Quilford or Scumhunter.
[...]
I support Zang for Day Executioner to kill Quilford. If Quilford flips scum we elect him again and he executes fake-claiming Scumhunter.

ISO #46:

MagnaofIllusion wrote:It doesn't mean that I don't want Scumhunter dead. It simply means that Quilford is another good choice.

Sometimes, Quilford is the only acceptable execution; sometimes, Quilford is preferred, sometimes, you'd only be willing to go along with his execution if more players agree. You even managed to contradict yourself in one post.

Guys my internet is seriously playing up. Sorry, It is really going up and down badly. apparently the ISP has had a DNS failure and quite a lot of users are experiencing problems with their service. I hope to catch up ASAP but if not I may need to replace out.

COSCA SHUT UP MOI DIDNT CONTRADICT HIMSELF

Quilford wrote:

@SK: When you say 'papers', are you referring to 'important U.S. documents'?

Were you paying attention at all during the paper fiasco D1?
Yes, I'm talking important US documents.

We can kill him at night. But he needs to transfer his paper over to me.

Someone smarter than me tell me what the best course of action is now.

I'm in a Voting Bloc with MoI I can die happy now <3

I love the complete flip by Scumhunter. It's so fucking fake. Is he our kill today?

Sk, If quilford is scum and has a paper then why would he be willing to pass it on to town?

Well if he doesn't pass it on we Execute him tomorrow.

wouldnt we execute him anyway?

Sigh, you guys are going to hate me. This will be my last significant content post in this game as I'm sure my imminent death will follow.

I'm a VT. I was so convinced that MoI was scum earlier and leading the town to slaughter that I thought something to be done if we had any chance to win. You can think it was stupid that I did what I did and you know it was a completely irrational decision, but at the time it seemed like a great idea. I figured MoI scum = instant town loss in this scenario and I very very much thought he was scum due to process of elimination and tons of town reads. Of course now some of those town reads of mine were way off base (see case-in-point Quilford). I figured MoI had a >50% chance to be scum and that those times when he was scum would result in gg town loss insant gg. Now I think his odds of being mafia are somewhere in the 25-30% range and of course I regret my decision.

I failed at my #1 job as a townie, proving my towniness to other townies. I know some people will say scumhunting and finding scum is way more important, but I've always disagreed with that. So for that, I failed you and I'm sorry.

For the record, I almost never fake claim as town, and I guess I should have thought it through rationally as to why a counter claim would = disaster. I mean clearly Zang is real, its fucking obvious. It's also obvious Quilford is scum.

I would have retracted my "claim" earlier, and I considered doing so when Zang initially responded to me "Scumhunter, you aren't a cop" or something to that effect. Part of my decision to hold off until this point was the hope that you guys would lynch Quilford instead of me and that perhaps I could fade back into the actual utility of my PM of being a VT with a useless claim such as Paranoid Cop or something. Yes, everyone says town would never be thinking to lie about their role. Welp, I'm not your average fellow. The only thing I have in my mind at any point in time is my win condition and how to best achieve it. I thought MoI was scum and that if I didn't lynch him no one would and it was my job as a townie to do everything in my power to achieve that goal even if it meant lying to everyone. Call me stupid, but lying to town has actually won me more games than I've lost over the tons of mafia games I've played over the years.

Another dissuading factor for not retracting my claim earlier is I have heard of the "lynch all liars" policy on here. Any "policy" in a game of mafia is complete and utter horseshit as each game, each situation, and each day is different and any action can be acceptable based on the situation. ALthough really, I have to take responsibility for my actions and if I'm lynched here I realize its 100% my own fault for the decision I made. My claim was emotional, rash, and pissed off at getting fosed by MoI. My friend who referred me to this site told me that MoI was one of the best players on the site here and when I was being fosed by him I got into the mindset of how could he possibly have a misread on me if he's town if he's supposed to be so good. Bleh.

Town, you can be mad at me. I get it.
You can call me an asshole. Ok. I'll admit I'm an egotistical ass.

But, and this is a huge but, its still your job to decide if you have the courage to believe me here.. I'm sure many of you will go into the emotional "Fuck you what an asshole, kill him I don't care if he;s town", but I'm just here to remind you you still have a choice. Relax. Think about what I'm saying. If you still think that I'm more likely scum than Quilford, kill me. If not though, I just want to say there is still the option to not do that and lynch Quilford "aka the fake miller" today here.

Long story Short: I'm a townie begging for mercy and hope you consider believing me. I realize I shouldn't be putting this much pressure on you to trust me after I've been lying this game. It takes a special player to recognize my play here as idiotic town, but hey, if you guys want to be epic and if you consider what I'm saying here I think you might just realize what I'm saying is entireably possible. I mean I know its the truth, but if you just accept its possible and lynch obv scum Quilford instead of me, I'm willing to use that as a stepping stone towards being trustworthy again this game. I'm also willing to make a committment to not lie at all about my role/intents/foses for the rest of the game and generally not fuck around and be completely transparent.

/beg for mercy can we kill quilford please.

Good news is, the day isn't over you can still choose to believe me. Each and every one of you have the choice to at least consider I could be idiotic town and we can follow the uncc'd cop with a guilty. Good day to you all.

So wait...
What was the exact point of claiming cop, so the real cop come out?
I'm believin' you, but I'm a bit upset that you were trying to get us to vote for you as Executioner to execute MoI, out of players, I'm not impressed, especially when he's your "Null" read. Hmm.

SK, stop sucking up on MoI, even if you're on a Votin' Block with 'em.

But Tragedy, that scummy award is so shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiny.

Okay, so Quilford can't be Executed today or tonight. He's tomorrow kill no matter what.

Well SK, although you only told that you were a PR, how the fuck could we confirm that you're totally town? Even I wouldn't pass the papers to you if I had 'em.
Quilford should send 'em to Zang or CC's replacement, I guess.

I need papers....pardon papers

Your paperwork is finished. Kindly proceed to the gallows

Scumhunter needs death asap

Quilford wrote:Scumhunter needs death asap

Thanks brah, if you scumlords win you owe me a cookie at least.

SleepyKrew wrote:Your paperwork is finished. Kindly proceed to the gallows

I take it you don't believe me.

I'm an angel, see:

Quilford, not so much:

Scumhunter wrote:

Quilford wrote:Scumhunter needs death asap

Thanks brah, if you scumlords win you owe me a cookie at least.

You had a townread on me and a scumread on Zang.

When Zang claimed guilty on me you flipped. You didn't even take into account any possible reasoning why your scumread could have a guilty on your townread.

Town don't do that. They just don't.

Quil, you're giving me your paper, right?

SleepyKrew wrote:Quil, you're giving me your paper, right?

Do you think scum can have papers?

Can you tell if you receive a paper? Because if not, I'd prefer to give it to one of my... townreads.

When I say 'have', I mean: do you think they can start out with them?

Scumhunter can you do a tl;dr as to why you claimed cop?