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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:54 am

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I'm voting IS over MistBeauty only because he's more annoying. Both need rope, but Mist Beauty is more polite.

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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:00 am

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Internet Stranger wrote:No looking for blatant distancing?


That's because the scumz are defending each other in this game.

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Vollkan, I got your back. I'm counting on you to produce an IS-wall-case. You have the patience for this, and I don't. :oops: Job is yours.
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:03 am

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sigh

DGB makes an excellent case against IS

unvote, vote IS
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:16 am

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OK, I want to make a recap post much like DGB's. I've only skimmed hers and not read it in detail because I don't want to be swayed before I have a chance to post my initial reactions. Then we can discuss.

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UT - I considered him as a potential early busser, but the way he thought Umbrage was third party does not seem like something a scum buddy says while bussing
Medicated Lain - this is mostly a gut feel here, don't see anything I object to

Null

IS - lean scummy, however WIFOMing with myself on odds of Umbrage and IS both coming after me over DGB if they were buddies
MBL - not enough info, however timing of catchup post was slightly suspect
Mysterio - no info

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(I have broken this into different types)
Still Generally Scummy

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Imaginality - timing of Umbrage vote was like "oh shit I better get on record as voting him before he goes down"

Tried to derail Umbrage lynch

Mist Beauty
Lurconis

Possible Third Party

Spyrex
Vollkan
(These guys are behaving in scummy ways, but I don't see them as connected to anybody. They seem like islands, but scummy islands. I feel like one of them is likely SK).

I'm aware this is too much scum, but I've put down all my doubts just for the sake of being thorough. I'm hoping others can help narrow this down a bit. I can see through skim that DGB thinks lurconis is town and has a case on IS... so I'm going off to read that now...
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:20 am

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I've never seen vollkan make so little sense...

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Internet Stranger wrote:That's it Vollkan? I'm the eternal scum, the scum of all scum, the most vile man in all of the universe because you think I was role-fishing?!?


Quote for me please where I indicated anything of the sort.


How about two posts above where you said:

vollkan wrote:
Vote: IS


And to address MBL's post from the end of yesterday:
MBL wrote:
@vollkan, is IS really your #1 suspect? If so, please make a more explicit, thorough case. If not, who's your top suspect and why?


Yes. Reason was the continued pushing of DGB for "hard evidence" after she'd already claimed role-related reasons.
It's effectivley just role-fishing
in scum-IS's standard Conspiratorial Cassandra rhetoric.
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:27 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:Yesterday, imaginality voted IS, Mist Beauty, and Umbrage. In my book, he voted three scumbags. I can't fault him for that.


This is the best case for imaginality being town that I have seen.

I'm not sure about IS, although I do think your case is good.

Mist Beauty I'm for sure in agreement, and Umbrage is confirmed scum (although Imaginality voted him post lynch, so imaginality doesn't get too many points there).

I think overall, it puts imaginality on the backburner for me.
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:45 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
IS:

"DBG, oh look opportunistic Umbrage vote to start the day. Great!"
- when I was perfectly CORRECT that Umbrage & Co had killed Kison because Kison was a mega-double voting threat to Kison which could have been VERY problematic in endgame.
"You completely ignored my very awesome points of your attacks on Umbrage"
"If you can get past all the lunacy, Umbrage actually has a point."

And for those that think in-your-face rolefishing is too-scummy-for-scum, remember Umbrage:
"DGB: explain what the omelettes do now. I'm not rolefishing."

And then:
"Meta arguments do not work on Umbrage. Im unsure if he is scum just because of the raging though. Whats the argument on him anyways?"

I've counted EIGHT posts where IS tries to divert the Umbrage wagon onto vollkan, SIX of which were urgent appeals while Umbrage was in dire jeopardy.


I think this is all true, and I didn't realize quite how bad it was.

Part of me still wonders if scum-IS would have thrown his lot in so heavily with Umbrage, both trying to rolefish you so hard and bully me, while also defending Umbrage. It's horribly risky. However, I think the overlynch necessity might be a mitigating factor here - scum never thought Umbrage would actually be lynched, thus making it less risky to tie themselves together. I believe they thought they could get away without lynching Umbrage, further evidence being Lurconis and Mist Beauty trying to start LG wagons (which incidentally makes me wonder if LG is actually town... hmmm).

I don't want to get into the business of eliminating somebody as "too-scummy-to-be-scum" though. That will fuck you every time.

I think this makes the most sense:

1) Umbrage thinks he's invincible. Tells his buddies the town will never overlynch him so he's going to go batshit all over anybody he wants. For whatever reason, DGB is the target. I think scum are generally scared of her because she's a good scum hunter, but the most scary thing about her is she is unpredictable. Scum hate unpredictable.
2) Umbrage overplays his hand and fucks with me and DGB who are pretty sure each other are town. IS supports him because IS is so arrogant that he thinks he can get away with it, plus Umbrage is hard to lynch. And they really want to kill DGB, and at least find out her role info (I think there is more to this based on the scumteam's name of DFSM).
3) Lurconis tries to convinces us all that we want to lynch LG instead by quoting our comments about LG.
4) Mist Beauty tries to act like she's helping us lynch Umbrage, but always gets back off the lynch before he dies, and puts her vote back on LG.

Umbrage/IS/Lurconis/Mist Beauty

I'll go for a IS lynch.

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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:46 am

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Wow, your starting to worry me elvis...
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:50 am

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You got to see it right here Vote Count
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(4) vollkan, DrippingGoofball, Untrod Tripod, elvis_knits

vollkan
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Not Voting: VP Baltar, imaginality, SpyreX, Lord Gurgi, MrBuddyLee, evilpacman18, Medicated Lain, Lurconis, Mist Beauty

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 8 to No Lynch


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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:50 am

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Incidentally, I have a theory about the scumteam being DFSB, but maybe I'll save it until we get a scumbag trying to fake claim.

I think the scumteam doesn't have safe claims because Umbrage didn't try it.
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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:50 am

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Porochaz wrote:Wow, your starting to worry me elvis...


Why?
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:25 am

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well this is going to be fun. lynching IS is like ripping off a bandaid, except it's over major joint replacement and the bandage is a wolverine
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:33 am

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DBG ISNT A CLEARED TOWNIE, so stop giving her the notion that she has any sense of authority here. AGAIN, DBG is in NO WAY a cleared townie. Just because I had nothing else to go after her, it DOES NOT mean she is town.

By the way, no egg talk this morning? Where did that wonderful little egg go?


A quick trip through my ISO shows that DBG is full of shit and is simply BUTTHURT because I went after her and she KNOWS that I DONT trust her.


Internet Stranger wrote:I much prefer to lynch scum, like VollkaScum. The case is already laid out on him. He was bullshit arguing with Scooby, non-comital surfing with pops and now is taking a back seat to the happenings of this day, from the egg to the Umb-RAGE. Thats more than enough reason to see the VollkaScum hang.

Much a better lynch than getting rid of someone just because they are annoying.
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The initial case on Umbrage was that he annoys the fuck out of you. Guess what ladies, this is the same bullshit youre trying to pull on me. You got lucky, LUCKY, with Umbrage and now you want to ride the momentum on someone who doesnt bow down and kowtows to your BULLSHIT. I annoy you because I dont praise you on your... I dont even know what, THAT is why you dont want me around. Because I ruffle your feathers (pun intended), not because of any viable reasoning.

Youre playing on emotions ladies, not logic or reasoning. It makes sense why women are so horrible at this game. By the way, what I said about Vollkan there? THATS A CASE, not the emotional insipidness you are displaying.



Internet Stranger wrote:Well, he isnt dead. Now im REALLY curious as to whats going on with him. Do you want to wait for lurkers to pile on the votes and see if he just needs something like Lynch+2 votes?

Or can we lynch VollkanScum now instead?


OH HEY, look who was the
FIRST
person to suggest we continue to run up the votes. That would be IS, ladies. You should be thanking me for putting the idea out there. Even fucking UT agreed with me at the time.



Internet Stranger wrote:I still don't trust the egg, I don't trust. Umbrage. I trust vollkan is scum.

I'm also very drunk right now.


I voted for Umbrage, I explicitly expressed my distrust on him, but thats STILL not good enough for you ladies, is it? It doesnt matter, this pure confirmation bias. You want me out of here so BAD, so desperate to get rid of me that you know the only way to do it is by making up bullshit appeals to emotion and sprinkle a bunch of lies and innuendo on top.

It aint going to work, ladies!


Internet Stranger wrote:Meta arguments do not work on Umbrage. Im unsure if he is scum just because of the raging though. Whats the argument on him anyways?


This is to illustrate that you intially voted for Umbrage because he was raging. Umbrage always rages. You got LUCKY because he annoyed you, not because of any epic scumhunting ability that youre claiming.


Internet Stranger wrote:He always does that. Im certainly not defending Umbrage, I also still have my eye on DBG, but wouldnt we be better off voting for Vollkan?


Im not the only one that KNOWS that Vollkan is scum. Why not look at the interaction between Vollkan and Umbrage? Why arent you doing that DBG? WHY? Because youre tunneled, youre desperate on me, you dont want to look at any reason or anyone else for that matter. DBG wants BLOOOOD.


So where did that egg go DBG? I assume that since its harmless and useless, you didnt even bother doing anything with it, right?
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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:42 am

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elvis_knits wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
IS:

"DBG, oh look opportunistic Umbrage vote to start the day. Great!"
- when I was perfectly CORRECT that Umbrage & Co had killed Kison because Kison was a mega-double voting threat to Kison which could have been VERY problematic in endgame.
"You completely ignored my very awesome points of your attacks on Umbrage"
"If you can get past all the lunacy, Umbrage actually has a point."

And for those that think in-your-face rolefishing is too-scummy-for-scum, remember Umbrage:
"DGB: explain what the omelettes do now. I'm not rolefishing."

And then:
"Meta arguments do not work on Umbrage. Im unsure if he is scum just because of the raging though. Whats the argument on him anyways?"

I've counted EIGHT posts where IS tries to divert the Umbrage wagon onto vollkan, SIX of which were urgent appeals while Umbrage was in dire jeopardy.


I think this is all true, and I didn't realize quite how bad it was.

Part of me still wonders if scum-IS would have thrown his lot in so heavily with Umbrage, both trying to rolefish you so hard and bully me, while also defending Umbrage. It's horribly risky. However, I think the overlynch necessity might be a mitigating factor here - scum never thought Umbrage would actually be lynched, thus making it less risky to tie themselves together. I believe they thought they could get away without lynching Umbrage, further evidence being Lurconis and Mist Beauty trying to start LG wagons (which incidentally makes me wonder if LG is actually town... hmmm).

I don't want to get into the business of eliminating somebody as "too-scummy-to-be-scum" though. That will fuck you every time.

I think this makes the most sense:

1) Umbrage thinks he's invincible. Tells his buddies the town will never overlynch him so he's going to go batshit all over anybody he wants. For whatever reason, DGB is the target. I think scum are generally scared of her because she's a good scum hunter, but the most scary thing about her is she is unpredictable. Scum hate unpredictable.
Logic? reasoning? nah. Gobbling DBG and appealing to emotion? OH YEA.

2) Umbrage overplays his hand and fucks with me and DGB who are pretty sure each other are town. IS supports him because IS is so arrogant that he thinks he can get away with it, plus Umbrage is hard to lynch.
Thats the ENTIRE case of someone being SCUM, ARROGANCE?!? really?!?
And they really want to kill DGB, and at least find out her role info (I think there is more to this based on the scumteam's name of DFSM).
3) Lurconis tries to convinces us all that we want to lynch LG instead by quoting our comments about LG.
4) Mist Beauty tries to act like she's helping us lynch Umbrage, but always gets back off the lynch before he dies, and puts her vote back on LG.

Umbrage/IS/Lurconis/Mist Beauty
Names better suspects, but lets lynch IS because DBG says so!!!


I'll go for a IS lynch.

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I have to FACEPALM all over this one now. Really Elvis? What other commands is DBG giving you to do? The puppy avatar is really quite appropriate the way to do whatever DBG tells you to do and youre all giddy and excited about it. Dont you have thoughts of your own? How about you do something on your own instead of latching on to DBG's leg and defend her like she is your lord and master?

Have you even looked at the case on Vollkan? Have you looked at HIS interactions with Umbrage? How about looking for scum instead of trying to lynch people that you think are mean?
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:45 am

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Its worrying me as your relationship with DGB is starting to look suspicious.
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:50 am

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---------- Forwarded message ----------

As I haven’t posted a full reads list yet here is where I currently
stand on people.

Town


Porochaz
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VP Baltar

Townish


UT
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DGB

Null


Medicated Lain
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Scummish


MBL
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LG
IS
Mist Beauty

Prefer to lynch LG as stated before almost everyone thinks he is scum
but he keeps coasting through, but am fine with IS or Mist Beauty at
this point as well.

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Pedit: @EK to be honest I believed umbrages claim at that point.  I
was fine with testing it but saw on the wiki lynchproof is normally
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that point.

@IS your last post is very emotional which is what your accusing them
of.  Your insistence on the egg thing is ridiculous at this point as
the thread hasn’t been opened long enough for half the people to even
post.

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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:53 am

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Ebwop sorry typing this up ast work then emailing to phone thought I got all email parts out before I posted
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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:53 am

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vollkan wrote:
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The whole Umbrage-rage argument is too Fate + GreyICE like for me to even stomach reading. Suffice to say, this sort of thing is anti-town and null.
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If you were given power-related information that a player was confirmed town, you would instantly confirm them, even though you wouldn't know the nature of their power? (aside from the fact that nothing here actually does make DGB confirmed-town)

Also, the net conclusion you draw is basically that DGB's role is uncertain - so you then demand that she reveal everything about it?

Umbrage+5



Ok ladies. I did your homework for you. You see those TWO whole lines up there? Thats Vollkans ENTIRE connection to Umbrage. THATS it. Vollkan is CLEARLY Umbrage's partner.

1) He tries to pass of Umbrage as null-yeller, giving him an excuse to not be involved.
2) Doesnt VOTE for Umbrage, AT ALL.
3) Doesnt even mention him by name, except for ONE TIME when I call him out on it.
4) Vollkan is definitely an off-voter not interested in looking for Umbrage scum.
5) Blatant distancing.

And thats just from his NON-INTERACTIONS with Umbrage alone. There is also the rest of the case made against him.

But hey, DBG doesnt give a shit. She doesnt like me, so I must be lynched! She doesnt care if im scum or not. She got lucky with Umbrage, lets ride out the wave some more. Is this your way of establishing your dominance DBG? By making Elvis your puppy and glaming on to other people? "Dont worry Vollkan, I got your back"? REALLY?

Dont forget that I want to know where your egg went today too, DBG.
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:57 am

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Porochaz wrote:Its worrying me as your relationship with DGB is starting to look suspicious.


I think both of us are reasonably cleared based on Umbrage interactions, so I don't think you need to worry that much. Unless you find one or both of us scummy, it's paranoia to be suspicious just because we trust each other. I do have a reason for it, even though most people seem to think it's not 100%, it's good enough for me.
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:01 am

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IS wrote:Have you even looked at the case on Vollkan? Have you looked at HIS interactions with Umbrage? How about looking for scum instead of trying to lynch people that you think are mean?


I have looked at Vollkan. I've said I think he's scum. I don't agree with DGB when she said he's town. I think he might be SK though with how you want to lynch him.

IS, tell me who you think is scum besides Vollkan?
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:02 am

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Well I think here, it's important to remember two things, firstly what has been confirmed is role based, not alignment based and second whilst its quite clear that you and umbrage don't share links I would be foolish to completely write you off as town.

Having said that, if I thought you were scum I'd be voting you.
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:08 am

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Lurconis wrote:
@IS your last post is very emotional which is what your accusing them
of.  Your insistence on the egg thing is ridiculous at this point as
the thread hasn’t been opened long enough for half the people to even
post.

unvote


VOTE: IS



The difference is I have a case on Vollkan which I continue add on numerouns new points. They case DBG made on me is full of BULLSHIT, like claiming that I was somehow some ardent defender of Umbrage and was trying to derail the lynch when I was the one that ASKED for MORE VOTES on Umbrage in the first place.

I may get pissed off when dirt is smeared on me, but im not performing an appeals to emotion as a lynching reason like the ladies are prone to do. "He is arrogant" and the like.
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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:10 am

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Well, that's fair prozac. I don't expect anybody to think me or DGB is FERSURE confirmed. But I think you have to make certain distinctions as the game progresses, like I've made in thinking several people are very likely town based on Umbrage interactions. It's not like I wouldn't change my mind if something really scummy happened, but that would be the exception, not the rule. So if you think we're both town, the fact that we trust each other should be taken with a grain of salt.

Also, I'm not DGB's minion, as IS seems to think. But I'm not going to change my vote just to prove it either. I feel he's insulting and manipulating me to make me change my vote, which makes me want to never move my vote.

IS being an arrogant jerkface just makes me want to lynch him more.

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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:11 am

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elvis_knits wrote:
IS wrote:Have you even looked at the case on Vollkan? Have you looked at HIS interactions with Umbrage? How about looking for scum instead of trying to lynch people that you think are mean?


I have looked at Vollkan. I've said I think he's scum. I don't agree with DGB when she said he's town. I think he might be SK though with how you want to lynch him.

IS, tell me who you think is scum besides Vollkan?


I dont carry a crystal ball, princess. I can only lynch one scum at a time. I have only done the whole swami predicting once and I nailed 4 scum out of my 7 suspects (DEFCON 3, look it up).

I have one scum nailed in Vollkan, once he flips scum I will know who to look at next based on interactions and vote counts. Much the way I have Vollkan pegged and fully cemented as scum today based on Umbrage's lynch.
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:11 am

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elvis wrote:MBL - not enough info, however timing of catchup post was slightly suspect

DGB wrote:MBL - seems to be genuinely not following

Meh, I wouldn't lurk intentionally as scum, ek. I hate lurkers with a passion. I was busy and exhausted until Sunday, for reals, yo. Burning Man, San Diego blackout, etc.

What did you two think of my catch up post? If you get a moment, please answer the questions I asked each of you, thanks.


Also, DGB, your analysis post reads pretty good from a distance, but a little closer up, it needs more thought. IS encouraged the piling on of Umbrage votes at a certain point before the tipping point. Spyrex voted late, after the tipping point. MistBeauty hammered, well after the tipping point. scooby hopped off just before the tipping point, then back on just after the tipping point. All this while Umbrage was refusing to vote himself. It's possible that a few were protecting him, but we'll have to take a closer look to figure that out. I mean, Gurgi, imaginality, vollkan and Mysterio didn't mention Umbrage at all during his death spiral, and it's possible a bunch are scum just waiting to see where town goes. How would scum play it when there are approx 14 town/3p + 4scum and it takes 12 to lynch? I imagine you're pretty paranoid about scum being the last 4 people caught off that Umbrage wagon, so you keep a close eye on the votecounts and as soon as 10 or 11 town are ready to move or as soon as consensus is building to run the guy up to full votes, you hop aboard. Or, if you're meta, you realize that votes #11 and #12 will look suspect for just that reason, so you stay away from the thread entirely rather than help with a late hammer.

scooby hopped off at Umbrage(10) to vote vollkan.


UT and Baltar (and then prozac "me-too") countered with "PILE IT ON BITCHES" which I think was the
tipping point
when scum knew Umbrage was fucked. vote count:

Umbrage (9) Porochaz, VP Baltar, Untrod Tripod, Medicated Lain, elvis_knits, DrippingGoofball, Amrun, Mist Beauty, Internet Stranger

Lurconis hopped on after the "tipping point" and scooby hopped back on as well.

vollkan pushes IS, Spyrex switches to DGB, so so risky if they're scum with Umbrage.

MB hops off and moves her vote to Gurgi, then does the little L+1 princess bellydance, which is so perfectly scummy it's almost too scummy to be scummy.

EK encourages dogpile on Umbrage.

Spyrex switches over to Umbrage, still railing on DGB.


I dunno.. if I were scum I'd have been on Umbrage the moment he started to self-destruct earlier in the day. That being said, the tipping point vote count looks pretty fucking town.

Umbrage (9) Porochaz, VP Baltar, Untrod Tripod, Medicated Lain, elvis_knits, DrippingGoofball, Amrun, Mist Beauty, Internet Stranger



@vollkan
, why did IS get 7 points and Umbrage only 5 for rolefishing? Do you often give people 7 points instead of a nice round 5? Giving IS 7 instead of five appears to have given you a convenient reason to vote IS instead of Umbrage.
vollkan wrote:this does get
IS+7
. EK had already stated explicitly that her reasons were role-related. Not then giving DGB the benefit of the doubt is bad enough, but continually pressing is inexcusable.
Vote: IS
since he now has the high score.


vollkan wrote:Also, the net conclusion you draw is basically that DGB's role is uncertain - so you then demand that she reveal everything about it?

Umbrage+5



@Lurconis
, what are your takes on IS, scooby and Gurgi now?
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