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Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:51 pm**

In post 797, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 794, Venmar wrote:You just said his post(s) were full of fluff...
Fluff isn't a scumtell.

Wut... *rage*

If you think Andrius is town, then why are you making a big deal out of him supposedly making fluff posts?

Out of curiosity, do you think the below post is fluff?

In post 659, Venmar wrote:i think bork gave me this role so i don't try anything stupid this time and die like last game

thanks guardian angel borkjerfkin!

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:52 pm**

In post 799, Venmar wrote:The whole "no original thought" argument is questionable ever since people tried to boner that idea into trying to get me lynched in Red Wedding mafia when I was town.

Funny thing is, people pushing that idea were scum

FTR, nhammen's posts didn't look all that scummy, they felt genuine.

Well, I'm town, and lack of original thought has always been a fairly reliable scumtell for me.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on nhammen's posts. They looked like complete shit to me.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:55 pm**

In post 800, Venmar wrote:If you think Andrius is town, then why are you making a big deal out of him supposedly making fluff posts?

I think you're having an issue differentiating between myself and mollie. Let me help you out;

This is a period:

.

I will end every sentence with one, except if it is replaced by a question mark (?) or an exclamation point (!).

I will also use a thing called capital letters. For example, there is a marked difference between the capital letter A and the lower case letter a.

If you see these things with some frequency in a post, chances are, they're posted by me. If they seem to be lacking these characteristics to a high percentage, it is reasonable to assume the post was made by Mollie.

In regards to the post of your own that you quoted, no, I don't think it's fluff. And I do think

I asked you to explain why you were making that post

in an earlier post of mine. You have yet to do so. Please follow through.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:56 pm**

In post 789, thezmon221 wrote:
In post 779, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 766, thezmon221 wrote:You mean this?
In post 275, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 189, nhammen wrote:Current scum candidates: FTL, TD (for reasons described by 81 and 91)
Where are these reasons? I didn't see them. You also did not quote any posts numbered 81 or 91 in this post. Please elaborate immediately.
This is literally the only feasible post of your reasoning for nhammen being scum. So uhh... Reasons or I call bullshit.
Let me ask you something; did he elaborate? No. Mmkay then.
Looked to me like he was more concerned with the fact that there were a hell of a lot of posts that he had to read,
such as the beginning of mollie's quoted (about Breaking Bad)
.

But humor me, then. How strong was your read on nhammen, and how much has Mala's entry skewed that?

notscience wrote:Thez have you played with AJ scum before?
Have I played with AJ-scum before, hah. I taught him how to play scum. Or, well, I was one of his mentors when he first played scum.

Let me reiterate to you - we're from the same offsite. He's played about 2 years, and I've played about 3, approaching 4. Almost every game he's played on that site has been with me, or with me modding it. Granted, he's evolved over the years (as have I, and just about everyone else), but I still read him fairly well.

I never did that.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:56 pm**

In post 735, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 659, Venmar wrote:i think bork gave me this role so i don't try anything stupid this time and die like last game

thanks guardian angel borkjerfkin!
Why are you making posts like this? I see zero town motivation.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:58 pm**

In post 798, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:@ desp

you mean other than rahegar references, plural penii, pics, "oh this is funny" and all of the other stuff he posted? mebbe I am making it up.

what I know of andy is that he hones in and focuses as town and here he is reacting like how he "thinks" a townie would act. the observations are disconnected and are a cobbled together mash piece of playing to the crowd. his timing is atrocious. the little bit of hunting he provided lacked continuity and it is very surface level, not the type of in-depth thinking that he is capable of. the posts read as shallow when andy is anything but.

But those were all moments within a much larger context. And they are also all still interactions in my view. "Fluff post of the year" is a weird way to say "he posted a few bits of fluff amongst a lot of legitimate analysis."

It sounds like you're reading him as scum because you have high expectations of his town game. That doesn't strike me as a fair accusation. You have anything better?

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:59 pm**

"Looking like complete shit" is a discredit term FYI. Posting like "complete shit" doesn't really imply scum since town can do the same. Though I acknowledge your other reasons, so whatever, we'll have to agree to disagree like you said.

Fair enough on the the tell being reliable btw.

PEdit: If you want me to stop having problem differentiating between you two, then start signing your posts, or I will continue assuming whatever I want and won't be able to differentiating. Don't know what it is about typing two characters like -M or -P that is so hard.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:00 pm**

In post 804, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 735, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 659, Venmar wrote:i think bork gave me this role so i don't try anything stupid this time and die like last game

thanks guardian angel borkjerfkin!
Why are you making posts like this? I see zero town motivation.

Realize the sarcasm in that post and the fact that it isn't meant to be serious. THANKS.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:00 pm**

In post 806, Venmar wrote:PEdit: If you want me to stop having problem differentiating between you two, then start signing your posts, or I will continue assuming whatever I want and won't be able to differentiating. Don't know what it is about typing two characters like -M or -P that is so hard.

It's the whole "remembering" thing.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:02 pm**

SIGN YOUR POSTS.

I won't cooperate otherwise.

Though if I know you, you won't sign just to annoy me.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:02 pm**

In post 796, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 789, thezmon221 wrote:Looked to me like he was more concerned with the fact that there were a hell of a lot of posts that he had to read, such as the beginning of mollie's quoted (about Breaking Bad).

But humor me, then. How strong was your read on nhammen, and how much has Mala's entry skewed that?
Nhammen showed no signs of original thought, and spent a good deal of his posts making himself to
look
pro-town instead of
being
pro-town. He was my strongest scum read up to his replacing out.

I see a lack of really any thought at all in his posts. More complaining about the fact that the game was going at a high speed.

Mala's entry was piss-poor,
particularly reading Mollie wrong
and completely ignoring my contributions (and probably a good majority of the ISO, I'd say) to the slot. Looked very fabricated. Hence why I started pushing her to answer about her scumread, and why I'm perturbed that her response is "jeez let me finish catching up!" as if that has any relevancy to the question.

She was evading. She continues to keep the slot scum.

In post 756, Malakittens wrote:
Okay, town read on Mollie from page 16+.

This brings us to two concerns of mine.

1. Majiffy, I know you're an experienced player. Do you seriously think Mala is wrong because she's reading your hydra wrong? That's ridiculous.
2. Notice the quote that follows. Mala changed her opinion after she got to read more. Guess what - she's not evading, she's reading. Let her finish, and then ask her what she thinks of a case. Shit changes (such as the pappa-to-me read) and you just need to be patient.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:04 pm**

In post 810, thezmon221 wrote:More complaining about the fact that the game was going at a high speed.

- Yeah but those read as GENUINE, and ESPECIALLY because he followed through by replacing out.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:05 pm**

In post 811, Venmar wrote:
In post 810, thezmon221 wrote:More complaining about the fact that the game was going at a high speed.
- Yeah but those read as GENUINE, and ESPECIALLY because he followed through by replacing out.

Why do you think I don't have him as scum? Because that's what I think too.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:06 pm**

In post 810, thezmon221 wrote:2. Notice the quote that follows. Mala changed her opinion after she got to read more. Guess what - she's not evading, she's reading. Let her finish, and then ask her what she thinks of a case. Shit changes (such as the pappa-to-me read) and you just need to be patient.

You're ignoring the meat of the argument. If she had a scum read - what is so hard to explain why? Instead of explaining, she evaded.
And why did she

ignore my half

of the hydra entirely? I was doing a majority of the posting.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:06 pm**

Why.... why..... why is everyone giving me all of these mixed signals?? wtf??

When you say " I see no thought and all he does is complains ", then don't be surprised when I assume your read is leaning scum or scum.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:07 pm**

In post 811, Venmar wrote:
In post 810, thezmon221 wrote:More complaining about the fact that the game was going at a high speed.
- Yeah but those read as GENUINE, and ESPECIALLY because he followed through by replacing out.

Are you suggesting that scum couldn't be genuinely unable to keep up and follow through by replacing out?

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:07 pm**

In post 811, Venmar wrote:
In post 810, thezmon221 wrote:More complaining about the fact that the game was going at a high speed.
- Yeah but those read as GENUINE, and ESPECIALLY because he followed through by replacing out.

Are you suggesting that scum couldn't be genuinely unable to keep up and follow through by replacing out?

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:07 pm**

In post 805, Desperado wrote:
In post 798, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:@ desp

you mean other than rahegar references, plural penii, pics, "oh this is funny" and all of the other stuff he posted? mebbe I am making it up.

what I know of andy is that he hones in and focuses as town and here he is reacting like how he "thinks" a townie would act. the observations are disconnected and are a cobbled together mash piece of playing to the crowd. his timing is atrocious. the little bit of hunting he provided lacked continuity and it is very surface level, not the type of in-depth thinking that he is capable of. the posts read as shallow when andy is anything but.
But those were all moments within a much larger context. And they are also all still interactions in my view. "Fluff post of the year" is a weird way to say "he posted a few bits of fluff amongst a lot of legitimate analysis."

It sounds like you're reading him as scum because you have high expectations of his town game. That doesn't strike me as a fair accusation. You have anything better?

I didn't see the legitimate analysis. he said "let me explain the progression" but then didn't really go in depth and it lacked continuity which is a key point when explaining the progression of one's thoughts. would you agree?

so where is the legitimate analysis?

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:08 pm**

... Can we not defend me? Let me defend for myself, thank you.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:09 pm**

I'm suggesting I think it's town in this situation, especially considering the fact I already mentioned that the " no original thought " scumtell doesn't stick with me too well anymore.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:11 pm**

Man, I feel like I'm replacing into a game, not playing it from the beginning. Apologies for the out-of-date quotes and questions, but I'm only up to page 10. Will soldier on and try to narrow the gap tomorrow.

In post 49, TiphaineDeath wrote:Nick, you're silly, he is highly likely to be a PGO.

Why "highly likely"? Have you never seen Scum fake-claim PGO before?

In post 55, Faster Than Light wrote:Temptation to claim is high, but I was banned for it before, so I dunno.
Probably not a safe move to make anymore. :/

-V

What are you worried about? I doubt you're in any danger of being banned if you say you're Town. Or are you afraid of getting in trouble for telling the truth and claiming Scum?

VOTE: Faster Than Light

If you're Town, I don't see why you're worried about this.

In post 149, TiphaineDeath wrote:It's like a hard-on, but with hate instead of penis's.

Ahem. The correct pluralization is "penises."

In post 159, notscience wrote:Because I don't like people deciding the lynch ahead o time

Does this in itself indicate anything about Mac's alignment?

In post 235, Faster Than Light wrote:You're either a sheep or scum hopping on a mislynch of two people you know are town--both options are anti-town.

Since when is sheeping considered anti-Town? Is it a justifiable reason to lynch someone?

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:13 pm**

In post 813, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 810, thezmon221 wrote:2. Notice the quote that follows. Mala changed her opinion after she got to read more. Guess what - she's not evading, she's reading. Let her finish, and then ask her what she thinks of a case. Shit changes (such as the pappa-to-me read) and you just need to be patient.
You're ignoring the meat of the argument. If she had a scum read - what is so hard to explain why? Instead of explaining, she evaded.
And why did she
ignore my half
of the hydra entirely? I was doing a majority of the posting.

I'd assume because she reads mollie better than you. But the point is - what does it matter what her read is on page 10 when there are 30+ pages and her read is bound to change?

However, I'll let her explain the negligence of your posts. Especially since she's now telling me to back off.

PEDIT: Hi Skull. I'd love to converse with you since it was interrupted before.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:18 pm**

In post 809, Venmar wrote:SIGN YOUR POSTS.

I won't cooperate otherwise.

Though if I know you, you won't sign just to annoy me.

venny

I tried to sign my posts last game but I forgot, it isn't my style. so I can make no promises

I am sorry for the hydra dissonance, I am trying to work it out in gchat. if I could get him to SHUT FOR ONE MOMENT it might get better.

I remember in rw people going after you for those reasons and do you remember I tried to steer people away from you? I picked up that you viewed cdb right off the bat - why do you think I was wanting to work with him so hard? did you read the dead qt where I gave you mad props for good crumbing? I didn't reach out to you as strongly cos I did not want to highlight you as a cop so I just followed your read.

and that is the problem I am having with you this game, it is like you have forgotten all of this. I am reaching out to you to the point where I am practically falling off a cliff.

lets fix this.

-mollie

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:20 pm**

Spoiler: Legitimate analysis in Andrius' wall

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:20 pm**

Spoiler: Legitimate analysis in Andrius' wall

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