Micro 252: There Is No Doctor - END

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Okay, I'll
UNVOTE:
for a while to talk since you are at L-1 but I don't see myself voting Pitoli.

Bulbazak, give me something to work with here. It is TPR that I want to lynch and work out whether you or T-Bone are the remaining scum tomorrow if TPR is scum.

I can't see Sangres being scum. Why do you believe it to be the case?

[The Purple Rose]

shrug, etl, I'd be disappointed if you voted bulba.

His case boils down to one little sentence "he doesn't make sense". Not "he's hiding", or "he's being passive". No, he made moves, and they didn't make sense to the readers. Scum have a tendency to care about these things. Their reads come organically. A case that's solely "he didn't make sense" is a mislynch waiting to happen. It's why things like proofs that someone contradicted himself so often lead to nothing. Because it did make sense to the person posting it. It's poor material for a case.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

it looks very much like tpr and tbone are scum together, doens't it? i think i disagree.

she is liking him because he's pandering to her preferred lynch. when bulb was doing it, she did the same thing. i don't think it's as associative as you think.

i would much prefer to lynch tbone. besides, tpr seems to have really good cognitive skills and if she is town she is useful.

p-edit: i'm not planning on voting bulb today.

[pitoli]

Not going to have access for the next several hours but should be back before deadline. If someone does run me up to L-1, pleeease be patient with my claim

[EspeciallyTheLies]

oh yeah and another reason on why i started to believe tpr is town. i just finished a game she started but was later replaced. she was scum and i fuckin thought her slot was town based on her early play.

its completely different here.

pitoli - for christs sake just claim now.

[pitoli]

"Good cognitive skills" is hardly a reason to want to keep someone around

P-edit: I'm not at L-1 am I?
Why aren't you pressuring Bulba to claim?

[pitoli]

Yeah, neither of us is at L-1 currently.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

because i'm more interested in your claim than his.

and it is a good reason to keep someone around when you think they are town.

much like i wouldn't give a shit if TIP was lynched no matter what his alignment. he's not helping me sort out reads, is he.

[The Purple Rose]

it looks very much like tpr and tbone are scum together, doens't it? i think i disagree.

she is liking him because he's pandering to her preferred lynch.

when bulb was doing it, she did the same thing. i don't think it's as associative as you think.

i would much prefer to lynch tbone. besides, tpr seems to have really good cognitive skills and if she is town she is useful.

p-edit: i'm not planning on voting bulb today.

It's the other way around. I followed his predecessor. Chaosomega caught the tell, disappeared later. I think it was really good scumhunting (which is why I pushed that point when he left) and I think I posted then that I thought chaosomega was town. I haven't had a good reason to doubt that read with his replacement, t-bone.

As for bulb, he was a bit the guy that caught me when I fell, I admit. If he's clever scum, he could have abused my situation there and I'm probably not very immune to buddying. But the case as it's presented now is not a good one.

[Bulbazak]

I can't see Sangres being scum. Why do you believe it to be the case?

It's mainly because of the things they aren't saying. For example, Ffery's meta diving is all well and good, if she had been putting more effort into it. The only games she looked up were games that she had already played with me, ergo, she knew what she would find and didn't have to do much. I would have been more impressed if she looked outside that box. She also should have recognized the similarities between this game and Newbie 1429, where I had also ended up a bit aimless. Yet, she keeps quiet about it. Same thing with Nacho.

Then we have this:

You didn't learn your lesson after Wisdom's push on you?

Seriously, who says this to someone they're supposedly scumreading? In the game he's referencing, btw, I was town who was mislynched d1. Why would he say that if he thought I was scum? And if Sangres was town who thought I might be town, like they hinted at, then why did they never unvote me? They just sat on me. No explanation, no "compromise" reasoning, they just sat there and talked about how there's possible evidence that leans to my town play, while making references as if I was town, all the while keeping their vote firmly planted on me with nary a word.

All in all, I've had time to ponder this over, and a Pitoli/Sangres scumteam makes the most sense to me right now. I want to take care of my reservations on Pitoli now and look back over Sangres tonight.

[pitoli]

It's not like getting TIP lynched will help you sort/provide that much information. That's why I wouldn't vote him

[pitoli]

You went from not having any leads to calling the scumteam. Amazing.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

i'm just saying i don't think it's a good idea to lynch you in order to determine tbone's alignment. i actually think that's uber dumb logic. and i don't think you are related to tbone. i think he's scum and i think you are town.

scum are not unable to find "good" things to push either, and that's one of the problems I have. the first being that i dont find the point that pitoli welcomed an investigation all that telling, the second being that there's nothing BUT that point.

p-edit: i know. he's just a waste of space here. but if there's going to be a mislynch i'd prefer if it was him. his content is so UN-content. if he's scum, there's nothing to fuckin find. and if he's town he's one person who is unable or unwilling to help find scum. i find that disturbing. but i am not voting him am i?

[Bulbazak]

Nothing else makes sense given PoE. Rose has become a very strong townread for me as well, in the meantime. I was aimless when I was on TIP. Now I'm trusting my instincts.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

i could see pitoli/sangres if i had any kind of scum-lean on sangres at all. which i dont.

[Bulbazak]

It's a Nacho/Ffery hybrid. I doubt catching them as scum would be easy.

[The Purple Rose]

fwiw, I think bulba might just be right. If you flip scum, sangres certainly is someone to look at, your interaction would fit. F-16 would play really ballsy the way he defends you for page after page. Sangres quitely got onto the bulba wagon with a huge meta post about whether or not bulba switched reads quickly in other games. The speed of the wagon as of now, together with the bigger counterwagon would make it really surprising to me if you were being bussed right now, and since chaos started this on you, and I've been pushing, I doubt we are serious contenders for being your buddy. I haven't considered the lucky shot that these wagons are both on scum, and I would doubt that to be the case. If pope is your buddy, we'll find out soon enough.

And etl? She'd have hammered bulba. There'd be a way to make an excuse for that. Last thing she would do as your buddy would be to exclude herself from voting bulba.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Based on my meta-experience with Nacho, he usually picks players that he doesn't know to go after when he is scum. I can't see him going after someone he knows. Don't you think it is much more likely he would buddy you or say he was hesitant to lynch you based on past mistakes? Nacho also knows that lynching an active player like you would take a lot of effort and burn his towncred even if he gets the lynch. Why wouldn't he take the many easy lynches that he could have over the course of this game? Why make the game more difficult for scum?

ffery, tbh I know she metadives as scum and town. I was indeed worried that she is posting elsewhere but isn't here to drive a lynch through. Then again, her annoyance at me seemed really genuine. If she is scum that convinced me that I was distracting and obstructing her scumhunting, I'd be very surprised.

Pedit: I do have plenty of games of experience with Nacho and a couple of game with ffery. I meta'd the heck out of both heads in other games. Going after you (Bulbazak) doesn't seem like the sort of thing they would do. Also, ffery doesn't push mislynches as scum. She hangs back and lets the town lead lynches on each other.

[sangres]

If town is asking to be investigated, that means they are asking the cop to not investigate scum that night for the selfish desire to be cleared, which, as I said, is now WIFOM anyway, just because they asked.

This resonates a little. I tend to think like a vig no matter what my role, and this is vig thinking.

[sangres]

It happens. Nacho just got out of a game where this happened to me near the end of d1, and I was unfortunately unable to recover.

Newbie 1429?

[sangres]

Not for nothing, I could have been convinced ETL was town...if he...

- Didn't flip-flop reads/do the things I originally found him scummy for
- Explained his motives for these things rather then attacking me for seeing them
- Attacking me for seeing all the scummy things he was/is doing
- Took an interest in other players since he started doing the third thing

These are some major scummy issues I have with ETL, and

until they've been resolved my scumread is going to remain solid

. Now while trying to get his lynch today isn't going to work, I keep mentioning it so we could think about revisiting this tomorrow. Between Bulba or Pitoli, I'm leaning Pitoli. I'm not satisfied with his 'catch-up' and while I have concerns about Bulba (the whole compromisegate), he's engaged in this game and I see some honesty in his approach currently. Is he doing some self-preservation right now? Sure, but it happens in both alignments. This is where my head is at right now.

Vote: Pitoli

With 12 hours to go, asking for votes on someone other than the leading wagons is derailing. Here's a question for everyone, who here will be satisfied if we end the day in a no lynch?

The bolded sounds a little hedgy.

[sangres]

ETL, as much as I'm suspicious of TBone, there's not enough support for his lynch today.

Who would you lynch without the time and other-reads constraints?

[sangres]

I am not voting Pitoli. I have a strong townread on her. If it was a choice between you and TPR, that would probably have been a different story.

You, too.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I am not voting Pitoli. I have a strong townread on her. If it was a choice between you and TPR, that would probably have been a different story.

You, too.

??

[EspeciallyTheLies]

and what does "leaning pitoli ==>> vote pitoli" sound like to you

p-edit: f16 she is asking who your lynch would be if it was not deadline and you had the option