Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Lush Life]

Stating I dislike hydra dissonance? I was...stating I dislike hydra dissonance. I was hoping the aforementioned hydra would notice the comment and come to the conclusion that I dislike hydra dissonance. Did it work?

are you asking whether or not you successfully communicated that you do not like hydra dissonance? my question is what have you learned about that dissonance wrt alignment? cos that really is the most important thing. otherwise it is just noise.

I also have a theory that those who bitch about hydra dissonance are usually scum. like the rate is probably <80%. most people

think

it but not a lot of town players SAY it cos it only contributes to the noise factor since dislike of hydra dissonance is pretty universal and most town don't feel compelled to say it. scum do cos they have this ridiculous idea that it somehow makes them seem more town.

I enjoy almost all music to some capacity! Though I am especially fond of variants of jazz music, as well as symphonies. Sometimes I indulge in instrumental progressive. If you're looking to dance, I enjoy the Viennese Waltz :3

do you play an instrument? sounds like you do.

lets turn up the heat and pick up the tempo. how about salsa?

[Kazekirimaru]

That was a slightly sardonic question I posed when I was asking if it worked. Anyway, I don't believe hydra dissonance is alignment-indicative, but I do dislike it because it causes some difficulties for the game itself. Namely heads who argue with each other and/or unvote/vote against other heads. It sometimes makes it difficult to get solid reads and it adds another layer of contention within the game that's unneeded. I'm also admittedly unhappy you unvoted my favorite scumread.

Well then, do you think I'm scum? I do see your point about noise if all one does is excessively shout "UGGHH THIS HYDRA FFS" or uses it as an excuse not to sort them, but I don't think I fall into either of those categories.

---tangential break!---

I do. I play most stringed instruments, many percussion instruments, I played trumpet in band, and I own other wind instruments including a porcelain ocarina. It's bitchin, I must say.

Salsa sounds fine. Would you like to lead?

[Kagami]

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Spoiler: Kagami

I'm consulting on top of my normal job this month, so work on that is on hold until further notice. I'm only really using my database to quickly find games of players who don't have wikis.

I like kaze in this game so far, though I admit to not having read the 17 pages especially thoroughly. It looks like almost entirely like fluff. The case on remembrance slot feels like it might be legit.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rem-slot

kaze, can you summarize case on ufo for me?

I kind of don't like this. She says she hasn't read thouroghly, but still feels the case is legit.

She then keeps going on about the trust tell.

Words against Jaqen.

I really hate that scummy nom.

My incomplete assessment of the gamestate is that there are only a few lines of argument that make sense:

Mac on kagami: not enough content, can't deny that
Jaqen on morph: cadb slip
lush on bubba: Various minor tells, listed in 463
morph on Pie: Srs biz early posting nonsense
kise on rem: kise-tsukasa interaction

Of all these, my favorite by far is kise's point, which is both original and accurate. Now, whether or not it's indicative of rem's alignment is a different matter.

Rem is either legit invoking a trust tell (and yes, this is a trust tell), or she's using a false tell to push her towniness.

Hard to say which, but it makes kise very much town to me. Kise's response to my little flip-flop on rem is very nice, imo, making him a fairly strong townread to me.

still pushing trust tell.

Cadb says that town doesn't read the mod-post, but scum do. Then says to the group of people, many who seemed to have missed the IC announcement, "but you all missed it, shame on you." This doesn't make sense from town-frame, because if everyone there is town, then this is perfectly consistent with the first statement. He expresses surprise, though,

suggesting that he's observed that scum also have failed to read the mod-post.

Expresses concern that Morph could be scum, but also say that they could be town.

And then this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Morph

It seems to me that they're trying to fit in.

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The trust tell remains one of the more solid things that has happened this game, and I like solid things. I really don't care if other people don't like that I'm calling it what it is. The question to my mind is only whether it's being invoked, or exploited.

In the post you quote, I don't call morph town at any point. You're misreading this to make a case.

I'm willing to think that cadb was just chiding everyone for their failure to read as carefully as he does, but that's also weird. How did he miss that bubba's point was an obvious joke? It suggests he wanted to townslip someone.

Sadface at kaze.

[Kazekirimaru]

Sadface at kaze.

Not a fan of the Waltz, then?

[Kagami]

Not a fan of the read, as I'm sure you can imagine~

[Kazekirimaru]

On you, I take it.

[Kagami]

That's the one >_<;

[Kazekirimaru]

It's not my fault you rolled scum! D:

[Lush Life]

That was a slightly sardonic question I posed when I was asking if it worked. Anyway, I don't believe hydra dissonance is alignment-indicative, but I do dislike it because it causes some difficulties for the game itself. Namely heads who argue with each other and/or unvote/vote against other heads. It sometimes makes it difficult to get solid reads and it adds another layer of contention within the game that's unneeded. I'm also admittedly unhappy you unvoted my favorite scumread.

so you are in love with the bubba lynch then? why? I get majiffy's stance bubba is the type of player he latches onto early in a game. borky and I want to give him room to breathe and see what happens. mebbe in a day or 2 revisit but I don't think he is the best lynch for today.

Well then, do you think I'm scum? I do see your point about noise if all one does is excessively shout "UGGHH THIS HYDRA FFS" or uses it as an excuse not to sort them, but I don't think I fall into either of those categories.[/quote]

I don't know are you? but why did feel like you had to say it? did you think that with 3 heads and 2 with wildly divergent approaches with 1 in the middle did you think that we would stop? with majiffy it ain't gonna happen. I would have thought that you would have picked up on the abrasive playstyle and figured that out. he is good at what he does but sometimes has a hard time playing well with others.

so you have a town read on us. who else is in your town pile

---tangential break!---

I do. I play most stringed instruments, many percussion instruments, I played trumpet in band, and I own other wind instruments including a porcelain ocarina. It's bitchin, I must say.

Salsa sounds fine. Would you like to lead?

certainly!

[Lush Life]

oh wow quote fail

hi kagumi!

[Kagami]

It's not my fault you rolled scum! D:

Nope, still town. You should join my "always town" club.

oh wow quote fail

hi kagumi!

hi?

[Lush Life]

you really aren't town this game are you

[Kazekirimaru]

so you are in love with the bubba lynch then? why? I get majiffy's stance bubba is the type of player he latches onto early in a game. borky and I want to give him room to breathe and see what happens. mebbe in a day or 2 revisit but I don't think he is the best lynch for today.

I'm not in love with it but I'm certainly not opposed. bubba is likely third in line for people I'd like to lynch today. I'll admit that the read on him from me is some large percent gut. I just really hate how he interfaced with Majiffy, too. The way he keeps reducing his arguments to "no u" and even attempted to eject him from the game was bleh(and before you ask, no, I didn't like how Cabd attempted to do the same thing to the IC.) So, yeah. I'd agree he's not the best lynch today. Hey! You should put your vote on pieguy with me. How about it?

I don't know are you? but why did feel like you had to say it? did you think that with 3 heads and 2 with wildly divergent approaches with 1 in the middle did you think that we would stop? with majiffy it ain't gonna happen. I would have thought that you would have picked up on the abrasive playstyle and figured that out. he is good at what he does but sometimes has a hard time playing well with others.

Role PM says no.

You know what, I really just felt like complaining for the sake of complaining. Did me stating my dislike for hydrae arguing amongst themselves add to the gamestate? No, probably not. But that's okay, because I say a lot of things.

so you have a town read on us. who else is in your town pile

IC, Gaiden, GC_BC, uhhh...maybe Mac? I have a lot less of this figured out than I thought. ._.

[Kazekirimaru]

Nope, still town. You should join my "always town" club.

Is this a thinly-veiled way to call me scum?

But yeah. You've no membership to such a club. It expired when you got your role PM for this game.

[Kazekirimaru]

Nope, still town. You should join my "always town" club.

Is this a thinly-veiled way to call me scum?

But yeah. You've no membership to such a club. It expired when you got your role PM for this game.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

It was pretty much like this last year too. Nobody ever lets me in their circle jerks. It's kay, their hands are too small anyway!

I can be omgusy if I want to be, if it's warranted. That's first of all. Second, if you're not ready to be aggressive, how is that different from my earlier comments about not arguing?

There's a difference between arguing and being aggressive. I don't feel an aggressive tone between us right now but I can assure you there is an argument.

My vote is parked on you because I don't feel the need to unvote or move to bubba just yet. I don't like forced wagons so I'm to pick off people who can get by without achieving that much suspicion. You. You're overvaluing your contributions and you should call yourself a hypocrite for calling me out on that!

If you can trust me on one thing, it's that I

do

have suspicion cast towards me. Looking at the votecount: You, your pal UFO, Lush, GCBC, pie, maybe Tsu and maybe Yuni. So in case you were vote parking to be a hipster...

+ no I'm not a hypocrit. I'm reviewing various players and their conversations. You are singling me out and being mean to me.

So, you were so self conscious that the moment I scumread on you, you try to flip it on me by saying I have not contributed rather than actually building a case. My vote on you initially was mostly gut, you were playing middle man who was trying to backseat scumhunt but the moment I call you out it's immediately an OMGUS on me.

What's up.

[Lush Life]

I'm not in love with it but I'm certainly not opposed. bubba is likely third in line for people I'd like to lynch today.

but you just said in post #801 that bubba was your favourite scumread, yeah?

Role PM says no.

You know what, I really just felt like complaining for the sake of complaining. Did me stating my dislike for hydrae arguing amongst themselves add to the gamestate? No, probably not. But that's okay, because I say a lot of things.

while complaining that other things don't add to the gamestate.

IC, Gaiden, GC_BC, uhhh...maybe Mac? I have a lot less of this figured out than I thought. ._.

I guess you have your work cut for you huh

[Kazekirimaru]

but you just said in post #801 that bubba was your favourite scumread, yeah?

Yep. I can't have more than one favourite? I suppose I worded that badly. "One of my favourite" would have worked better.

while complaining that other things don't add to the gamestate.

I really don't think hydra squabbles and me stating how much I dislike them are really comparable in terms of adding to the signal:noise ratio.

IC, Gaiden, GC_BC, uhhh...maybe Mac? I have a lot less of this figured out than I thought. ._.

I guess you have your work cut for you huh

Seems so. Anything else?

[Lush Life]

of course!

so you have 3 town reads and 1 mebbe but you know what I find weird?

is that we are not on that list and yet you have been treating us as town.

you also have a good amount of dissonance with your posts as in you don't seem to have a clear directive for your thought processes.

[Kazekirimaru]

so you have a town read on us. who else is in your town pile

This hopefully explains why I didn't list you.

As for the rest, I shrug.

[zMuffinMan]

I was being pieguy for a second - if you'd read the post, you would've understand

it didn't look like a pie impersonation but sure, whatever

what are your reads outside of pieguy?

[Jaqen Hghar]

I'm still waiting for you to refute even a single one of my points against Bubba.

A man has no reason to refute what he's already said he can see where you're coming from. A man is also fully entitled to think you're full of brolove for GCBC that clouds your vision. The lol of it all is that if Bork thinks Jaqen is the same person as cabd thinks and is known town, he has a history of being very accurate D1... So if that's your belief, why isn't a hydra following the read?

Bork told me who you are.

A man is sure that Bork is just as incorrect as cabd was. A man also thought it was the point of the game, as town, to find scum and work with town to get rid of them; not spread adhom in attempt to bias against town.

We wont be caught up for a day or 2. Who's scum?

A man has caught GCBC and so far GCBC has yet to refute it while his minions adhom an Innocent Child. Katarina could be scum for calling out adhom wrongly while ad homing (among other things), bubba for inconsistencies, some think LL (a man thinks this is because of hydra dissonance), and your slot. Special attention should be paid to Varsoon if GCBC later flips scum due to an interesting bit of his meta a man has never seen anyone, oddly, pick up on.

[zMuffinMan]

i really dislike the pbpa bubba did in #750. there's so little analysis there; it reads like hollow commentary

[Jaqen Hghar]

of course!

so you have 3 town reads and 1 mebbe but you know what I find weird?

is that we are not on that list and yet you have been treating us as town.

you also have a good amount of dissonance with your posts as in you don't seem to have a clear directive for your thought processes.

A man wonders why Kaze's dissonance is trumping cabd's dissonance by this slot. At the same time, a man can see where you're coming from.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Innocent Child Guy:

snip. You are using a manner of speech that makes it harder to read, and therefore interpret your posts. snip

A man is typing in plain English and the number of players a man has seen understand exactly what he's saying tells a man this is just more ad hominem. A man also knows you're obfuscating stupidity if you really want people to believe this mummers farce because your reading comprehension level is well high enough to follow third person.