Mini 1558 - VisCon: Crossroads [Game Over]

[SXTLHGaiden]

K. Good enough reason for me.
any thoughts on what being "marked" means?

[Majiffy]

Dodge. Back when I have a bedroom again.

[Kalimar]

It's probably a delayed kill mechanism of some description.

I don't know what I want to do with my vote right now.

[SXTLHGaiden]

Majiffy and Desp: did you target someone last night?

[Brian Skies]

any thoughts on what being "marked" means?

I got nothin'.

Can't find anything in the game thread or flavor indicating anything about it.

[SXTLHGaiden]

Brian, did you target someone last night?

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 4.1

SXTLHGaiden [1] - Desperado

Not Voting [6]

- Brian Skies SXTLHGaiden pieguyn Majiffy borkjerfkin Kalimar

Marked

- Desperado, Majiffy

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

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Deadline is April 30, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-04-30 13:00:00)

[pieguyn]

I still think Brian is scum off the wagon. I have a strong townread on bork and while I could possibly see Kalimar, I really doubt it (although mb I'm just having a "Kalimar lurks as scum" bias). the last thing I'm going to do is rely on role based arguments when it's done nothing but fuck me up the ass the last 2 times I tried it. I see no reason FG couldn't have made whatever he is as a fakeclaim

that means Desp is town unless they pulled the most ballsy move in the history of ever. current guess for scumteam is Brian x Gaiden

[borkjerfkin]

Brian has done nothing worth a shit the whole game. Someone please fucking prove me wrong, I'm trying to evaluate and see literally zero that suggests Brian town. I have no idea what to do with the witch cop thing - we have scum witches in prior games and town witches in this one so far and the sample size on that is fucking ass and ultimately tells me nothing.

I feel about Kalimar about how Pie does - optimistic but not townbloccy.

pie himself has weirded me out considering I feel that last post of substance he made was like around a fucking month ago when he engaged me on my early game reads? His roleclaim is keeping him afloat but I can't fucking evaluate it because I know nothing about what has flipped.

Majiffy's reads are not terribly transparent but hey we had two deaths on one night so that;s a thing.

Gaiden is never transparent but it seems like he's trying to figure shit out in his own way (?)

Additionally, I'm trying to be patient with this whole 'Aetis + Lizen' = OTP Town thing but it makes no fucking sense in the context of this game and the people purporting it SHOULD FUCKING REALIZE THAT THERE IS NO ALIGNMENT GUARANTEE FROM GAME TO GAME

THIS IS NOT FUCKING ROCKET SURGERY

I know literally nothing about what has flipped.

I need to know what this marked shit fucking means (or rather, if it can possibly mean that this is surprise MyLO because AFAIK this is 5:2 which is decidedly not anything-LO).

If it didn't come across, I am just a little bit frustrated with how this is going, even if we did lynch lurkscience yesterday.

[borkjerfkin]

borkjerfkin kirroha <- everything in his ISO seems town motivated and it'd be fucking sad if the only person putting a lot of effort in here was scum

Like compare this post to #163

Where is the trajectory?

There isn't one. And there isn't one for anyone on anybody.

And that's fucking bullshit.

This is a reachout to anyone who's actually fucking town and this isn't some crazy multiball fuck where I'm the only one left: what the fuck are you doing in this game?

[borkjerfkin]

SHOULD FUCKING REALIZE THAT THERE IS NO ALIGNMENT GUARANTEE FROM GAME TO GAME

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Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

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Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Note: VisCon games will share flavor, but there is no setup/alignment/role information guarantee between the games.

Like fuck your crap alignment conjecture, desp.

[borkjerfkin]

we have scum witches in prior games and town witches in this one so far and the sample size on that is fucking ass and ultimately tells me nothing.

Actually the fact that he has only reported results on 1) known entities or 2) scum also does nothing to affirm the legitness of this role

[Desperado]

I don't give a fuck what you think Bork. I'm town and I'm the same fucking role that Lizen has been in the last two iterations of this story. I also don't believe FG would give the scum Aetis as a fakeclaim based on my experience as scum in the two previous iterations of this story.

I have been clear about this from the beginning.

Even if you're getting weird about pieguy, if he's scum then he was likely telling the truth about there being two scum on the neil wagon. So regardless of his alignment, me/Majiffy/Gaiden contains 1 scum. So how about you spend more time deciding who you want to lynch between the three of us and less time pointlessly ranting about how everyone could be scum.

[borkjerfkin]

I also don't believe FG would give the scum Aetis as a fakeclaim based on my experience as scum in the two previous iterations of this story. I have been clear about this from the beginning.

That's fucking great but it has no basis in reality.

[borkjerfkin]

Like what do you really know about Aetis? Why is it even necessarily a fakeclaim? I mean it could be and it could also be Aetis is a scum role.

Like this is a universe in its infancy that you really don't know as much about as you're saying you do.

[borkjerfkin]

And if you're town you should damn well care about what I think

because you goddamn better well know I'm town by now.

[borkjerfkin]

I have been clear about this from the beginning.

Like why is this even relevant? I've been clear about the fact that I think this assertion is fucking garbage from the beginning.

[borkjerfkin]

me/Majiffy/Gaiden contains 1 scum

And gaiden via PoE works for both alignment versions of you, so your opinion on it is noted but really gets me nowhere in and of itself.

[borkjerfkin]

Actually the fact that he has only reported results on 1) known entities or 2) scum also does nothing to affirm the legitness of this role

And why are you ignoring huge warning klaxons like this in favor of 100% flavor spec?

[Desperado]

Because we've discussed his targets every night?

[borkjerfkin]

Because we've discussed his targets every night?

That is fairly compelling. Why did you pick who you picked?

[Desperado]

Brians first n1 suggestions were GIF/Who/Jiffy/Kalimar; then a couple days later he says he's between Notscience and Who, leaning Notscience because he flowcharted the Neil wagon so hard. I agreed with NS and suggested he use a code to telegraph his result; if NS was a witch, he would ask NS a question in his first post.

n2 Brian lead off with Who and I agreed. Based on POE at the time we had the scum off the wagon inside {Who, Bait} and I remembered Who softclaiming a warning against visiting him (I thought he was softing Ascetic). We felt it was worth testing.

Last night we both got weird on pieguy.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy and Desp: did you target someone last night?

I performed a night action last night. It was successful. I'm not elaborating.

I need to know what this marked shit fucking means (or rather, if it can possibly mean that this is surprise MyLO because AFAIK this is 5:2 which is decidedly not anything-LO).

I'm inclined to believe this is a scum mechanic by the fact that no one has piped in about it.

[Brian Skies]

Brian, did you target someone last night?

Yes. I targeted Pie. He's a witch.

Brians first n1 suggestions were GIF/Who/Jiffy/Kalimar; then a couple days later he says he's between Notscience and Who, leaning Notscience because he flowcharted the Neil wagon so hard. I agreed with NS and suggested he use a code to telegraph his result; if NS was a witch, he would ask NS a question in his first post.

n2 Brian lead off with Who and I agreed. Based on POE at the time we had the scum off the wagon inside {Who, Bait} and I remembered Who softclaiming a warning against visiting him (I thought he was softing Ascetic). We felt it was worth testing.

Last night we both got weird on pieguy.

I confirm I had these discussions with Desp.

I wanted to check between Notty and Who because they were in my nullish pile. Notty started off strong but kind of drifted off towards the end of Day 1 and I was concerned with the way he was just sheeping Majiffy's wagon. Who I wanted to check because I was concerned over his lack of content. He basically mostly showed up to vote and I wanted him sorted in some way. He softclaimed something similar to ascetic and I wanted to test it out and make sure he wasn't just doing it to prevent an investigation. I checked Pie last night just to make sure he wasn't trying to pull wool over our eyes.

*I'm inclined to agree with Desp that regardless of Pie's alignment, it's likely there's at least one guaranteed scum within Desp/Gaiden/Majiffy (in the event Pie IS fake-claiming, he'd need some sort of truth to rely on if he wants to ride his fake-claim out), with Majiffy being pretty unlikely (unless you think the scum had access to two night kills). I'm more confident with Desp being town than Gaiden.

VOTE: Gaiden

[Kalimar]

easter prod dodge.