The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[Eleven]

Anyway you're not being lynched Day 1 which kinda hella fucking owns for u imo so dw about it, tomorrow may bring new things.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

- Eleven: "Don't actually believe Reck's claim". Ok... why? Nope. Nothing.

Pretty obviously a fake claim + flavour seems like a bunch of bullshit I'd say? Not sure you need reasons beyond that (Plz don't FAKECLAIM AS TOWN)

[Eleven]

Please use WORDS to convey your meaning.

[Eleven]

Let's see, let me guess. Can't be the second part, already said that. Can't be the first part since I'm right. OKAY.

[Porochaz]

VOTE: CDB

Waffles seems town to me. I don't understand why she's asking some of her questions, but most are coming from a town frame of mind from what I can tell.

This vote is what is mainly bugging me about Axxle, I think it stems from the fact that it comes straight after Fate and mollies conversation where Fate states CDB is scum. Now to be honest here, CDB's alignment is slight town to me at this point, I mean the only salient point is the whole mollie laughing thing which I remember and clearly understood it as a joke (especially since we weren't even 10 posts in). However back to the point, when mollie and fate had this conversation, I realised there was actually no case on CDB, then Axxle swooped in and put down a baseless vote. I either read from that he was looking for an easy wagon, supported by the YNGO vote, which whilst not baseless, was a bit meh, or he is psychic.

I am going for the former here.

Also, exactly what you want to hear, but I have the flu at the moment so my activity might be a bit rough.

[Porochaz]

I would like for Axxle to explain his vote on me.

Short answer: I wanted to move my vote somewhere useful and wasn't feeling any of the other wagons.

Long answer: Originally I just sheeped fate since that's easy. But looking at the current wagons I feel a lot better about it. Didn't want to vote for someone without a vote already, that includes cheery who only has rvs votes and eaglekit who hasn't posted yet. I don't really want to bother with Eleven/mollie/waffles. Triforce just got here and seem fine. I'm not going to sheep YNGO. The UT votes seem lazy and you happen to be one of them. You have the biggest wagon already.

Iec's claim is probably town regardless of if his name shows up on the hammer assuming he didn't know in the first place.

Why? Think it's more natural to assume it would show up (It'd be super weird if it didn't, if he's scum he'd definitely assume it shows up as SECRET HAMMERER seems kind of retarded as a scum role).

If he claimed without knowing, then it's pretty unlikely that he's scum. As scum people generally want to iron out the details of their role/claim before they claim. The actual answer is irrelevant because of how loose the claim itself was.

He only *said* he didn't know, that doesn't mean he didn't know.

Appears I missed the reasoning post. It doesn't really change my reasoning at all.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Let's see, let me guess. Can't be the second part, already said that. Can't be the first part since I'm right. OKAY.

Why is it a bunch of bullshit. Speak slowly I'm barging in this game as I didn't go to the meet. I mean if it is a fake claim, it would come from the mod, no? I mean I was in a game with Reck when he came up with a fake claim and asked the mod to give him flavor to fit it, so it would come from the mods.

Also, just his demeanor reads town, so I'm a bit thrown off that you're SO SURE.

Plus what's the benefit of claiming a day one beloved princess only.

[Untrod Tripod]

Speak slowly I'm barging in this game as I didn't go to the meet

so I want to lynch this now

[Cheery Dog]

Thoughts on waffles, prozac and gamma Cheery Dog?

All 3 are on my "meh, I'll develop a read later" list. (and so is practically everyone else)

Tammy, you skyped as twice while we were there, therefore you can be included as some form of at the meet. (even if what I remember about the skype calls was kayne)

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Speak slowly I'm barging in this game as I didn't go to the meet

so I want to lynch this now

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

HEHEHEHEHEHE

HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO

I'M GOING MAD.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Thoughts on waffles, prozac and gamma Cheery Dog?

All 3 are on my "meh, I'll develop a read later" list. (and so is practically everyone else)

Tammy, you skyped as twice while we were there, therefore you can be included as some form of at the meet. (even if what I remember about the skype calls was kayne)

<3

Thank you cheery dog!

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Also at the risk of sounding completely self-absorbed, I found it odd that triforce started grilling the hell out of cheery dog after I noted that it was odd that they didn't think cheery's vote on mollie was weird and that his interaction with her felt off.

[Eleven]

Let's see, let me guess. Can't be the second part, already said that. Can't be the first part since I'm right. OKAY.

Why is it a bunch of bullshit. Speak slowly I'm barging in this game as I didn't go to the meet. I mean if it is a fake claim, it would come from the mod, no? I mean I was in a game with Reck when he came up with a fake claim and asked the mod to give him flavor to fit it, so it would come from the mods.

Also, just his demeanor reads town, so I'm a bit thrown off that you're SO SURE.

Plus what's the benefit of claiming a day one beloved princess only.

Hmm. Tell you what, just ask mina what she thinks? Surprised she hasn't like actually discussed the claim with you since she had such a hard on for reck early. I don't think you need to have been at the meet to see that someone being hated and a beloved princess is somewhat contradictory, though. (Like, sure getting lynched Day 1 = hated? That's fine, I buy that. Getting lynched Day 1 lots = beloved princess is iffy....but both together seem conradictory to me)

If I ask the mods to give me flavour for ":D smiley, depressed townie", I'm sure they'd do it, it doesn't mean it'd be as convincing as their actual prewritten flavour for actual roles, so that point seems silly.

Also not sure how AP handles fakeclaims, I checked his 2 micros earlier for roles and such (I already knew he liked millers as he ran a game with 2 of them) and he had a habit of not posting full role pms at the end (at least in sabotage I think) which was irksome, so it doesn't seem that impossible he'd not even provide flavour just a list of safe things to claim ala a lot of mods.
(Last question is silly, it's a free day 1 get out of jail card, which isn't the worst claim in the world as scum, + me and reck have claimed vengeful as scum and survived it, sometimes you don't really think these things through?)


Anyway, zzzz. What does Mina think of your actiondan vote? Did she get around to reading him?


Anyway, pretty sure if I was super sure I'd be voting him! I do think it's LIKELY a fakeclaim though! He does seem tonally pretty town at times though, so yeah. *shrug*

[Eleven]

All 3 are on my "meh, I'll develop a read later" list. (and so is practically everyone else)

Can you give me your strong reads in either direction then?

[Cheery Dog]

All 3 are on my "meh, I'll develop a read later" list. (and so is practically everyone else)

Can you give me your strong reads in either direction then?

CBD and Mollie are town
Ice and Ythan have claims/actions that make them unlikely scum, but I'm not going to do much else with that.

YNGO are scum, but not todays lynch. (and as you might have noticed my lack of a vote currently, there's nobody else listed here)

[Untrod Tripod]

Speak slowly I'm barging in this game as I didn't go to the meet

so I want to lynch this now

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

HEHEHEHEHEHE

HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO

I'M GOING MAD.

take your fake self-pitying bullshit somewhere where people give a fuck

it's sure not doing what it's designed to do, at any rate, but if you want to keep scumtelling be my guest

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Let's see, let me guess. Can't be the second part, already said that. Can't be the first part since I'm right. OKAY.

Why is it a bunch of bullshit. Speak slowly I'm barging in this game as I didn't go to the meet. I mean if it is a fake claim, it would come from the mod, no? I mean I was in a game with Reck when he came up with a fake claim and asked the mod to give him flavor to fit it, so it would come from the mods.

Also, just his demeanor reads town, so I'm a bit thrown off that you're SO SURE.

Plus what's the benefit of claiming a day one beloved princess only.

Hmm. Tell you what, just ask mina what she thinks? Surprised she hasn't like actually discussed the claim with you since she had such a hard on for reck early. I don't think you need to have been at the meet to see that someone being hated and a beloved princess is somewhat contradictory, though. (Like, sure getting lynched Day 1 = hated? That's fine, I buy that. Getting lynched Day 1 lots = beloved princess is iffy....but both together seem conradictory to me)

If I ask the mods to give me flavour for ":D smiley, depressed townie", I'm sure they'd do it, it doesn't mean it'd be as convincing as their actual prewritten flavour for actual roles, so that point seems silly.

Also not sure how AP handles fakeclaims, I checked his 2 micros earlier for roles and such (I already knew he liked millers as he ran a game with 2 of them) and he had a habit of not posting full role pms at the end (at least in sabotage I think) which was irksome, so it doesn't seem that impossible he'd not even provide flavour just a list of safe things to claim ala a lot of mods.
(Last question is silly, it's a free day 1 get out of jail card, which isn't the worst claim in the world as scum, + me and reck have claimed vengeful as scum and survived it, sometimes you don't really think these things through?)


Anyway, zzzz. What does Mina think of your actiondan vote? Did she get around to reading him?


Anyway, pretty sure if I was super sure I'd be voting him! I do think it's LIKELY a fakeclaim though! He does seem tonally pretty town at times though, so yeah. *shrug*

I have no idea what mina thinks of my action dan vote. Since my question to her if I could vote him has gone unanswered anyway.

The majority of what we've talked about has centered around mollie. she thinks she's town town town and I have some reservations. And eaglekit, she thinks I'm overthinking my town read on him.

THAT'S IT. Oh wait, I've also apologized for being the worst hydra partner ever and promised promised to be better starting today. I've also complained about someone that I'd rather not start yet another argument with, so that's pretty much the gist of our conversation.

The barging in was a joke based on the continued ridiculous assertions by someone I'm not going to get into another argument with but think it's fun to passive-aggressively assert my frustrations. That's probably be deliberately mean too. Who knows.

She hasn't said anything about his claim, so wooooo idk, when she signs back on grill her about it? I think anyone who's ever played with me knows that role claim issues aren't my strong suit so how you doin?

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Speak slowly I'm barging in this game as I didn't go to the meet

so I want to lynch this now

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

HEHEHEHEHEHE

HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO

I'M GOING MAD.

take your fake self-pitying bullshit somewhere where people give a fuck

it's sure not doing what it's designed to do, at any rate, but if you want to keep scumtelling be my guest

[pirate mollie]

still having connectivity problems now compounded by the ice storm

still thinking about working with cdb and voting action dan but I want to reread some things first

not going to respond to waffles posts

[Untrod Tripod]

Speak slowly I'm barging in this game as I didn't go to the meet

so I want to lynch this now

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

HEHEHEHEHEHE

HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO

I'M GOING MAD.

take your fake self-pitying bullshit somewhere where people give a fuck

it's sure not doing what it's designed to do, at any rate, but if you want to keep scumtelling be my guest

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

UT - If I didn't already think you were town, I'd call you town right now just because of how hard you made me laugh.

[Cheery Dog]

That's not a very good reason to call someone town.

[Untrod Tripod]

UT - If I didn't already think you were town, I'd call you town right now just because of how hard you made me laugh.

Your buddying offer has been: Accepted

[Porochaz]

so I don't quite know why people think CDB is scum? I mean I didn't really have a read on him for a while (there was one

small

thing that I caught that might've been scummy but other than that, nothing) but his posts the past day or twoish haven't struck me as scummy so unless I'm missing something he seems like some sort of... compromise wagon? is that the right phrase? I mean I may disagree with him (e.g. wagoning Nuwen 488) but nothing's jumped out at me that makes me want to lynch it.

I could go and see who's been pushing his lynch all lazy-like since it's probably more likely there's scum doing

that

than him being scum, but I can't be assed to right now because DRINKING so I'll believe and sheep whoever wants to do the hard work <3

but in the meantime Triforce vote is fine. I could maaaaybe vote Axxle or something because he's been pretty useless the past few pages but I feel like I've voted him for being useless and he's flipped town a bunch

plus

I already yelled at someone earlier for doing that so I dunno. ythan should shoot him if he has another shot IMO.

Also Gamma is givin me the willie nillies not because he's scummy but because he's being useful which is anti gamma meta. like it's not town or scum it's just not gamma

I dunno, I've seen "WIFOM Gamma" at least once or twice and this is what he's doing here, so I think he's pretty town (see: .

wish I could care more about this game but I'm just super lazy.

Damnit pie, you had to make a post I like, who the hell (sans Axxle) should I think is scum now.

As a PSA, I don't know who is posting in the alts, and I get confused who is in what so can we keep to using alt names or at least Faraday/Eleven type things.

Can anyone tell me if this is the way mala and desperado usually play? Im trying to read if there general lack of disinterest and failure to do anything of note could be construed as a scumread.

[InflatablePie]

I think, in general, people have a very hard time distinguishing behind "scummy" and "not super town". If something is scummy, it means there's inherent scum motivation/anti-town motivation behind what they're doing. I fail to see where anything I've done in this game specifically has inherent anti-town motivation.

My "throw my hands up and say fuck it" mentality that has plagued my town games recently have noticeably only been with town teams who refuse to engage in a dialogue about things. I can't remember the last time I had a case presented against me as town. Most of those games, when I ask for cases/points for me to debate, someone (*cough*FATE*cough*) starts screaming about how asking for points/cases to defend myself against is scum motivated and I should be lynched immediately. You'll notice, out of everyone who has passively or actively attacked me this game, literally only one of them has tried to present any valid reasons against me. That person was Axxle, and his one reason he cited ended up falling to shit when I quoted a post I had already made to provide context. He even unvoted me afterwards.

My "throw my hands up and say fuck it" mentality that has plagued my town games recently have noticeably only been with town teams who refuse to engage in a dialogue about things. I can't remember the last time I had a case presented against me as town. Most of those games, when I ask for cases/points for me to debate, someone (*cough*FATE*cough*) starts screaming about how asking for points/cases to defend myself against is scum motivated and I should be lynched immediately.

hey Reck do you remember in Shadow and Light when I kept asking what the cases were on me and people just kept saying I was scum without saying why? I mean you died kinda early on so I dunno if you were paying attention at that point, but anyway, this seems to be a common occurrence and it's not just you

also I was scum that game so there's that too.

anywhooser, who among the list of people you mentioned in 793 is more likely to be scum? I have about 3.5 townreads in that pile fwiw.

pedit: ily2 poro