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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:58 am

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In post 799, Formerfish wrote:It is not exactly what the wincon is, it has been changed slightly to avoid being exact. Look at the wincon and what I wrote. There are differences. If you can't see that then I question if you got the same role pm as I did.
...I see exactly one word being changed...
still the same old MTD
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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:12 am

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There are 3. And I've already pmed Emp to clarify, so we can either keep going round and round on if I broke the rules or not or we can wait for him to reply.
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:52 am

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In post 801, Formerfish wrote:There are 3. And I've already pmed Emp to clarify, so we can either keep going round and round on if I broke the rules or not or we can wait for him to reply.
I don't think you broke a rule or you'd be dead by now. The question to my mind is whether you are:

Town who thinks that scum weren't informed of the town win-con, but believed it would be ok to quote the win-con they don't have access to, thus confirming yourself as town. You can say what you like about changing a word and punctuation, but it's very obvious you wouldn't be able to say what you said without access to the actual win condition. You then would have to have lucked out that Empking didn't interpret this as a rule violation.

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Scum who either checked with emp if it was ok to quote the win-con, or simply assumed it should be fine since you'd know that the scumteam had access to it.
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:38 pm

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Why are you bringing all this up now? I've mentioned it multiple times already and not a peep was heard from you then. And I don't see the game being broken wide open because I put a wincon out there. Now if I had put sometime completely fucking bonkers and someone else ran with it as legit we would be in a different situation.
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:02 pm

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I didn't really think much of it until I was reviewing the game this afternoon, it's not the most obvious point. What I said in 802 is absolutely correct no matter how you want to spin it.
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:00 am

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Vote Count Thirty-Three: Curtesy


Cho (3)- LowerCase, Jul, Belisarius
Nobody Special (3) - FormerFish, MTD, Cho
FormerFish (1) - Nobody Special

Not Voting: Kagami, LoudMouthLee

With Nine alive, it is Five to lynch

(expired on 2014-06-13 07:36:50)
Last edited by Empking on Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:15 am

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In post 792, MTD wrote:@Beli: What happened to this:
I got antsy about not having a vote down.
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:13 am

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Emp said if it were against the rules for me to do what I did he would have offed me.
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:18 am

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Yes, that's how rules work in these games. No sensible players believe you did something that empking considered illegal.
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:41 am

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Hi! I has fixed the work internet, and am back! I will read and try to post tonight! :) Thanks for being patient with me.
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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:43 pm

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Can we please just get some people to change their votes to NS? I don't know if you people are waiting for him to raise the scum flag, salute it and belt out the scum anthem or what, but I feel like he has done nothing town motivated, and has dodged me alone quite a few times when I try to interact with him. If I came to an incorrect conclusion I feel like he would try to work with me to show me where I went off the beaten path. The guy is scum and needs to hang. Who's voting with me?
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:27 pm

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I don't negotiate with terrorists, nor do I "work with" scum.


I just can't understand why no one else is voting you.....
....what?



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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:52 am

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Run me through your scum read on me again? Cause last reads list you put out had me as begrudgingly town, even with me pushing for your lynch. Today starts you flavor claim and I call bullshit and all of a sudden I am scum now. So how about you actually play the game and explain how that happened since you have done a total of Zero scum hunting this game. Hell, to be completely honest you have barely fucking played.
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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:48 am

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I have kinda been waiting on LML to weigh in on Fish/NS and also Cho. From a playing standpoint, NS looks very scummy to me and I have a pretty strong town read on Fish. Cho is very scummy to me for the oops-after-deadline-vote-switch and has a very strong association to NS because of it. I could also see MTD as a Cho partner. I didn't like the way Belli asked Cho/MTD to vote each other but instead they both voted NS. Especially since MTD listed Cho as his other scum read.

My updated reads:
Town - LML, Fish
Leaning town - Bellisaurius
Somewhere in between - Kagami, Lowercase
Could be scum- NS, MTD
Scum - Cho

I'll elaborate as requested but wall-posting via iPhone isn't happening. This game needs conversation though. I would prefer not to have another last-hour deadline lynch.
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:37 am

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In post 812, Formerfish wrote:Run me through your scum read on me again? Cause last reads list you put out had me as begrudgingly town, even with me pushing for your lynch. Today starts you flavor claim and I call bullshit and all of a sudden I am scum now. So how about you actually play the game and explain how that happened since you have done a total of Zero scum hunting this game. Hell, to be completely honest you have barely fucking played.
I think the opposite. The scummier aspect of NS's play today is that he didn't vote you in his opening post.

I've played two recent games with NS; in both games, he was town while I was scum. He basically did little to no scumhunting in either game, and quickhammered the doctor day 1 in one of them without asking for a claim. I know of other town games he's been in wherein he's failed to submit important night actions multiple times. I'm willing to give him some leeway on less-than-optimal town play.

Why do you guys think the gunsmith miller claim is fake?

(btw, the best evidence for NS-scum to my mind is not bad town play, but rather . I still have a very hard time discounting the gunsmith miller claim though, and am waiting for a response from empking about other things.)
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:51 am

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Did you mean 210 or ?
....what?



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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:03 am

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Kagami, what certainty do you have that no other person will have a gun once their roles are toggled? If LC was ONLY a N0 gunsmith I would be in agreement but he was a full fledged gunsmith so there may be a gun-miller to come into existence. I am not saying it is bad logic, but it's not confirmed either.
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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:29 am

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In post 815, Nobody Special wrote:Did you mean 210 or ?
I meant 210, in which the only thing that josh suggests shouldn't be mass-claimed is a passable object.
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:30 am

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In post 816, Juls wrote:Kagami, what certainty do you have that no other person will have a gun once their roles are toggled? If LC was ONLY a N0 gunsmith I would be in agreement but he was a full fledged gunsmith so there may be a gun-miller to come into existence. I am not saying it is bad logic, but it's not confirmed either.
Possible, but that would be a little silly. Also, NS claimed the gun before mass-claim had ended, and the manner that he claimed it sounded genuine to me.

Do you think he made up "laser gun with no batteries?"
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:44 am

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No. But I also don't doubt his other element which is the transformer. What I do doubt is his alignment.
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:56 am

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It seems like a very odd setup decision to give a scum player an item that implies gunsmith miller, while hiding the real miller among transformation roles or not having a miller at all.

If the gun is not just to millerize him, then where does he get this battery from and what does it do? Simplest explanation to me is that one of the characters has it, and is able to give it to NS for some purpose, most likely to give him vig powers. This again implies NS-town.


I've asked empking a number of questions, and will probably weigh in harder on one side or the other after he replies.
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:57 am

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O, and nobody commented on my question earlier about whether or not they've played with vezok here or elsewhere. Does that mean everyone is claiming no prior experience with vezok?
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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:59 am

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Hmmm....you make a lot of sense. I wish his play was more pro-town though.

P-edit: I have not played with vezok.
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:46 am

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Though it doesn't really matter, I am generally aware of what vezok is like. Also, it sounded like perhaps NS loaded his gun by zapping himself, since he is not PGO-ish.
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:54 am

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I have non-recent experience with vezok; I really don't remember any details.
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