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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:51 am
by Xalxe
karnos,
Vanilla Townie
, Lynched Day 2


Night 2 begins now and will last for 72 hours, or (expired on 2016-08-28 12:51:03).

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:49 am
by Xalxe
enomis,
Doctor
, Killed Night 2


Day 3 begins now and will end in 14 days, or (expired on 2016-09-11 18:49:40).

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:02 pm
by Joushi
Alright so after whatever it is that Transcend did yesterday with that quickhammer (and my apologies for not mentioning L-1, I was pushing 24 hours without sleeping while seeing a friend off and it slipped my mind), I think it's prudent that I respond to some of Karnos' accusations.

And boy must I say there was a lot of misrepresentation going on, although since he flipped town I must assume were honest mistakes.

Spoiler: Response to 784
My first post could be a chainsaw defense, I guess, if you disregard the attempt at humor.

To answer the question presented in though, why would I defend him so strenuously if he isn't my scum buddy? Well it mostly comes down to who was pushing his lynch. Throughout most of the game, my number two scumread (Transcend) has been pushing IV's lynch, and throughout D1, when I was very confident in scum!enefpe, enefpe was voting for IV (starting in ) for a full week, changing in where it felt like giving up, before jumping right back on the wagon in .

When my two biggest scumreads are pushing a lynch, that person suddenly looks VERY towny. That thought process carried me through up to the point when Enomis claimed doctor, at which point IV went from "almost assuredly town" to "probably town" based on the interactions and as Stove has pointed out, seemingly uncharacteristic posts during that period.

Almost all of the arguments made against IV in the meantime have been resting on assumptions of tells that I either don't see or don't agree with, and I called them out as I saw them. Bad scumhunting is bad.

Transcend is, was, and likely will continue to be pushing IV's lynch and has since become my #1 scumread. If it's a bus, it's a masterful bus and well played sir.

That should cover 784, on to 785!


Spoiler: Response to 785
Either I didn't explain myself throughout D1/early D2 clear enough, it got swept away in confirmation bias, or it was an intentional misrepresentation after being put at L-1. I'm leaning towards the first one honestly.

There was like, a day, where I thought Enefpe/Karnos was a sensible scumteam, but when looking back on reminds me too much of the bad scumhunting I pointed out earlier and rescinded it because it was bad scumhunting. When the pendulum swung back, I thought it swung too far because I had started to look at Karnos as if he could do no wrong, which was almost as bad as before. I'd rather remain suspicious of town than completely overlook scum.

The next few paragraphs are complete misunderstandings of the reasons I changed my vote on Karnos. At that time, I was thinking "eh Karnos miiiiiiiiiight be scum maybe" but I was still thinking Enefpe/Enomis and Transcend was the scumteam. When I discover that "omg Enomis is like almost definitely not scum" the pairing I thought clearly couldn't be accurate. Karnos was my #3 at the time, and when my #1 suddenly becomes conf-town, #3 becomes #2.

You (Karnos) changing your opinion on Enomis, as well as pushing to get Enomis to claim, are hardly why my opinion changed (and tbh it did not change that much, just the rest of the environment changed). Stove pushed for the reveal, I pushed for the reveal, Karnos pushed for the reveal, and even Transcend pushed for the reveal (which in hindsight I probably should have taken into more account). And, whoa, Stove unvoted, I unvoted, and you (Karnos) unvoted. Crazy that this then has nothing to do with why I voted for you is it?

Ultimately, like I said, it has so much more to do with the fact that my #1 dropped out of the scum-race and you as #3 jumped up to #2

Cool, that's done, let's see where we're at now.


There's only 5 of us left. Stove, near-conf-town from like page 1. Transcend, my #1 or #2 scumread since the first few pages. IV who has been near the top of my town list for forever due to the enemies he has made in the town. Penguin, who, like Karnos, jumps to my #2 because I don't think Stove or IV are more likely to be scum than Harkonnen. And me.

I'm still going to stick my guns and say that my vote currently rests with Transcend until something happens that makes me change my opinion. Do remember though we are now in LyLo so be careful and don't do what I did (put someone at L-1 unless you're SURE)
VOTE: Transcend

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:19 pm
by Transcend
Jou you need to unvote now.

It's lylo and you might get blitzed.

Massclaim. I'm vt.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:21 pm
by Transcend
I might be a cop inno and you don't even know it so unvote. Please. Joushi.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:22 pm
by Transcend
Fucking hell Xalxe i stayed up all night to make sure to tell no one to vote and you start the day late.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:27 pm
by Transcend
Great. Fucking great. Now my town read has a vote parked on me and my two scum reads can blitz.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:31 pm
by Transcend
And yes karnos was obvious town but i hammered him to shut you guys up.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:32 pm
by Transcend
Basically it's just a race to see who gets online first. The scum team or joushi.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:49 pm
by Transcend
Coo. Iv and pp were both online and haven't talked in this thread. They're plotting a blitz.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:20 pm
by innocentvillager
Joushi, you really need to unvote now. On the chance that you and transcend are both town, scum can blitz and win the game.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:32 pm
by Joushi
UNVOTE:

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:33 pm
by Transcend
okay thank you i can breathe

We need to massclaim imo.

popcorn to innocentvillager

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:35 pm
by Joushi
Sorry it's been a long time since I've played forum and didn't even think about that... I'm at work but it'll probably be slow so I'll pop in more when I can

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:38 pm
by innocentvillager
tracker

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:38 pm
by innocentvillager
im tracker

nv joushi n1
nv pp n2

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:41 pm
by Transcend
k pass the popcorn to someone else (preferably joushi or penguinpower due to iron blueclaiming on like page 1)

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:42 pm
by Transcend
if you are cop, tracker directly ccs your claim

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:43 pm
by innocentvillager
popcorn pp

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:44 pm
by innocentvillager
tbh i think the scumteam is iron/pp

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:50 pm
by innocentvillager
where is everyone??

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:13 pm
by Joushi
Yeah... no, I'm tracker

NV Enefpe/Enomis N1
NV Transcend N2

I think I'm allowed to vote now
VOTE: InnocentVillager

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:14 pm
by Transcend
that was an amazing cc i don't see from scum

VOTE: innocentvillager

if it's pp/stove and joushi i'm okay with a loss

leaning on it being pp and iv.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:16 pm
by Transcend
also ask for a speed night please

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:17 pm
by Transcend
and next game PLEASE LYNCH MY SCUMREAD FROM PAGE 1 LOL.