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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:58 pm

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Votecount

Bookitty (1) -- gorckat
gorckat (1) -- Crub

Not voting: Bookitty, Phate, soupfly
5 alive, 3 to lynch.
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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:32 pm

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I have one vote on me (Gorckat). Phate and Crub both posted; neither voted me. Both could have, thus they are not scum together.

Gorckat got one vote from Phate. If Phate were town voting for townGorckat, then when Crub voted Gorckat, if I were scum I could have voted Gorckat and won the game for scum. Thus Crub and I cannot be scum together.

Phate voted Gorckat, putting Gorckat at two votes. If I were scum with Phate, he could have left his vote there knowing I'd hammer. He did not, thus I cannot be scum with Phate.

I cannot be scum with Phate or with Crub. I could only be scum with Gorckat, by logical deduction. I’m not scum, and Phate and Crub can’t be scum together.

vote: Gorckat


(expecting Gorckat to bring up the PR he claims not to believe to try to disprove this)
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:04 pm

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Phate voted Gorckat, putting Gorckat at two votes. If I were scum with Phate, he could have left his vote there knowing I'd hammer. He did not, thus I cannot be scum with Phate.
This is faulty logic. I could have unvoted, then hammered. Of course, I'm proving right now that I'm not scum with you by posting this, but I just thought I'd point this out.

I think a full massclaim would probably be in order here, and regardless, a full claim from gorckat.
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:06 pm

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He already claimed Miller ...
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:08 pm

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Oh.

Well, how does everyone feel about a massclaim? Is there anyone that hasn't claimed yet? Crub, have you claimed?
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:08 pm

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In fact hasn't everyone already claimed now?
I'm vanilla, your vanilla, kitty is a post-restricted night-action immune (except for NK) vanilla, soup is mason and gorckat is a miller.
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:11 pm

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I'm pretty sure it's gorckat but I'm unsure of his partner. It really comes down to whether kitty is lying or not. I'm not getting strong scumvibes from either of you.

I'm ready to hammer. I'll give soupfly some time to check in with his opinions and gorckat a chance to yell at me.
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:19 pm

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Kitty wrote:vote: Gorckat
Its a little g. Like this:

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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:20 pm

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Oops.

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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:46 pm

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Final Votecount

gorckat (3) -- Crub, Bookitty, gorckat

Not voting: Phate, soupfly
5 alive, 3 to lynch.
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gorckat, like his Godfather, and indeed every lynchee so far, refuses to be taken alive, and lays down the final vote that he knows will end his life. You all stick him through the shredder, and the result is a yellowish mess. Yellow! That's not green. Which means gorckat was a member of the non green mafia, a potato to be specific. The greens are still in the race.

gorckat - Potato, Mafia Goon - lynched day 4


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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:37 pm

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Three of you remain. Your green friend soupfly did not survive the night. He was pushed off the work surface of the kitchen in the small hours of the morning, and although he was a robust vegetable, nobody could survive that fall. It's a shame, because if he was still alive, he could tell you who pushed him. As it is, you'll have to do it the old fashioned away.

soupfly - Broccoli, Mason - killed night 4


Day 5. With just 3 alive, it's 2 votes to lynch. Tread carefully.
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:07 am

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I did a thorough reread. If Crub is scum he's done an excellent job of disguising that. There's a lot of interaction (distancing, as I read it) between Phate and ryan, and Gorckat was pretty insistent that Phate's safeclaim cleared him despite dismissing the newbie claim.

That's circumstantial. This is not: Oman, now known to be the cop, was suspicious of Phate and tdp early on. I think at the point he posted here he had a guilty on Phate and an innocent on tdp, but was possibly unsure of his sanity and definitely unwilling to out himself. We know that tdp was town, so if we take the cop's word for it, Phate must be scum.

I don't see any evidence that is likely to change my mind. I very much hope I'm right.

vote: Phate
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:40 pm

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Not Scum.

Phate I want to hear what you've got to say ... Kitty I want to hear your theory how Oman could have investigated 2 people on day 1 in a day start game?
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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:41 pm

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Interesting. I could have sworn it was Crub.

Vote: Bookitty


Bookitty, I pressed first and hardest against Ryan's lynch. I was the first onto the lynchwagon and I pushed it until the end.

Also, your leap of logic between "This post could possibly indicate the cop's results" and "The cop was lying or Phate is scum" is astounding. I find it more likely that he had an innocent on Crub, because he put Crub in his townlist and didn't ever say why. I believe I mentioned that at the beginning of D2, and he blew me off.
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:46 pm

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vote:Bookitty
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:00 pm

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Final Votecount

Bookitty (2) -- Phate, Crub
Phate (1) -- Bookitty

Not Voting: Nobody
3 alive, 2 to lynch.
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Despite the warnings to tread carefully, it is very quickly decided that Bookitty must be the one to go. She's different, she has a post restriction. She probably doesn't belong here. Phate and Crub easily overpower Bookitty, a tiny pea, and turn her into a mushy pea. A pea may seem insignificant, but believe it or not, the loss of this pea means that Phate can now be overpowered by Crub, the last surviving non green, and sent flying off the edge of the work top, to meet soupfly on the kitchen floor.

Bookitty - Pea, Ascetic - lynched day 5


Phate - Lettuce, Vanilla Townie - killed in the endgame


The Non Green Mafia (Crub, gorckat and ryan) win!
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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:11 pm

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Carrot (Non Green, Godfather)
You are the king of the non-greens! You are simply FED UP of people saying: “eat your greens!” I mean, what about you and the others? That’s just victimisation! As a result, you have joined up with fellow non-greens Potato (XXXXXXX, Goon) and Parsnip (XXXXXX, Goon) so you can overthrow the veggie supremacy once and for all. As non-green godfather, you are responsible for sending me the name of one player every night, as well as a designated non-green killer. You will kill that person.

You also have some handy abilities. One thing people do say about carrots is that they help you to see in the dark. Well, you have NIGHT VISION. This means that you can see when people target you at night and you can repel them! Night actions, therefore, do not affect you in any way.

The non-greens killed some green-veggies beforehand in a secret mutiny. Maybe you could assume their identities? After all, they sure won’t be appearing on the greens’ side! We can give your team three, one each: Asparagus, Green Pepper and Spinach.

You win when the non-greens hold a majority in Veggieville and nothing can cause this to change.
Potato (Non Green, Goon)
You are a non-green! You are simply FED UP of people saying: “eat your greens!” I mean, what about you and the others? That’s just victimisation! As a result, you have joined up with fellow non-greens Carrot (XXXXX, Godfather) and Parsnip (XXXXXX, Goon) so you can overthrow the veggie supremacy once and for all. As a non-green, you have the power to send one name every night along with a designated non-green killer. You will kill that person.

Sadly, even though you caused mass famine in Ireland in the 19th Century, causing a huge historical migration, you have no special abilities and are just a Goon.

The non-greens killed some green-veggies beforehand in a secret mutiny. Maybe you could assume their identities? After all, they sure won’t be appearing on the greens’ side! We can give your team three, one each: Asparagus, Green Pepper and Spinach.

You win when the non-greens hold a majority in Veggieville and nothing can cause this to change.
Parsnip (Non Green, Goon)
You are a non-green! You are simply FED UP of people saying: “eat your greens!” I mean, what about you and the others? That’s just victimisation! As a result, you have joined up with fellow non-greens Carrot (XXXXX, Godfather) and Potato (XXXXXX, Goon) so you can overthrow the veggie supremacy once and for all. As a non-green, you have the power to send one name every night along with a designated non-green killer. You will kill that person.

Sadly, even though everyone thinks you are very tasty, you have no special abilities and are just a Goon.

The non-greens killed some green-veggies beforehand in a secret mutiny. Maybe you could assume their identities? After all, they sure won’t be appearing on the greens’ side! We can give your team three, one each: Asparagus, Green Pepper and Spinach.

You win when the non-greens hold a majority in Veggieville and nothing can cause this to change.
Broccoli (Green, Mason)
There is conflict in Veggieville! Will the greens survive the turmoil?

As Broccoli, you have a secret weapon up your sleeve. You can be mixed closely with Cauliflower, so much that a special hybrid, Broccoflower, has been found. As a result of your close bond together, you and Cauliflower (XXXX) are masons – you know for sure that XXXXXX is innocent. You and XXXXX may also talk during the night phases, although you have no choice.

You win when all the non-greens have been eliminated from Veggieville.
Cauliflower (Green, Mason)
There is conflict in Veggieville! Will the greens survive the turmoil?

As Cauliflower, you have a secret weapon up your sleeve. You can be mixed closely with Broccoli, so much that a special hybrid, Broccoflower, has been found. As a result of your close bond together, you and Broccoli (XXXX) are masons – you know for sure that XXXXXX is innocent. You and XXXXX may also talk during the night phases, although you have no choice.

You win when all the non-greens have been eliminated from Veggieville.
Brussels Sprout (Green, Vigilante)
There is conflict in Veggieville! Will the greens survive the turmoil?

… Wait. What’s that smell?

YOU.

As Brussels Sprout, you’ve garnered an… “interesting” reputation, to say the least. Let’s see – in the UK in 2002, you were labelled distinctly as Britain’s least favourite vegetable. Ouch.

However, it’s not all bad news here – you have some power. Because of your hideous smell, you can actually kill other veggies. Every night, you may send me the name of one player. That player, so overcome by the vile smell, will be killed… pretty gruesome, huh?

You win when all the non-greens have been eliminated from Veggieville.
Lettuce
There is conflict in Veggieville! Will the greens survive the turmoil?

But, I’ve got to be honest with you here. You’re Lettuce. And you’re not exactly exciting – always left on the plate, you don’t really set taste-buds on fire. So, yeah. You don’t have any cool powers – just your vote and your wits to catch non-greens. No night-powers at all. Good luck.

You win when all the non-greens have been eliminated from Veggieville.
Leek
There is conflict in Veggieville! Will the greens survive the turmoil?

But, I’ve got to be honest with you here. You’re Leak. And you’re not exactly an inspiring vegetable, if that exists. If it did exist, it wouldn’t be you anyway. You’re kinda boring, really. So, yeah. You don’t have any cool powers – just your vote and your wits to catch non-greens. No night-powers at all. Good luck.

You win when all the non-greens have been eliminated from Veggieville.
Cucumber
There is conflict in Veggieville! Will the greens survive the turmoil?

But, I’ve got to be honest with you here. You’re Cucumber. Although theoretically you could be a pretty powerful vegetable, sadly in this case you are a bit squishy. So, yeah. You don’t have any cool powers – just your vote and your wits to catch non-greens. No night-powers at all. Good luck.

You win when all the non-greens have been eliminated from Veggieville.
Cabbage
There is conflict in Veggieville! Will the greens survive the turmoil?

But, I’ve got to be honest with you here. You’re Cabbage. I don’t ever like you, nor do lots of others. Basically, if a veggie was gonna get abilities, it sure as hell wouldn’t be you. So, yeah. You don’t have any cool powers – just your vote and your wits to catch non-greens. No night-powers at all. Good luck.

You win when all the non-greens have been eliminated from Veggieville.
Green Bean
There is conflict in Veggieville! Will the greens survive the turmoil?

You are Green Bean. And, wow. There are so many variations of you in the world, which is quite amazing, really…

Since you have so many variations, you are pretty specialised in knowing if another veggie is a green bean, and you’ve expanded that to include all greens. So, you have a useful power. Indeed, every night, you may PM me the name of one player, and I will tell you whether or not he is a green vegetable. Use your power wisely…

You win when all the non-greens have been eliminated from Veggieville.
Pea
There is conflict in Veggieville! Will the greens survive the turmoil?

Sadly, you’re Pea. And that’s pretty unfortunate. I mean, look at you. You are so small, and useless – forks can’t spear you without causing your self-destruction. You’re rather problematic, really…

As a result, your opinion isn’t exactly that important. So, you know, we’re gonna give you a post restriction. Your posts can only include 150 words. This does include quotes, but doesn’t include voting and unvoting. I will check every post for this. Further, you can only post twice at maximum per page. You get 3 strikes (where I will permit errors), but after this you will be modkilled. So, this sucks.

But, there is one perk to your role. You are so tiny that certain night actions won’t have any effect on you. Indeed, you are immune to everything except nightkills.

You win when all the non-greens have been eliminated from Veggieville.
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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:13 pm

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Nightactions


Night 1
Mafia kills Y
Oman (cop) investigates thedragonsprincess (innocent)
destructor (vig) kills thinktank

Night 2
Mafia kills Oman
Oman (cop) investigates Crub (guilty)
destructor (vig) kills Oman

Night 3
Mafia kills destructor
destructor (vig) chooses not to kill

Night 4
Mafia kills soupfly
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:22 pm

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G'dammit! I had crub pegged D2.

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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:24 pm

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Good game everyone :) I was going to hammer Phate but then, got paranoid about kitty being alive in endgame.
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:27 pm

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I think the main thing I noticed about this game was the fact that the first 4 lynches were all self hammers. It's not so bad for scum, who may want to shut down conversation, but the two townie self hammers were awful. If they show up and see this, and to anyone else even considering it, don't self hammer as town. It's terrible play.
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:36 pm

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Crub wrote:I was going to hammer Phate but then, got paranoid about kitty being alive in endgame.
You thought a pea would be too strong for you in endgame? :)
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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:28 pm

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Yeah basically :P I kept thinking that there is no way that kitty could have all those negatives without a positive in there somewhere :) And the vote/reasoning for Phate was just too good to be true :P

Townies self-hammering was like a wtf moment both times :) I'm still pissed at the ryan self-hammer, the only thing we talked about night 0 was how important it was that ryan lived to endgame :)

Oh also the Vanilla claims by Phate/tdp day 1, helped us out a lot.
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:46 pm

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OMG the suspense all day at work was killing me!

Second Patrick on the town self-hammers. They were awful.

I couldn't decide if I should have self-hammered at the end of the last page, or let it go like I did. Once I realized it was pretty unanimous that everyone had me as scum, I just did it.

I was hoping my miller claim was seeded well enough (I
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been trying to breadcrumb it) and audacious enough to work, but the whole SK thing was a giant mistake on my part. I felt I could double talk myself enough to make it seem like a trappy, if bad, play until I realized both the people I had Kitty as scum with were killed :P

Day 1 I tried to find a way to go on the sword for ryan way too late. I was thinking that if I went down and he got looked at, that he might get by. Destructor no doubt would have taken him out.

Oh- and major LOL's on my part:
me wrote:She's tied for my top two as well. She's been pretty useless today, not offering anything.

unvote vote: thedragonprincess
PM to Patrick wrote:Not to be pushy, but I just tried to throw myslef on the sword quicklynching tdp...can yo lock the thread before people get to have a hissy fit :p Pretty please Laughing
Patrick to me wrote:Unless I'm counting it wrongly, you only put her at 3 votes. Did you miss the Bookitty unvote?
PM to Patrick wrote:Crap Laughing

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Crub wrote:You do realise that's a hammer right?
me wrote:No, it wasn't. It was putting one of my top suspects at -1. Sorry I wasn't explicit, but I assumed people were following along.
I was alternating between ROFL and OMFGWTF the whole time :P

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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:59 pm

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haha I was laughing hard at that :)

I am so surprised that des didn't nk night 3. I had him pegged as one-shot at that point, but I should have realised that he also targetted Oman night 2.

Anyway this game was a heap of fun :) I got to nk Oman <3

Thanks Aimee/Patrick for running it for us :)
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