Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[Wisdom]

why not just have the vig shoot ugly
if he doesnt die hes conf traitor

[Wisdom]

if he's traitor, why would he know goon cop is a role?

im assuming scum care about the setup

[Mathdino]

bad take

Hi there, [name]! You are a Mafia Traitor. Your mafia partners are [name] and [name]. They do know of your existence, but do not know your identity. They may choose to recruit you. If they do not, you will have a 1-shot bulletproof ability, and you’ll take over the factional kills of scum once they have died.

this is the mafia traitor PM
there's 0 reason he would go and check up and give a shit about possible TPRs

also shooting ugly is lame

objectively there's a slight but minimal chance that shooting ugly shoots a PR

and given my personal history, the very fact that i'm scumreading him means it's possible that shoots a PR

shooting espeonage is guaranteed, and it'll satisfy JJD's bloodlust so i can work with him better tomorrow

[UglyDuck]

why not just have the vig shoot ugly
if he doesnt die hes conf traitor

That makes sense?
Except it doesn't in an infinite amount of ways.\

I'll make it easy. Switch the wagon up. I am VT. lynch me instead and Vig if there use your shot somewhere that is not TW.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: the worst

don't fall fori t

[the worst]

UNVOTE:

Out for a bit, seeya later

pedit ok fine

[the worst]

[UglyDuck]

VOTE: the worst

don't fall fori t

Town wouldn't do this. No one is that arrogant.

[Wisdom]

this is the mafia traitor PM
there's 0 reason he would go and check up and give a shit about possible TPRs

eh
i expect a newb scum who rolls traitor to check up on what town might have, like if they have something that can catch him or kill him
a vt ignoring the setup and just playing is a little more plausible

[Mathdino]

okay guys let's wrap it up

i'm not lynching uglyduck today

let's get our scumflip before we start going off on "who could possibly be the traitor" speculation

FWIW i now don't really think uglyduck is scum (this plan is basically suicide for his whole team if he is) but i understand having to lynch him

i think the (unrecruited) traitor is in {Wisdom, Maria, Espeonage}
very likely not in brassherald

[Nauci]

was that hammer

[Nauci]

but i hef so meny questions

[Wisdom]

i still see ugly as most likely
what is the town motivation in trying to save the worst here

[Mathdino]

My Catch Up.

the worst is not looking great to me. His analysis is minimal, he looks to be fake scum hunting to me. Then he has this, quite bluntly, bullshit read of me sounding guarded because I was VLA, I guess. Or I fluff posted during the RVS stage. Even his Beef vote is pretty weak, with "I missed 206" Where is ANY analysis from him? Quick answer, there's nothing. Closest he has gotten is reviewing Thor's posts, which does not include analysis.

Nauci is pretty okay so far. 233 in particular shows some work coming from the slot. Trying to build up reads and cases and the such is pretty good. I'd like more content in the future, but when she feels better.

Beefster is doing what I believe to be the biggest scum tells 0 analysis, promise to read more people, and not much else. I'd still be cool with a lynch on this slot.

Thor665 and his BG claim ideas and walls and walls of quotes have me on edge. Let me first settle with my two cents on claims. Don't. No one should claim on Day 1 unless they are L-1 on day 1. It doesn't matter if there is a BG or not, it's dumb to claim early. We should be hiding which PRs came out and who the PRs are. We should also not let the scum know if there is not a BG. Thor, if you are town, stop being an idiot. I'd be willing to lynch this because he is very good, and I do not see the town motivation of his posts right now. Beef is still my vote for the time being, though.

Espeonage I don't see much at all from this slot other than 151 which gives me town vibes, but nothing I can put to words.

MariaR I have seen her before, I don't get how she does reads. At the same time, I hate policy lynches and won't participate in one.

Wisdom I hate when people guess the entire scum team on Day 1 and he did exactly that in 176. It's another dumb thing that you shouldn't do as town. I think it's ineffective and creates a confirmation bias later on if one of your guesses is actually right. I'm also just assuming that Wisdom has random guesses because he refuses to share his analysis with anyone in every game.

UglyDuck has 5 posts, but I'm willing to townlean based on 192 for the time being.

Mathdino is frustrating to play with and going way too in depth with the setup speculation in my opinion. I'm also going to lodge my complaint once again with his trying to tell us all where to lynch. I've never seen his scum game, and would assume it is quite good, but I'm not lynching him today, he's got enough actual analysis hidden amongst his ridiculous amounts of setup speculation that I'm not moving toward him. Plus, he is arguing against this BG claim idea, and I don't think scum would.

Judge Joseph Dredd is arguing against the BG claim as well, so that's enough for me to not lynch him on it's own. He's also tunnelling hard on Thor, which is more town than scum because scum wants to BS reads, call them out to everyone and push them. Tunnels as scum make no sense to me.

Can we lynch beef?

wait fuck is this signaling that he knows the entire scumteam? his scumreads are literally beefster and the worst lol
brassherald is either a legend or is the traitor
thing is it's within his townrange to be a legend XD

no it wasn't, but i'm going to be pestering everyone to hammer him in the next 48 hours

[MariaR]

more to say after league and nap

[MariaR]

I'm prob gonna end up hammering this and when it flips town the vig shoots judge wisdom or math

[Mathdino]

i still see ugly as most likely
what is the town motivation in trying to save the worst here

because he's of that group of people that loses games by being unwilling to lynch claimed PRs?

townies like him lost 711, i see that kind of thought process as perfectly valid

[Mathdino]

I'm prob gonna end up hammering this and when it flips town the vig shoots judge wisdom or math

fantastic, this is a scumclaim on TW townflip

[Wisdom]

unwilling to lynch pr is one thing, claiming vt and asking to be lynched?

[UglyDuck]

i still see ugly as most likely
what is the town motivation in trying to save the worst here

because he's of that group of people that loses games by being unwilling to lynch claimed PRs?

townies like him lost 711, i see that kind of thought process as perfectly valid

Mind your manners sir! The reason that game was lost was because no one went back and read all the content.

[MariaR]

I'm prob gonna end up hammering this and when it flips town the vig shoots judge wisdom or math

fantastic, this is a scumclaim on TW townflip

got it

[Nauci]

everyone hold the fuck up

pls no hammer

i have many thoughts to think but I'm still high on morphine

we have so many days left let's not rush

we could wake up 4-2 tomorrow if everything gets fucked up

[Nauci]

nothing about d2 has made any sense goddamnit

TW and UD made smart words on D1 IIRC but now sound like I'm the least drugged one here

I haven't sorted out Math motivations

and I need to ISO wisdom again because I can't tell if scum or wise man from the mountain

[Mathdino]

everyone hold the fuck up

pls no hammer

i have many thoughts to think but I'm still high on morphine

we have so many days left let's not rush

we could wake up 4-2 tomorrow if everything gets fucked up

jesus how bad is your flu lol

UNVOTE:

wait for the IC i guess

i'm not lynching outside of the worst today though, nauci

[Nauci]

flu is over but my autoimmune disease had a flare up of the decade