Newbie 1867 - Game Over

[Draynth]

Also, speaking of teacher,

@Teacher

What are your reads / who do you want to lynch today?

Same question to NSG and Nacho.
I'll try to do the same thing ASAP (probably tomorrow / friday)

[Scioness Sajj]

i didn't because it has '@nancy'

meaning i was considering it on my own and didn't answer because it wasn't directed at me.

why does it matter?

[Draynth]

idk it just seemed weird in retrospect

Also yeah I think I missed the @nancy there

[Scioness Sajj]

oh, okay

[TheRampage]

I really don't like how he popped in said one thing and then left either.

yeah, well i guess that's how rampage is going to play this game?

I left cause I am at work. I am a chef, so I use my hands and don't sit at a PC. I just got off. Still, I will flip green, so as I said in Day 1, there was probably scum on my wagon and Ircher's. So to me, it is best, even if I get lynched today, that we examine who was on the lynches

[vulcan logician]

I really don't like how he popped in said one thing and then left either.

yeah, well i guess that's how rampage is going to play this game?

I left cause I am at work. I am a chef, so I use my hands and don't sit at a PC. I just got off. Still, I will flip green, so as I said in Day 1, there was probably scum on my wagon and Ircher's. So to me, it is best, even if I get lynched today, that we examine who was on the lynches

Seeing how things unfolded yesterday, I have you slotted as "scum-until-proven-town." I'm sure you understand why. You kind of set yourself up for it.

VOTE: Rampage

[TheRampage]

I really don't like how he popped in said one thing and then left either.

yeah, well i guess that's how rampage is going to play this game?

I left cause I am at work. I am a chef, so I use my hands and don't sit at a PC. I just got off. Still, I will flip green, so as I said in Day 1, there was probably scum on my wagon and Ircher's. So to me, it is best, even if I get lynched today, that we examine who was on the lynches

Seeing how things unfolded yesterday, I have you slotted as "scum-until-proven-town." I'm sure you understand why. You kind of set yourself up for it.

VOTE: Rampage

By all means, I understand. I just people to seriously look at those who were on both mine and Ircher's bandwagons yesterday. I will flip town, and I would say there was at least 1 scum pushing both our Lynch's. I think Teacher was the one on Ircher and Scioness is the one on me.

[Scioness Sajj]

where are the obvtowns when you need them

[Scioness Sajj]

Two of {draynth, nsg, teacher}?

Or {rampage, vulcan, nacho}?

[vulcan logician]

I really don't like how he popped in said one thing and then left either.

yeah, well i guess that's how rampage is going to play this game?

I left cause I am at work. I am a chef, so I use my hands and don't sit at a PC. I just got off. Still, I will flip green, so as I said in Day 1, there was probably scum on my wagon and Ircher's. So to me, it is best, even if I get lynched today, that we examine who was on the lynches

Seeing how things unfolded yesterday, I have you slotted as "scum-until-proven-town." I'm sure you understand why. You kind of set yourself up for it.

VOTE: Rampage

By all means, I understand. I just people to seriously look at those who were on both mine and Ircher's bandwagons yesterday. I will flip town, and I would say there was at least 1 scum pushing both our Lynch's. I think Teacher was the one on Ircher and Scioness is the one on me.

A little early to be postulating scumteams. That can lead to confirmation bias. (Though what you say

is

intriguing.)

[Draynth]

@TR
Who is scum?

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: northsidegal

1) NSG's progression from scumreading Ircher to voting for Rampage is absolutely terrible. NSG scumreads Ircher for pretty much the entire game until she makes this pair of posts:

scioness, talk to me about your townread on ircher?

i honestly think both ircher and rampage could both be scum (individually, of course - i doubt partnered together), but if you're townreading ircher i could be convinced to vote rampage over him.

given rampage's VT soft right there i think that actually makes him the optimal lynch over ircher (assuming ircher hasn't claimed somewhere before and i've just missed it)

VOTE: rampage

NSG dropping her top scumread in such a nonchalant way tells us that she doesn't actually care about her scumread at all which would be fine if she made even the slightest effort to develop it or evolve it but there's nothing in her entire ISO. The way she approaches Scioness about Ircher is all sorts of slippery and unnatural; not only does she sound like she wants to be convinced, but she finds the slightest reason to switch ("haha! rampage claims VT and thus it is optimal to lynch him!"). I'd imagine that she, as scum, either decided that she didn't want to vote with her buddy on the Icher wagon at the time {teacher, Rampage, vulcan}, or that three townies pushing Ircher was enough for her to kick back and wait until it went through.

2) The depth of her thought process from this game compared to other completed towngames is... jarring. I'm interested to hear Scioness's take here since Scioness has a bead on her meta, but this is typically one of the easier things to notice from game to game and often one of the more fruitful ones.

3) 790 is... a scummy post. The concept of "oh we have to lynch Rampage and it's okay if he's town because I wouldn't want him around in LyLo" is a remarkably odd one after you've just mislynched - if you never actually try to hit scum, then mafia becomes a popularity contest. The reminder to check whether the wagons were T/T or T/S is unnatural when NSG hasn't even resolved the question of "is rampage town or mafia?" yet. I can't help but think NSG is better than that.

[Draynth]

Right, this might not be optimal play but having reviewed the alciel/NSG ISO after nacho's post above I'm happy with this.

I'm hardclaiming Town Cop, I got a mafia result on Teacher last night.

VOTE: Teacher

Interestingly every one of Teacher's mentions of NSG has been a null read, and I think that what Nacho said above also makes a lot of sense to potentially a Teacher / NSG scumteam.
To note: NSG hasn't meantioned teacher

once

.

If NSG were to flip green I'd perhaps look at TR? A lot of null mentions there by Teacher aswell. I'm not great at reading interactions though, I mostly focused on the middleground of readslists by Teacher rather than the town/scum extremities.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Teacher

That was the proper move. Teacher was a strong guess for the partner.

[Draynth]

I figure taking it to a 4v1 are great odds for town, even better if we have a JK or something.

It should be a given that when Teacher flips red, if we have a JK / Doc they need to protect me tonight. That way we can play follow the cop and close this game out with ease.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm very confident in Rampage and Vulcan town, and that confidence is bolstered by nancy's reads there. Draynth has no reason to claim cop as scum in this situation. For one, he's not a high priority lynch target for the town (no one's gearing up to lynch him), teacher's not a high priority mislynch target=, and so this going through doesn't bring him a large advantage.

If he is fakeclaiming and there's an investigative or something that contradicts, you have no reason to counterclaim (unless you have a guilty on someone else or useful information) - we can lynch him tomorrow, you'll have more information then.

[Nachomamma8]

If he is fakeclaiming and there's an investigative or something that contradicts, you have no reason to counterclaim (unless you have a guilty on someone else or useful information) - we can lynch him tomorrow, you'll have more information then.

I'm sorry, I'm not being clear:

If you are a COP or a JAILKEEPER, Draynth is lying. It is my personal opinion that if you are either of those things, you should stay quiet for now - Draynth outs himself if teacher flips town, and if Draynth is for some ungodly reason scum fakeclaiming a guilty on his partner, we win immediately. If you'd like me to expand on this in any way, let me know.

[TheRampage]

VOTE: Teacher

We have to do what town cop says right. Plus he was one of my reads. I feel he will flip scum. No reason for mafia to out themselves for a fake scum read when the lynch was sure fire going to be me. Guys, unvote me and go for Teacher. If he flips town, we know 1 scum for sure to lynch and when the odds are better, we can get back to me.

[TheRampage]

If this comes through right, I am gonna be so mad that I backed off my initial scum read from Day 1.

[Draynth]

(1 more and he's lynched by the way)

[Draynth]

Actually since it's somewhat likely I get NK'd (and someone could hammer + the thread get's locked at any point) I think NSG is the likely partner to teacher.

Outside of that I'd rather not say cause it feeds into WIFOM and it'll probably just need to be left up to the remaining townies to figure out.

[Draynth]

Does anyone have any questions for me? I can't imagine they do but we may aswell make use of any time we do have

[Draynth]

UNVOTE: Teacher

Just so Teacher can't selfvote / his partner hammer as a 'naive townie' tp prevent information

[Scioness Sajj]

Yeah, don't hammer yet

I will be here later but I don't think there's much for me to say anyways

[Huntress]

bump