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In post 797, Keyser Söze wrote:TW and Irrelephant - do you town read eachother as highly as eachother?

I have the feeling Relly townreads me more than I townread Relly but I'm.... comfortable.

First thoughts when catching up:

Irrelephant seems to be really happy to town-read Voxel, which is kind of weirding me out.

In post 632, Irrelephant11 wrote:

In post 384, Keyser Söze wrote:

In post 377, Irrelephant11 wrote:My one thought without fully catching up is this seems like a towny volxen, unless he’s trying very very hard to improve his scumgame (no nuance there)

Improvement noticed too... would like to witness wider focus though.

is this you saying he's "improved scum" or that he's town?
It's theoretically possible this is his improved scumgame (and he's tryhard enough to get there) but it's a BIG jump from easy-to-lynch-d1 scum!volxen from WW

In post 632, Irrelephant11 wrote:without nuance
haha to explain further he seems to really struggle as scum to come up with thought-out reasoning for his reads. His reads aren't perfect but the amount of thought that goes into them shows a lot about his alignment (I think he's almost certainly town here)

He’d have to be bullshiting hard for it to be a lie.

In post 632, Irrelephant11 wrote:

In post 390, LabRat01 wrote:how does volx play as scum?

Still don't really understand volxen's scumread of labrat? Like it seemed like it came from "there has to be 1 scum in {tw, labrat}" and imo tw is scummier here

I find it off though that he’d use a non-personal way of talking to them here though.
I mean, if volx is really sooo townie to him, I think it would be more natural to treat him as town and just simply ask him about his reads instead of doing that from a distance. That’s used more often when you’re judging someone, which feels kinda weird here considering irre’s enthusiasm while TRing volx.

It doesn’t really give me a strong read on him, but it’s just sth I wanted to mention.

In post 632, Irrelephant11 wrote:

In post 398, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Labrat, well, I'm getting plenty of scum pings there.

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Overall I think Labrat is scum and led a wagon on TW
And when he saw it wasn't going anywhere unvoted

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I led the wagon on tw. Does that change your read on labrat at all?

Bleh

In post 634, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: keyser

I don’t remember you saying much about keyser, can you link me to your read on him (if you wrote one)?

In post 650, the worst wrote: (she did push some buuuullshit with aggression which I think she would agree with post-game (a la scum!me bahaha))

（´υ｀）

In post 650, the worst wrote:I'm sorry :( labrat is either town or scum with keyser and keyser's later against her makes him read unaligned with her so like 60% of the time she's town but it's not a great confidence read

Why can’t we be TvS?

In post 699, Creature wrote:

In post 677, volxen wrote:You don't seem to have a genuine interest in solving this game.

And you consider yourself to be solving the game just because you found the perfect person to focus on while doing nothing else?

What is your read on tw?

In post 709, Eragon wrote:

In post 707, the worst wrote:sup

Eragonna kick some scum butt?

yes my bready friend.

I've played this set-up before , albeit from the opposite side, and it was extremely mind-game fun

Oof, that’s dumb, like, extremely dumb, but it’s giving me town vibes

I don’t think I’ve ever seen eragon meme so hard btw

The read on creat is kind of easy, but not really weird considering that eragon hasn’t read anything from the thread yet

In post 724, Eragon wrote:612 I also want an explanation from lab

From how I understood it, people were SRing Creat here because he tends to freeze as scum (lurks while badly pretending to be doing anything?), also if I understood it right, he’s not good at interacting with the townies as scum and has way worse reads than when playing town.
I haven’t seen any game where he’d be scum yet, but that’s what I understood about his scum meta so far. From what I know, he isn’t anywhere close to helpful as town either, but most of the time is sort of readable? (or at least that’s what other people say)

In the early game I kind of refrained from reading him because of my bad experiences with his town meta, but I didn’t like his interactions with TW in the mid-game. (515 and most of the interactions earlier (you can read the page and the previous one and it should be ok))
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In short, TW was SRing Creat since quite a while and started interacting with him to get sth out of him and Creat responded mostly by empty-posting and refusing to do stuff while explaining it as town motivated/normal for him.
It kind of felt like he was just getting salty that people were SRing him, when he’s been doing similar stuff in his bad town games and refused to contribute not because he wasn’t able to, but “just for the sake of proving his point“. (which comes more often form scum than town imo)

And 515 and 516 kind of did it for me. Like, I think it’s rather common knowledge that hard jesting for reaction tests is a really bad way to get reads. Noobs may do it sometimes, but it’s weird seeing it coming from someone who played for a few years
It felt like absolute bullshit to me

I mean, I do have bad experiences with reading creat and the stuff about his town meta sometimes being shitty were true, but even if that’s true, if he’s gonna be unreadable and if he’s claiming to be doing it on purpose, I do not have any reason to waste my time by keeping him alive in the game. Just no

His latest posts were better though

In post 682, Creature wrote:

In post 678, ManateeDude wrote:Creature (4) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst, Keyser Söze, volxen

First, this is never all town, specially if I'm town.

All of them reaching to the same wrong conclusion simply never happens in mafia history.

That was kinda townie.
The fact that he takes his “scum-flip” into probability when talking about interaction reads is not sth I think often comes from stressed scum.

In post 692, Creature wrote:

In post 690, the worst wrote:

In post 688, Creature wrote:Also I'm pretty sure scum are aware of the "oh scum will always townread town!creature", so likely they'd try to break it like this game.

waht.

like, it's pretty usual for scum to townread me because I will obvtown and they will look bad if I don't.

So they could push me as scum and when they turn to be wrong they can use the argument above.

And maaaybe that

I also kinda liked his “farting” read on volx, but meh

he kind of jumped up for me from an: "absolutely lynch" position to sth like: "yeah, ok.... go on..."

In post 727, the worst wrote: I'm starting to wonder if I'm being wrong and Creature is actually willing to be bad town to fix his lopsided meta

Oh :/
But on that level it wouldn’t really make sense

In post 731, Eragon wrote:im not doing any more big posts due to MY GODDAMN TESTS THAT I STILL NEED TO STUDY FOR

(good news: one got moved back to thursday)
(bad news: i still have 3 in the next 2 days)

Oof, and I thought I had it hard

In post 734, Eragon wrote:this is what i feel needs to happen for heaven phase

Heaven 1: send the towniest person we can spare(basically mislynch bait)

Kind of agree, but don’t go overboard with it
everyone’s got different reads anyway, so honestly, any kind of townie-looking lynch except the super confident/helpful ones will be plenty good

They exist

Just finished a scumgame

I'll probably just let you find the tells there.

In post 804, LabRat01 wrote:Why can’t we be TvS?

I think you are!! that's what that post said <3
there's a manipulative feeling in the keyser=>you interactions which I just can't see in t/t yet

could be wrong but it feels.... weird.......

In post 727, the worst wrote:I'm starting to wonder if I'm being wrong and Creature is actually willing to be bad town to fix his lopsided meta

Huh? I'm not being bad town.

In post 806, LabRat01 wrote:farting

this is a really really good post

If the consensus scumreads are Keyser and I, then obviously I'm gonna have different opinions.

In post 813, Creature wrote:

In post 727, the worst wrote:I'm starting to wonder if I'm being wrong and Creature is actually willing to be bad town to fix his lopsided meta

Huh? I'm not being bad town.

you're certainly not being good town ergo this is a scumclaim

In post 815, Creature wrote:If the consensus scumreads are Keyser and I, then obviously I'm gonna have different opinions.

Just because I don't agree with you there, doesn't mean I'm bad town.

stop whinging and play the game more then :p

Like, if I townread both Jekill and volxen, who would be left to scumread? Carmen, Lefty and LabRat?

In post 818, the worst wrote:stop whinging and play the game more then :p

Sure

(even though I'm the top poster)

(or atleast used to be)

P.Edit
About the heaven lynch, I think I’d be fine with volx after all
That’s not personally my strong SR, but if he really is scum (I'm kind of tempted to believe in the TRs on him, but meh), that’s a very valuable flip to get (even if it’s a heaven lynch imo)
I really doubt that scum would just remain idle if they got such a wonderful opportunity to get rid of one of them to heaven and only 2 people (as far as I remember) seemed to strongly push them being town

In post 766, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: eragon

Elaborate please (or quote the read cuz your posts are long and I might have missed it xd )

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I disagree with most of it, but I think volx’s read on eragon was good

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And sorry, that’s just a catchup, I got back like 2 hours ago, so I haven’t been able to do anything yet
Going to sleep rn, but I will 100% have time to work on my reads tomorrow
Sry for that

In post 822, LabRat01 wrote:P.Edit
About the heaven lynch, I think I’d be fine with volx after all
That’s not personally my strong

TR

, but if he really is scum (I'm kind of tempted to believe in the TRs on him, but meh), that’s a very valuable flip to get (even if it’s a heaven lynch imo)
I really doubt that scum would just remain idle if they got such a wonderful opportunity to get rid of one of them to heaven and only 2 people (as far as I remember) seemed to strongly push them being town

In post 766, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: eragon

Elaborate please (or quote the read cuz your posts are long and I might have missed it xd )

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I disagree with most of it, but I think volx’s read on eragon was good

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And sorry, that’s just a catchup, I got back like 2 hours ago, so I haven’t been able to do anything yet
Going to sleep rn, but I will 100% have time to work on my reads tomorrow
Sry for that

In post 820, Creature wrote:

In post 818, the worst wrote:stop whinging and play the game more then :p

Sure

(even though I'm the top poster)

You are shitting on the thread
Congrats