Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

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i'm not saying i believe that happened btw

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do you mean suji? that's what we're seeing from them funnily enough.

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like all the people voting Joey are town in that universe, keep in mind

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this is not the same as believing that that happened, etc.

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oh i never checked my role pm i was scum the whole time that explains it

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this is starting to feel very baton pass

i think that joey is scum but i'm finding it difficult to confidently call anyone else scum

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what did i do wrong in baton pass

i valued my reasons to townread people incorrectly

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does "if shoshin was scum fuck everyone for not voting her d1" count as a reason to townread shoshin

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if I were to "learn my lesson from baton pass" I would go back to my earliest read which is menajoey1t1s but that doesn't exactly say a whole lot about the remaining slots

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it scares me that all of a sudden everyone's opening to lynching joey tbh

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technically my absolute first read was Joey/GL

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ok so mechanically

if i still believe suji is town

all i need to do is hit 1 scum over the next 2 days

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so just

pick the scumteams i think are possible and those that aren't

and find a way to remove all of them in 2 lynches

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First question

Is Pisskop!slot -> GL an option

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As in, am I willing to lose to a hypothetical Joey-Norway scumteam

for that matter, what scumteam exactly am I willing to lose to

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But like
like

To get me to vote not you

You need to argue why someone else is scum

Like you're trying to townspew without causing anyone but if all 3 of you are town you're still my preferred lynch?

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there was no town incentive to rail so hard for the lynch there on an obviously bad wagon.

Yeah like this really feels like a scum-scum push
It's essentially calling Titus scum for not recognizing a wagon is bad and I think that GL has had more than enough experience with Titus

Still haven't heard from him about PK doing this weird thing that he wasn't actually doing.

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It's like

Weirdly

Every scum in all of my recent games has rly overperformed

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Man sujis not scum

And I find it really hard to grok

Joey voting Suji here as town

Like Suji isn't the vote

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GuiltyLion Oct 08, 09:07pm Nov 05, 10:35pm 3 days 7 hours 99

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my only scumread isn't posting.

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Why does DrCirno in that scumteam put himself in with the two people I've called obvtown and not even case one of them

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I mean.

The point is to get a more difficult mislynch today and save designated lynchbait for later.

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I mean. If it's like Joey/GL which seems most likely atm

This is exactly the kind of setup I'd expect

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Based on what was known about my reads yesterday

Joey could make this pool and expect to live.

I don't think Cirno can say that confidently and I don't think Suji scum is a thing.

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ok

i'm starting to feel measurably better, i'm going to tackle this game in a couple days

would appreciate if you unvoted until i got back suji

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son, have you seen the world

what would you say if I said that you could?

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lol

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ok tomorrow's my big entrance

but 3 things for today

1) Joey_ claims to believe that both of the other people in the hood are town. Joey_ is playing extremely survivalistic and using a lot of AtE about how he should be town read in the face of other people who he claims to be town. If he believes that the others in the hood are town, and that they've done a good job of projecting themselves as town, why the survivalism? Why the aversion to being lynched over two other townies?
2) Joey isn't saying anything about Norway calling him scum. His AtE has all been directed at me. Joey's been consistently pushing him, whereas my stances have at the very least been murky. Radio silence.
3) Norway, what exactly is it that is convincing you that Joey_ is scum here because I don't entirely understand where the reasoning comes from your point of view?

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RC, if you’re feeling better. How about voting Joey with me?

stupid game, i hope ure scum rc

VOTE: joey

If i am not obviously town by now then fuck this game and this town

like something feels REALLY wrong about this

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RC, if you’re feeling better. How about voting Joey with me?

stupid game, i hope ure scum rc

VOTE: joey

If i am not obviously town by now then fuck this game and this town

like something feels REALLY wrong about this

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hmm

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hmm

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idk

my problem is i'm not actually all that sure drcirno/gif is town

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idk

my problem is i'm not actually all that sure drcirno/gif is town

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but wow do i hate joeys d1 and d2

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idk this is a really easy situation to towntell as scum

one of my fav reasons to tr suji here is the complete lack of effort to towntell

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like i almost think scum joey would be better at ateing than this?

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like this is trash

absolute trash

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like this is trash

absolute trash

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i think i have

not partner tells

for every single possible set of partners besides 1 and that 1 has some at best interesting interactions

so that's probably it then?

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find out next time on dragon ball z

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that one minor detail

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Why can't it be Joey DrCirno fypov

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still 4 days so i'm not gonna do this today

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Ugh, the game is hard.

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Ugh, the game is hard.

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"playing mafia"

don't do it

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As you can clearly see here on this list of things you shouldn't do

-Smoking
-Playing bards in DnD
-Coming out in Russia
-Watching Stephen Colbert
-Playing Mafia

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Whoa you just did the thing

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Not the thing I meant

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I think that the game has no paths to defeat if we lynch DrCirno today.

As a result I'm voting there.

VOTE: DrCirno

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I think that the game has no paths to defeat if we lynch DrCirno today.

As a result I'm voting there.

VOTE: DrCirno

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Assuming my alignment isn't in question which I don't think that it is, I see no reason to explain further so that I don't give scum information.

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Like if nothing else, I wouldn't have wasted your time for all this time if I were scum, I'd have just lynched someone.

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the vote isn't subject to change.

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And now we wait I guess.

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i've still only lynched people who advocated for lynching me

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but if we lynch GL and the game ends we can blame GIF

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that is a hella good deal tbh

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so what, you think it's norway joey?

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has he though?

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your mom came across as scummy

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i'm just gonna shitpost now

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man gif if you thought i had scum equity i'd have dealt with it better if you laid out the reasoning instead of just saying "lets lollynch RC later"

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I'm following GIF's directive to lynch GL.

I've been all over the place on whether GL is town or scum, I think this is his best scum game historically if he's scum but then again it seems like everyone is having their best historical scum games in games with me.

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I mean, GL was always going to be my other lynch.

There were two specific interactions that suggested that Joey/Norway were unlikely to be partners.

1) The part where Norway got really mad at Joey:

I started playing in like springtime this year. I want to get better at the game, but it's not easy when there are personal attacks and rudeness everywhere. You can easily disagree with an opinion without it causing your blood to boil and "getting pissed". If you get so angry from mafia games then i suggest you take a break and breathe deeply in so the "otaku memers" can't hurt you anymore.

2) The part that I won't quote that's like a page ago where Norway said something about not liking people AtEing or something

neither of them feel likely to be SvS. That leaves GL scum in the remaining intersecting universes unless I'm wrong about you.

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And if they're both scum, it doesn't really matter what order they die in.

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And if they're both scum, it doesn't really matter what order they die in.

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getting tired of this arms race of townies getting better and scum getting better with them.

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hey joey

i understand why you might not like norway in this phase

but i don't think this is the play of someone trying to get townread

i think that it's suji/gl tbh

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the vote isn't subject to change.

Alright.
I just want to get this day over with.
VOTE: DrCirno

like

i actually think that just lolvoting without creating justification is one of the towniest posts that anyone has made this game

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i'm trying to work this into something that's easily explained but he's making the kind of posts that are surface level scummy that town make constantly and that scum don't actually make
unless he's a way better scum player than i'm giving him credit for he's not scum and i think that suji snowing me makes the most sense of all the possibilities atp

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i don't think i'm wrong on norway

even if i've been wrong over and over gain? meh.

i think joey could still very easily be scumz

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do you understand why fmpov

with both you and joey going after norway here

yeah

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it's really hard to sr you tbh

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it's really hard to sr you tbh

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maybe it's GL/Joey and the opener that has pinged me ad infinitum was a correct ping

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what did you think the probability of me not voting you when you said that was

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ok nvm my momentary reconsideration of suji was panicked and bad.

so GL still is poe scum adn then we kill joey/norway and win probably in that order.

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maybe i'm overthinking this and it's really just gl norway but aaa

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i mean we can play around it i guess

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i mean

we could have lynched joey

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what if it's NOT gl norway though

what if norway is town

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whatever

you agree with me suji is town correct

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yes i'm aware

do you agree with me that the appropriate lynch order is gl->[joey/nee]->joey/nee and that suji doesn't realistically flip town ever

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flip scum

ok

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I mean okay

but I know that I'm town, I think the body of work for suji town vastly outstrips what exists for Joey, etc.

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technically GL didn't have to have a buddy in the townblock to win if he got suji lynched after pisskop, so i guess?

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norway has some balls just lolhammering but otoh idk what other choice scum him had maybe if joey wasn't gonna vote.

i'm not saying you can't be right on norwaygl i guess

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the reason i stalled so much btw

was that i was torn between it being mechanically optimal to lynch you today because of not believing in joey/norway as a possibility and not thinking you were scum

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meh

this game totally cucked my lynch rate jesus

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btw gl logging on and literally not saying anything is a scumclaim

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VOTE: GL

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nothing else to say kinda spooks me but gl has been on like 5 different times and hasn't posted

whatever

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6 ytimes

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he's claiming scum.

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as in, he's not getting out of this day phase.

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yes

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VOTE: Joey

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if i'm scum then norway is town and i would have just had him lynched when everyone was talking about how he was scummy yesterday and this game would be over

if that actually needs someone to say it?

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that honestly feels written to be completely tbh but meh

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prewritten

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but uh yeah the fact that joey pushed the lynch onto the one person in that set of 3 who hasn't flipped scum really really doesn't look good to me.

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like if norway is scum ok i guess there was no wrong answer and joey is vindicated

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basically if you're scum suji your tone is amazing and you've earned the win fmpov

i also feel like you'd have put yourself in the nomination, not putting you in the nomination feels like someone setting you up as a mislynch and Norway calling that out not against you but as feeling like someone was doing it to set you up kinda feels town

so i think this is it with joey

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The issue for me right now is, if joey_ is scum and wanted to lynch Norwegianboy in the nomination phase he would have brought me in, not RadiantCowbells.

i'm unlynchable

if he's trying to make you look bad, he leaves you out of the nomination and argues that you left yourself out so you wouldn't die

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I'm more confident that you're town than I am on which of them is scum.

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like, I just want to kill them both at this point

if you have lingering doubts about me now is the time

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No other reservations

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although I would like a table for 8 please.

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is it... over?

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thanks, captain obvious

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my strategy for sorting joey in this game:

if he flips scum he's scum

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i'm pretty good at this game

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inb4 townflip

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well uh

you know i have to vote you tomorrow if this isn't it right

the weight of all the dead townies who sr you is on my shoulders

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i feel the weight of my menalq

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FUCK

i feel the weight of my mislynches crawling down my back

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if this is scum i get to feel really good about the fact

that i was literally the only person who correctly townread norway and literally the only person who correctly scumread joey

if it doesn't i get to lie on the ground and feel like garbage

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excluding all the other people who had those correct reads of course

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why would you want to flip cirno, when you think i am mafia and you said earlier that you didn't believe there was 2 scum in the pool? This doesnt make a iota of sans undertale

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read it again

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if your concern is that i'm like preempting to lynch you the day after, well, i really don't need to do that lol

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We are the orphans of the American dream so shine your light on me

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@nEE lynching RC is your only option to survive this, if RC is town he will never not vote you

@Suji don't be a cuck and flip RC for lynching 3/3, excluding GL because he doesn't get to claim the cred

In terms of fuck you RC for playing like garbage it is absolutely true that my reads have been blinkering since the fight with Menalque.

But in terms of alignment whether I derailed a lynch on Norway to kill Scum GL instead because it was my read or GIF told me to doesn't matter all that much

Either way stuff like Menalque always throws my reads off.

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btw the reason i said inb4 townflip is that i figured that menalque or awoo or someone would have posted in the game if we had won.

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hells yeah

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hells yeah

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Norway's posting was adorable and memey and even when he made obvious scumposts it was hard to scumread him i'm over it

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regardless I didn't play to lynch scum on any speciifc day I played to have a guaranteed path to endgame and since we both agree that suji is town that path to endgame is still intact assuming i don't get MLed

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no, you think that Suji has higher probability of misvoting me than the other way around

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like from your point of view it's still really obvious that i saved your ass yesterday when everyone had expressed interest in lynching you and derailed it onto GL instead.
that's not as poignant to Joey because he wasn't really present and he's going after me more out of grudge than read but you shouldn't be turning on me here.

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not that uh joey is entirely unjustified in being pissed but from where i'm standing when you have two flipped scum and he went after the one person who isn't flipped scum that's an 100% not going to endgame slot

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i post undertale memes

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ok. before i speedvote you i'm going to case you and explain exactly why I think that you're scum here and give you a chance to respond to it.

that's the due process you get from me.

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ok. before i speedvote you i'm going to case you and explain exactly why I think that you're scum here and give you a chance to respond to it.

that's the due process you get from me.

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I was okay with lynching Joey today because there were 2 flipped scum in a pool and he managed to tunnel the one person in that pool who was neither of them

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sounds good boss

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i think town you scumreads suji over me here given the twilight where GIF said to lynch you, Suji turns around and says no let's lynch Norway instead, and I forced her hand on lynching you instead.
but I also think that you as scum realize that I'm not going to be voting Suji in any universe and that this is a better play

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Because

Joey himself

said it.

What about when

DrCirno himself

said that I was 100% town and he actually has a record that exists on reading me :thonk:

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no like i don't for a minute believe you as town take Joey's word over the combined weight of DrCirno's, Menalque's, and the fact that I LITERALLY DERAILED YOUR LYNCH (and a scum win by extension) to vote scum instead, and the person that is competing with me responded to GIF saying that we should powerlynch GL the next day by saying no no no let's lynch Norway.

like even I with a deeply entrenched suji townread panicked and reassessed that read because of that. you're voting because like joey said this is your highest equity.

So i can already tell what tomorrow is going to be like.
You'll speedvote me and then do whatever you can to throw enough garbage at my way to make Suji vote me. Then bring it home for scum. Is that it?

i'm pretty sure i don't actually need to say anything to get suji to vote you tbh

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Everyone did, yeah.

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Scum players shouldn't be allowed to be this cute it's totally unfair tbh

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If it would help I can still actually case him.

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That vote on GL really pings me badly right now. It didn't seem natural.

like what does this even mean? what is this trying to express? what's so unnatural about it

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I mean, I can do it so I feel better about my performance so far

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The fact that GL self-voted really bothers me.

Except that if you're trying to argue he selfvoted because his buddy was already on the wagon,

that applies to both myself and suji

.

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i got this

he was inting mid and jg and he even came and fed the bot lane

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like suji do you not find his turnaround on me really weird even to the point of stating i'm "literally the only possibility left"

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like if he was gonna listen to dead townies why is he listening to the one that's clearly pissed at me as opposed to the ones who weren't pissed at me who said i wasn't scum
like every dead townie scumread him more than either of us including joey so it's murky but like why doesn't he just go off of "one of the remaining players prevented me from being the game losing mislynch"

i can do the deeper work of explaining why his play on D2 makes so much sense in a triple scum pool with him hedging and waiting to vote whoever was going to get traction and him repeatedly talking about how there was definitely one scum in the PoE pool using him as a mislynch to preemptively make himself look good when one of them is guaranteed to flip scum.

but honestly i feel like his turnaround me is better evidence than anything i can cite in the game thread, and how he's hardline avoiding addressing at all the question of why I saved him

I scumread the heck out of you when you were pushing Menalque remember? It's not exactly a turnaround as much as a regaining of my suspicions on you.

oh yeah

ahem

"That's what he wants you to think "

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also the fact that he was loudly declaring the game over to signal uninformedness but also hypersensitive to me commenting that the game might not have been over

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and like i do grok the general idea of him being concerned that I'm tmiing the game not being over and setting up for a mislynch on him but he hasn't even cited that as reasoning which would make a lot more sense than what he's saying

He lynched obvtown Menalque.

Is this inherently a scumtell?

I got put in as the filler slot to the freaking scum theatre on D2.

Why though?

He's been aggressively playing against the town's wincon for a long time, getting TR from me because i didn't think scum would be capable of intentionally getting away with playing so anti-town.

What about when I literally (assuming you're town) prevented town from losing the game outright because I kinda TR you

His predecessor Awoo flip-flopped on me and Titus on D2.

My predecessor also was the first one to call out that there was something really fucky with the nom pool and scum wouldn't have done that.

I've been kept alive as the less dangerous LYLO mislynch for after Joey.

Technically correct that I voted Joey first because I was more concerned about him putting up more of a fight.

GL self-voted on D7 and i think it's because he wanted RC to look better from it.

1) Why can't this be because he doesn't want you to have to force some sort of natural transition around your read on GL
2) Why can't this apply to Suji as well who was also voting him there?

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Like of the remaining 2 players who aren't you both of us were the people in the game who had doubts about Menalque. Why does that apply to me but not Suji?

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Also Titus isn't really a memer. Awoo isn't really a memer. Correspondence seems super serious. Dongempire isn't really a memer. I don't see why any combination of the above players submits 2 scum.
Norway seems like a total memer and him pushing for a 3 scum pool makes complete sense fmpov and the way he was preemptively setting up to push people based on both Titus and Correspondence flippign scum at the same time looks bad

like he literally voted Correspondence saying that it was because he didn't like how two town players were defending him and he wanted the info from that flip

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like if nothing else, even if he didn't want to effort on other parts of the game, he'd be able to adequately explain why he's scumreading me and rebut the very simple arguments i'm making against him
like him totally dodging the question of why I prevented his mislynch, not even saying "you were doing it for towncred later!"

1) Because the day started and ended at around 3 to 5 at nighttime so i wasn't even awake for it before it had already ended.
2: Because i think Suji has a higher town equity than you.

regarding 1)- that's why he would have done it. because you weren't scumreading him and he was eventually going down anyway and if you got on you'd have had to force some kind of towny read transition or something. Makes more sense for him to selfhammer and spare us being able to catch you off of that.

2) why?

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like your argument for why Suji over me is a mix of trusting other people's reads who scumread you more than anyone else and some kind of weird burden of proficiency shit that you copied from Joey

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don't take prevented his mislynch as a slip or a statement about his alignment, I'm saying it from his perspective, etc.

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This is the other part of my hesitation. RC knew that I was agreeing with him on reads, and scum you would probably have included me in the nomination pool.

again
not if his original plan was to try to mislynch you in 3 way and given that i had that big turnaround in twilight where I thought it was Suji/GL framing you would have seemed like a great play
also why do i do all that wheels spinning turnaround shit if i'm scum who just needs to lynch someone and not town who is going into conniptions, etc.

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this might sound weird but i genuinely cannot fake scumreading every single remaining person in the game on the same page

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and i have literally no motivation to because it doesn't make my slot look any townier

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What does going full scum mode mean exactly

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. So there's actually a very good check on whether you are scum tommorow.

Would town ever say this?

If sujis scum we just lose, this isn't a 'check if she is scum' thing

This makes more sense from a scum pov who wants a reason to clear Suji so I can't call him out on the read on me not really making sense

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Joey I'm not even going to respond to that lol

You think town Norway just flips on your way so?

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You agreed with me there was something weird about him not townreading me no matter what else he did that was Towny and you know I have a consistent issue scumreading people who scumread me for bad reasons

You can be mad at me. Do you think it's scummy

Ok then

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I'm trying and failing to take Suji scum seriously.

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Both on account of Sujis play and account of Norways.

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I'm also sorry.

I think this was the game if there was ever a game we could have gotten along and lynched scum together and I blew it even if we still win.

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I'm mulling over whether I place the vote right now or I do the case I was planning to and give Norway a chance to respond meaningfully to it.

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I mean.

If Sujis actually scum.

I don't see how we get to both of us voting her anyway.

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Tbh I'm more trying to avoid getting raged at in endgame if Suji is scum and quickhammers.

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/shrug

Assuming that I'm still right and we lynch Norway and he flips scum

Given that one of the phases was 3 town I walk out of the game with a 50% scum lynch rate as opposed to a 0% in phases where scum didn't literally have to flip.

This game would be bad by my standards certainly but 50% scum lynches isn't terrible tbh.

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0% before I entered the game.

I'm more upset over the how than the actual events

[RadiantCowbells]

You can't have it both ways really

If you want to argue that it's easier for me to lynch 50% scum in the late game then that's a point in my favor more than anything given my short lifespans tbh.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think GL intended to go down in 5 way after PK and have his scumflip plus his unending defense of the townblock be used as evidence by whoever the remaining scum is that the townblock contained scum and I think that's true regardless of who the scum is.

[RadiantCowbells]

I also really don't see how calling you cute or a meme is especially belittling but okay sorry I didn't mean to insult you.

I do have non-zerp doubt on Suji to the point that I wish we'd lynched them as the flex lynch over GIF even if I think that's GIFs fault but realistically I'm not going to end up voting them and I don't think I would even if Norway was gonna vote me 100% of the time.

[RadiantCowbells]

I just don't want to vote because that gives Norway the license to say lol he's confirmed scum fmpov as opposed to him being accountable for his play

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't see the relevance.

If Suji is already essentially locked into voting you whether I vote you first or not the end result is the thing.

The only difference is that she had asked you to explain why you think I'm scum over her and without the votes locked in you can't hide behind it being mechanically confirmed due to Suji not hammering.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not that 50% scum lynch rate isn't below average for me

But it's not some kind of woat performance

[RadiantCowbells]

What about when I steered Suji off of you and onto GL and prevented scum from winning the game outright if you're town?

[RadiantCowbells]

No I didn't.

Every single person was bringing up their Norway scumreads

Only GIF wanted GL

Suji even said after GIF said that he wanted GL dead that she wanted you more.

[RadiantCowbells]

You shouldn't scumread me here. You shouldn't.

[RadiantCowbells]

Voting is scary

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok I'll take that as you're giving up.

VOTE: Norway

[RadiantCowbells]

You didn't exactly give me a whole lot of choice.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think this lylo is significantly more on you than on me if Suji is scum, js. You really should have known I was town when I made her vote GL instead.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's out of my hands if she is and you're calling me scum for reasons that Joey agrees are complete bullshit so.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean we were always gonna lose but it didn't have to be like this.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well I know I'm town and I feel like you should too if you're town.

Just brushing off me making someone vote scum over you in LyLo is... wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

because RC would be much easier to manipulate.

I'm insulted tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

Nothing personnel kid

[RadiantCowbells]

*teleports behind you*

[RadiantCowbells]

Idk like I'm not mad if you're scum and thought I was the easier option

But if you're town who somehow deluded yourself that the person who prevented your mislynch in a previous LyLo is the person who is scum over the person who, in response to GIF pushing the GL Lynch said no no no let's lynch Norway instead

We gonna have a problem

[RadiantCowbells]

I gonna be NaCl af you get what I'm sayin

[RadiantCowbells]

That equally applies to both voters on the wagon but only one voter on the wagon actively prevented people from voting (town) to vote scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ty for being town

Sorry to everyone who I scumread over Suji who were also town

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not gonna lie the lylo paranoia was getting to me.

But I hard TR you all game and I wasn't going back on that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly it probably would have worked better.

I was driving after my last post till now and I couldn't get over my uncertainty. You do feel pretty tonally Towny to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

I hope you weren't actually insulted