Newbie 1965 | River | Over

[Map Wolf]

Map is so on point today + I’m happy him and faus are trusting each other.

Ouch... [from the dead thread]

[Titus]

Rise, sorry buddy you weren't living with a likely clear on MW. We knew PvT wasn't the cop (vetoed lynch on me). You just made the most sense. With us pushing on MW, that left kill you and block GBJ (I think we blocked GBJ) as our best options. We could have blocked you and killed someone else but that just let's you CC cop and forces a faustiv bus.

[faüstiv]

Last but not least, Faustiv, your innate dayplay is amazing. You didn't need me as much as you worried. In the future, I'd distance from me a little more but that's a personal call. Being the goon, I was always more expendable.

thanks. i think we did alright. you did well to shake that lynch off of you D2 too.

reason why I didn't distance as much as you may have liked was because I needed to shade you enough to stand any chance of winning in 3 way should you have been lynched. me defending you in LYLO looks very bad when the crux of my tr on you was that I thought you was a PR, so I had to push you to ensure my play remained consistent.

the endgame was always to try and achieve a PvT lynch and the best candidate for their 'partner' was you.

tbh as scum I'm not that much of a team player rightly or wrongly. if I feel it helps my chances of winning I will bus my partner.

[Titus]

reason why I didn't distance as much as you may have liked was because I needed to shade you enough to stand any chance of winning in 3 way should you have been lynched. me defending you in LYLO looks very bad when the crux of my tr on you was that I thought you was a PR, so I had to push you to ensure my play remained consistent.

Oh I agree with this. I was saying you had more room to push me. You were by far the better player on our team.

[faüstiv]

Rise, sorry buddy you weren't living with a likely clear on MW. We knew PvT wasn't the cop (vetoed lynch on me). You just made the most sense. With us pushing on MW, that left kill you and block GBJ (I think we blocked GBJ) as our best options. We could have blocked you and killed someone else but that just let's you CC cop and forces a faustiv bus.

we blocked map.

GBJ wasn't flipping PR (imo) for 2 reasons.

his response to the BS lynch.

how easily he bought into my theory of you being PR.

I think Rise crumbed pretty well and yeah perhaps with more experienced players the outcome would have been different because MW would've been virtually locktown, therefore his opinions would have held more weight within the town.

[faüstiv]

reason why I didn't distance as much as you may have liked was because I needed to shade you enough to stand any chance of winning in 3 way should you have been lynched. me defending you in LYLO looks very bad when the crux of my tr on you was that I thought you was a PR, so I had to push you to ensure my play remained consistent.

Oh I agree with this. I was saying you had more room to push me. You were by far the better player on our team.

oh right, i misread.

and nah, i think we just bounced off of each other well. i don't think there was a 'standout' player between us.

[Titus]

how easily he bought into my theory of you being PR.

I legit thought that was PvT's idea lmao. You did good there.

[PvtUrist]

btw that is a beautiful faustiv pt

[faüstiv]

btw that is a beautiful faustiv pt

it was a very stressful game.

[Gjt]

Called one of the Scum, had feeling Faustiv was Scum. Initially had GBJ as the other

[GuiltyLion]

hey gg all, very well played by scum! I knew we should never let Titus get away with that hammer!! I really disagree with the idea that there's any way to spin that move as town-oriented and am happy to continue discussing in a chiller post-game environment (if anyone actually legit wants that, lol).

I quoted the mod because that was the most objective and simple way to express the point that what Titus was saying was fundamentally unsound in terms of how everyone agrees is the correct way to play the game. I definitely coulda been more patient/calm in how I pushed it but I stand by the fact that there's no real way to defend a hammer like that in response to a doc claim on D1, even if he did say it was a "soft" claim.

Absolutely no hard feelings towards anyone for how they played, I played poorly myself (went out scumreading two town lol) and I think even if we had best case got Titus on d2 it would have still been a hard game to win as faustiv was playing extremely well. I think this was genuinely a full team loss where everybody made mistakes that lead to none of us blocking together to catch scum and scum did a great job capitalizing on each of those mistakes.

Thanks for modding Plotinus (and ND39)! Game was super smooth.

[GuiltyLion]

oh one thing I forgot to add though is Titus you're probably right that if I stuck to meta I woulda had a better case. I actually found a game where you were hammered as the doctor and you said the person hammering you should have known better, but I chose not to bring it up cause the person who hammered you was also town (lol) and I figured people would see that as detrimental to my point

[faüstiv]

hey gg all, very well played by scum! I knew we should never let Titus get away with that hammer!! I really disagree with the idea that there's any way to spin that move as town-oriented and am happy to continue discussing in a chiller post-game environment (if anyone actually legit wants that, lol).

I quoted the mod because that was the most objective and simple way to express the point that what Titus was saying was fundamentally unsound in terms of how everyone agrees is the correct way to play the game. I definitely coulda been more patient/calm in how I pushed it but I stand by the fact that there's no real way to defend a hammer like that in response to a doc claim on D1, even if he did say it was a "soft" claim.

Absolutely no hard feelings towards anyone for how they played, I played poorly myself (went out scumreading two town lol) and I think even if we had best case got Titus on d2 it would have still been a hard game to win as faustiv was playing extremely well. I think this was genuinely a full team loss where everybody made mistakes that lead to none of us blocking together to catch scum and scum did a great job capitalizing on each of those mistakes.

Thanks for modding Plotinus (and ND39)! Game was super smooth.

nah I'm with you. If I was town I probably would have hard scumread Titus at D2 start too. Whether that read would have changed as D2 progressed... idk.

[GuiltyLion]

you really threw me with the PR speculating thing, that was well executed. haven't seen scum pull that one to such a degree before

[faüstiv]

you really threw me with the PR speculating thing, that was well executed. haven't seen scum pull that one to such a degree before

it was definitely a risk but no risk, no reward.

tbh i just didn't back myself to win the game on my own if titus was lynched so I had to think outside the box.

[Titus]

oh one thing I forgot to add though is Titus you're probably right that if I stuck to meta I woulda had a better case. I actually found a game where you were hammered as the doctor and you said the person hammering you should have known better, but I chose not to bring it up cause the person who hammered you was also town (lol) and I figured people would see that as detrimental to my point

I think you should have. My point was it was optimal in this situation.

Using my own words against me is so much easier standard than proving no town would bc town can and would do it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

hey gg all, very well played by scum!

I knew we should never let Titus get away with that hammer!!

I really disagree with the idea that there's any way to spin that move as town-oriented and am happy to continue discussing in a chiller post-game environment (if anyone actually legit wants that, lol).

I quoted the mod because that was the most objective and simple way to express the point that what Titus was saying was fundamentally unsound in terms of how everyone agrees is the correct way to play the game. I definitely coulda been more patient/calm in how I pushed it but I stand by the fact that there's no real way to defend a hammer like that in response to a doc claim on D1, even if he did say it was a "soft" claim.

Absolutely no hard feelings towards anyone for how they played, I played poorly myself (went out scumreading two town lol) and I think even if we had best case got Titus on d2 it would have still been a hard game to win as faustiv was playing extremely well. I think this was genuinely a full team loss where everybody made mistakes that lead to none of us blocking together to catch scum and scum did a great job capitalizing on each of those mistakes.

Thanks for modding Plotinus (and ND39)! Game was super smooth.

If I was in the game, I would have powerlynched Titus for quickhammering a town doc claim. I’m amazed that didn’t happen, tbh.

You’re welcome, backup modding is fun and Plotinus was super helpful. The only thing I still couldn’t figure out was how to reset the timer.

[Nancy Drew 39]

hey gg all, very well played by scum!

I knew we should never let Titus get away with that hammer!!

I really disagree with the idea that there's any way to spin that move as town-oriented and am happy to continue discussing in a chiller post-game environment (if anyone actually legit wants that, lol).

I quoted the mod because that was the most objective and simple way to express the point that what Titus was saying was fundamentally unsound in terms of how everyone agrees is the correct way to play the game. I definitely coulda been more patient/calm in how I pushed it but I stand by the fact that there's no real way to defend a hammer like that in response to a doc claim on D1, even if he did say it was a "soft" claim.

Absolutely no hard feelings towards anyone for how they played, I played poorly myself (went out scumreading two town lol) and I think even if we had best case got Titus on d2 it would have still been a hard game to win as faustiv was playing extremely well. I think this was genuinely a full team loss where everybody made mistakes that lead to none of us blocking together to catch scum and scum did a great job capitalizing on each of those mistakes.

Thanks for modding Plotinus (and ND39)! Game was super smooth.

If I was in the game, I would have powerlynched Titus for quickhammering a non CC’d town doc claim. I’m amazed that didn’t happen, tbh.

You’re welcome, backup modding is fun and Plotinus was super helpful. The only thing I still couldn’t figure out was how to reset the timer.

[Map Wolf]

The only reason Titus survived is because we assumed she was pr. That's why she clearly should've been lynched on d3 (and I should've pushed harder).
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By the way, is there any reason you'd want to have a PT as a VT? (Beyond maybe for typing thoughts at night)

[Nancy Drew 39]

The only reason Titus survived is because we assumed she was pr. That's why she clearly should've been lynched on d3 (and I should've pushed harder).
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By the way, is there any reason you'd want to have a PT as a VT? (Beyond maybe for typing thoughts at night)

I usually do if I’m in a hydra but some people like them to keep track of their thoughts during the game.

[Plotinus]

The mafia PT has been released: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81285

[PenguinPower]