Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Amrun]

I would lynch Creature today tbh. I think it’s not the most informational lynch but does have a higher than random chance of being scum so it’s ok with me.

[GuiltyLion]

My problem right now is that my two top scum reads don't make much sense together. GL and Creature BOTH being scum seems really unlikely considering how fast they jumped the amrun wagon one after the other, and I know they're both better players than to do something that sloppy and obvious if the efforts were scum-coordinated.

just re-think your scumread on me and it'll solve your problem

[Something_Smart]

My problem right now is that my two top scum reads don't make much sense together.

That really isn't a problem. Even the strongest scumhunters can't consistently call 2 out of 3 scum on D1. Your reads are hopefully going to change as the game goes on.

[DogWatch]

amrun [4] - Datisi, Iconeum, GuiltyLion, Creature

I'm pretty sure this is all town and still a good wagon btw

Being honest I haven't really looked at Creature much since I got some slight town vibes from his early game but it's true he's dropped off a lot since then. I think he's less towny than Doolittle and Menalque I'm willing to hear your case there but I feel you're off on that one.

@GL, what exactly was your progression here from town!creature to scum!creature considering that creature hasn't posted in between these two posts? You say he dropped off, but he literally never said anything after you townread him.

[Menalque]

Creature is not the worst wagon but ddl is better

[Menalque]

Why are people hopping on creature not on ddl?

Creature is like one of the lowest information and lhf lynched today and I’m not even sold on scum!him

Tell me this: for anything creature has done that’s scummy, has ddl not done the same thing but worse?

[Salamence20]

Yeah Im digging my vote rn

[Salamence20]

Why are people hopping on creature not on ddl?

Creature is like one of the lowest information and lhf lynched today and I’m not even sold on scum!him

Tell me this: for anything creature has done that’s scummy, has ddl not done the same thing but worse?

Lol acting like DDL gives us information.

Creature is not here and hasnt been here since forever ago.

[Menalque]

Yes and this is a reason to lynch him why?

[Something_Smart]

Tell me this: for anything creature has done that’s scummy, has ddl not done the same thing but worse?

Being generally absent is (or at least used to be) a scumtell for Creature in a way that it's not for most people.

Granted I don't know if this is still true and I have heard that his scum and town games have gotten more similar recently.

[Menalque]

That’s the definition of lhf

Whats worse: not being here at all or being here and doing exactly nothing? Which is what ddl has been doing

[DogWatch]

Tell me this: for anything creature has done that’s scummy, has ddl not done the same thing but worse?

Being generally absent is (or at least used to be) a scumtell for Creature in a way that it's not for most people.

Yep, this is the old meta I was referring to a while back.

[Menalque]

Tell me this: for anything creature has done that’s scummy, has ddl not done the same thing but worse?

Being generally absent is (or at least used to be) a scumtell for Creature in a way that it's not for most people.

Granted I don't know if this is still true and I have heard that his scum and town games have gotten more similar recently.

This is not a scum tell for creature anymore and it hasn’t been for literally months I think

[GuiltyLion]

@Dog - I hadn't read Creature in ISO or thought about him at all when I made 700, I was just coasting off of my early game townread which I first mentioned in 261. I hadn't paid attention to him since then, once he drew votes I re-ISO'd him and challenged myself about it and realized I didn't really have good reasons to townread him to begin with. I am/was also trying to rethink my view of the game state if Amrun is town

[Menalque]

Also purely from wagon POV he’s had 4 votes in 2 pages plus amrun at least saying she’s willing to compromise on him

[Something_Smart]

That’s the definition of lhf

You misunderstand then. It's a meta read.

Classic Creature meta, circa a year or two ago, was (roughly) "if he's posting, he's town."

[GuiltyLion]

Menalque you keep asserting that DDL is doing nothing but that's not my impression. He specifically tried to get me onto texcat

[Menalque]

That’s the definition of lhf

You misunderstand then. It's a meta read.

Classic Creature meta, circa a year or two ago, was (roughly) "if he's posting, he's town."

The key words being “cerca a year or two ago”

[Something_Smart]

Yeah Im digging my vote rn

I'm actually not a huge fan of it myself but I do prefer it to Amrun or GL.

[Menalque]

VOTE: texcat
After meh scrolling through some iso

What's the counter against my taxact vote

Wanna do texcat w me?

Yes that hard texcat push how did I miss the conviction in these posts

[Amrun]

I’d also compromise on DDL. DDL is here and voting/talking at least, whereas creature is being willfully obstinate.

And idk of ego boost or what but I felt slightly better about my last interaction with DDL.

[Something_Smart]

The key words being “cerca a year or two ago”

What's your point? That's when the majority of my Creature experience is from. I've made a clear invitation for anyone who's played with him more recently to let me know if it's still true.

[GuiltyLion]

you're moving the goalposts now - there may not be conviction but it certainly counts as doing something especially since that was a novel attempt at another wagon at that stage in the game. He also re-joined Amrun later which is also a significant move game-state wise

[Salamence20]

Yeah Im digging my vote rn

I'm actually not a huge fan of it myself but I do prefer it to Amrun or GL.

I want him back here to claim. I think people are vocalizing their approval and distaste for it. Thats information I can work with tomorrow.

[Menalque]

I'm not yet invested in this game I guess

its funny because im above median in post count

Like ddl has been around and yet has been offering us an absolute minimum in terms of substance

He’s here enough to offer excuses or justifications, and if he’s here enough to do that I think town!him would be doing something more substantial as well