Newbie 1971 [Game Over!]

[Billy Pilgrim]

And I don't think scum!Skitt would have gotten on a wagon at EoD. I think she'd have been on a wagon earlier.

[Map Wolf]

VOTE: Map

If I'm scum, I don't insist on Non Imh being town and GBJ being more likely to be scum. I'd only vote GBJ late if I had to.

[skitter30]

I would agree with this, which is why I’m talking to you and trying to feel you out instead of hard pushing your lynch immediately, as if you’re not scum and my reads are really off then I’d wanna have your reads presented in as much depth as possible to help town in 3p lylo (if billy isn’t just lady scum) seeing as I’m p certain I don’t make it there either

(I literally barely had a spare minute today until rn, sorry, life's a little busy rn)

This is basically what i'm thinking going forward, if you lot do decide to lynch me today:

-> i believe that billy is most likely the last scum. In an ideal universe i'd like to lynch him today. If that is not possible, then i'm going to make do my best today to make sure you lot lynch him next

-> given how mena instigated the ggj thing, i'm p confident he is town. Barring prs you also prob dont make 3way.

-> of kanna, non, map wolf, and uncrowned, i'm most confident in town!kanna. She's just ... agendaless, guileless, earnest, and like obvtown on tone

-> i've kinda decided non is a troll. Probably town, but i'm not putting super much weight into what he's saying. Prime investigative check, if we have one

-> and so i'm down to mapwolf and uncrowned if billy is not, actually, scum, and i need to do some further reading here. We dont have enough lynches to just lynch thru my poe, so i think if there are prs that would clear at least one (ideally 2) of the billy/non/map wolf/uncrowned group, massclaim would be good here

[skitter30]

I have a guilty on skit
don't cc me pls
kbye

Wtf is this?

Trolling nonsense

[skitter30]

why would scum!skitt get on a wagon at EoD?

why is claiming a PR the best move there? I actually was more tempted to unvote gbj after the VT claim than I would have been if he'd claimed PR I think because it was such a clearly non-optimal play, and I think GL had the same thought

Yes, not voting my partner while my partner was getting wagoned and not voting the cw wagon either was a great plan for me as scum there, i agree

[Non lmh]

don't insult Kanna like that

@map,crown,billy
brace yourselves, might not live to see tomorrow otherwise
godspeed

[Map Wolf]

I maintain my view that Billy Pilgram is likely scum. And yes, GBJ refering to him as "seems scum" is a very possible scumslip.

[Uncrowned]

Non's trolling is annoying.

Do any of you think there's any NKA we can do on the GL kill? I get it's WIFOM but Kanna and Billy were two of his other potential scum slots outside of GBJ. I could see them wanting to get rid of him.

My preferred lynches are still within my PoE of Billy, Skitter and then Kanna, although Skitter/Kanna are interchangeable in that ordering. I'm open to explanations of why it could be people outside of my PoE (slight paranoia about Non buuuut I think it's unlikely).

[Billy Pilgrim]

I'm sold on Mena town. Pretty confident on uncrowned town. Dont think Kanna is scum.

So my PoE involves Map/Non/Skitt. I really don't think its Skitt because EoD doesnt make sense. But if it is Skitt, then I dont know if town will get there. Particularly if I'm around in LYLO. So since theres paranoia about me, off me tomorrow, because im probably a LYLO liability. But I'd like to see if my PoE can get reduced toward a solve.

My preference is Map, but I'd also lynch in the other two spots.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I see that last post from Map. Does anyone else want to sell me on Map town?

Also, Map, if I'm scum, why am I pushing for a lynch that everyone else is telling me is off the table?

I get that i look bad for saying that GBJ was a nothing slot early on in the day, but if the theory is that I'm defending him, dont I do a bit more to defend him? I dont remember shading the wagon, and the guy I was pushing I dont even think was on the wagon (i forgot where he was when he wasnt self-voting). So I dont really see that as teamwork, but I know that at least some of you are genuinely thinking it.

Damnit I hope Mena isnt pocketing me, but I'm in pretty much everyone's PoE so I dont see what the gain is there if I dont make LYLO.

[Uncrowned]

About Mena: If he really bussed GBJ, which to me is maybe a 1/20 chance of happening (probably less, even) then he's already lost, for reasons I'll explain when it becomes relevant.

About GBJ: Sure, you can say you didn't defend the slot overly hard, but that could just be Scum!Billy not wanting to be too obvious if the lynch does go through. After all, it was picking up steam and we were close to the deadline, you didn't really HAVE time to try and get people off of him. The only other option on the table at the time was Non, and that had lost its momentum and, if we're really thinking about it, didn't even have as much momentum as it LOOKED like it did because of Non's self-vote.

So that above post is a little WIFOMy if you ask me

[Billy Pilgrim]

Btw, if I'm scum with GBJ why doesnt he claim a pr? What's the point in scum!me not either keeping him alive to the next day guaranteed or drawing out a night kill target potentially two?

And I was here at end of day, so why wouldnt I have coached that? The one scum game I was in where either me or my partner was going dow. that had a normal type roles setup, I claimed cop when I was going down so my partner had a night kill target. Why wouldnt I have had my partner do that yesterday?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Honestly, I feel like the fact that the claim was suboptimal makes me want to rule out Skitter. The only reason I'm not completely ruling her out is because she was kinda away at the end of the day. I really feel like that's a newer player move to claim VT there which is why my pool is mostly newer players.

[Uncrowned]

Who claimed VT?

[Menalque]

Gbj

[Menalque]

I want to reiterate again that under no circumstances are we lynching uncrowned or mapwolf today

[Menalque]

Also kanna needs to claim about FN message still

Followed by mapwolf, followed by uncrowned, followed by me

[Menalque]

Ftr skitt also knows that I’d lynch a PR claim made under pressure at end of day and uncrumbed

[Menalque]

why would scum!skitt get on a wagon at EoD?

why is claiming a PR the best move there? I actually was more tempted to unvote gbj after the VT claim than I would have been if he'd claimed PR I think because it was such a clearly non-optimal play, and I think GL had the same thought

Yes, not voting my partner while my partner was getting wagoned and not voting the cw wagon either was a great plan for me as scum there, i agree

I just think scum!you would try to do any of these routes, and so I don’t think you not voting is AI

After all, billy wants to give you townpoints for not having been on in either direction

[Menalque]

I do actually need more content from kanna and map tho

If we have an investigative a check on non would be ideal, I think

[Billy Pilgrim]

Ftr skitt also knows that I’d lynch a PR claim made under pressure at end of day and uncrumbed

Yeah, bit you were on GBJ already so i dont know if that means anything. And it was set for Lion to hammer non if there was a GBJ pr claim.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I do actually need more content from kanna and map tho

If we have an investigative a check on non would be ideal, I think

Honestly if an investigative didnt check non, I dont think I'm gonna believe it.

[Kanna]

Sorry guys, almost caught up but not quite. Will be on tonight.

[Kanna]

@Mena from a few pages back; no, I did not receive a notification

[Kanna]

Readlist based on yesterday

Map; town. There was no reason for him to be the third vote and kickstart the GBJ wagon if he was scum + GBJ made a genuine push that way before he was lynched.
Non Imh; town. His last posts were very townie and GBJ also pushed that way. I’m thinking GBJ showed some hesitation in the end because he was so clearly town but did ultimately want to get him lynched.
Mena; very likely town. Started the GBJ wagon, hopped off, then on again. This tells me it wasn’t preplanned bussing.
Uncrowned; weak town/null. He was on the GBJ wagon but I think it’s possible scumUncrowned bussed GBJ at the last minute and his readlist before voting GBJ was to justify being on the wagon.

This leaves Billy and Skitter.