Mini Normal 2130: Mafia From Home [Game Over]

[Battle Mage]

Oh wow.
I'm going to give you my full role now, and I do not feel bad about the way I acted.
I just think this is a bullshit role to have, compared to the way it works.
I've lost all interest in this game now, because my honest opinion is that my role doesn't work like it "should".
I've consulted the wiki almost ten times after I got my Role-PM, and thought my role works in quite a clear way.
I even made a clear implication to the mod before the game started, about how I assumed my role would work, and he didn't feel like correcting me.

My actual role, and full claim is

Simple Combined Neapolitan Doctor.

My actual result after mod doublechecking is "not Vanilla Townie".
Now, I checked multiple times from the wiki, and it explicitly says

Simple is a role modifier that modifies the way in which an active action is used; it causes the action to fail, as though it were roleblocked, when used against a player who is not vanilla. In other words, only Vanilla Townies and Goons of the various anti-town factions will be affected by a Simple action; other players are too complex to be vulnerable.

MEANING THAT I SHOULD ONLY GET THIS RESULT FROM A VANILLA-MAFIA, RIGHT?!?

Well, now mod has returned to me, and given me an answer.
Since I can't directly quote our PM's, I'm going to paraphrase it next:
My doctor action only works on vanilla town. Sure, makes sense.
But I'm then told that I will still get a "Not Vanilla Town" -result, on anyone that doesn't have a "Vanilla Town" role pm.
WHY?
Why doesn't the Simple-modifier affect on the FIRST ROLE MENTIONED, BUT AFFECTS THE SECOND?

So you're saying Luca might not be scum after all? As he has claimed a non-vanilla townie role!

[UnaBombaH]

I crumbed combined in the same post as I crumbed simple, or at least within 1 post from each other I think.
Something like "all things combined to me".
Doctor was crumbed very lightly for obvious reasons, but I mentioned fighting the flu in Naples or something like that.
A doctor would be fighting the disease there around this time, I think.
I also started this game by saying something about how this game-setup was designed by Boon, and I think my role merits that exclamation.
I also also said something like "I hope Luca is town

enough

" before the day ended.
Meaning literally that if he was to be Vanilla Town, I would've gotten a confirmed townie AND potentially protected him from the NK.

[UnaBombaH]

Screw the guilty. Just forget about your role. Can't you see that Zantetsu!scum implicates Luca!scum? No power needed for that.

Oh, I know this.
I'm just pissed off by the fact that my role apparently isn't anything like what the definition implies it should be.

[Zantetsu]

If that's really your role Una then it's a fucking bullshit role that some too clever for themselves game designer made as a big fuck you to all players playing the game.

[UnaBombaH]

So you're saying Luca might not be scum after all? As he has claimed a non-vanilla townie role!

All we know for a fact is that he is in a PT, and he is not a Vanilla

TOWNIE

.
He could still be a Mafia Goon (and I do think he is because my action went through on him anyway), but the way the mod answered my question to him, makes it seem like it's not a 100% guilty after all.
And that pisses me off like hell.

[Zantetsu]

And I actually believe you and am not confident that the mod nor anyone else actually has any idea how the investigations of this role are supposed to work, except in their own twisted mind.

[UnaBombaH]

^^ bold was supposed to be on "Vanilla" obviously.
I'm just tired and annoyed so I can't focus.
Zantetsu should definitely be the lynch today, and assuming a scum-flip, you lynch Luca tomorrow no matter what he comes up with.
If Zantetsu flips town, tomorrow is reserved for a BattleMage-lynch obviously.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Zantetsu and Luca Blight are scums then the most likely teammate is Egix96.

Solve= Zantetsu/Luca Blight/Egix96
Lynch in this order.
Zantetsu, if scum -> lynch Luca Blight, if scum -> lynch Egix96.

[Zantetsu]

Like, I play in the normal queue to avoid this stupid bullshit.

[UnaBombaH]

If Zantetsu and Luca Blight are scums then the most likely teammate is Egix96.

This is my main-gripe here.
If my role worked like it should, Luca should always be

VANILLA

-scum here.
Meaning that he is not a neighbor, meaning that his claimed neighbor is scum as well.

My gut-instinct was that scum might've been informed about a PT-cop?
Would explain why my then-assumed guilty on Luca was immediately responded to by a hood-claim and confirmation.

[Battle Mage]

Una - Nothing about your claim makes me think you are scum. Apart from, to Zant's point, it does seem on the extreme-end of wackiness...
I don't even fully understand it - you are a doctor for vanilla townies only, and for any non-vanilla townies you get a "not vanilla" result? So it's sort of a half-cop/half-doc?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And with that all having been said.
Good day.

[Battle Mage]

^^ bold was supposed to be on "Vanilla" obviously.
I'm just tired and annoyed so I can't focus.
Zantetsu should definitely be the lynch today, and assuming a scum-flip, you lynch Luca tomorrow no matter what he comes up with.
If Zantetsu flips town, tomorrow is reserved for a BattleMage-lynch obviously.

If Zantetsu and Luca Blight are scums then the most likely teammate is Egix96.

Solve= Zantetsu/Luca Blight/Egix96
Lynch in this order.
Zantetsu, if scum -> lynch Luca Blight, if scum -> lynch Egix96.

Why are you both so convinced Zant-scum means Luca-scum??

[UnaBombaH]

I don't even fully understand it - you are a doctor for vanilla townies only, and for any non-vanilla townies you get a "not vanilla" result? So it's sort of a half-cop/half-doc?

But see here, my role only gets accurate results on Vanilla Townies.
It's working more like a scum-role with the way that it works here - not the town-version I'm obviously supposed to have.
The only reasonable way "simple" should work here, is to gate my Doc'ing ability.
So that I could never protect our PR's, and only protect the Vanilla Townies AND Vanilla-Goons I'm confirming that night.
I'd be able to detect Mafia Goons because I'd get a result - "not Vanilla Town", and I wouldn't be able to differentiate Town- and Mafia-PRs from each other.

Made sense to me in a way after I pondered upon it for a while.
Makes no sense to me after last night.

[UnaBombaH]

Why are you both so convinced Zant-scum means Luca-scum??

It makes sense to me as well.
Reminds me of how a certain scumteam worked together in one of my older games, and almost no one else saw the connection there either.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But see here, my role only gets accurate results on Vanilla Townies.
It's working more like a scum-role with the way that it works here

Which was precisely my point in why i scumread you. But i don't think you could come up with all this shit as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you both so convinced Zant-scum means Luca-scum??

Come on now, don't make me spell things out for you. It's obvious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, we're voting Zantetsu today. We can argue about the next lynch tommorow. But make Luca your prime suspect please.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, I can come up with a LOT.
But I've made it a point here that whenever I'm a town-PR, I crumb early, make my claim later with the necessary quotes, and stick to it.
So no, I would never goof around with this as town, and scum!Una can play a lot better than you seem to think I could.

[UnaBombaH]

I also hope that the rest can now see why I played around the profii-slot the way I did.
I had my gut-hunch, and a solid way of making SURE N1.
I'm just a bit sad he apparently wasn't "feeling" this game.
He has a solid towngame when he's working for it.

I only acted the way I did, because I really thought we'd get the best D2/D3 with a confirmed townie/scum in profii, and their full wagons in their peak to analyze with the info as well.

I also do not act the way I did D1 as scum, EVER, to try and "get towncred".
I do not believe in "towncred".

[NorwegianboyEE]

So no, I would never goof around with this as town, and scum!Una can play a lot better than you seem to think I could.

[UnaBombaH]

If either of Zantetsu/Luca flip town btw, you need to reconsider Norwegian D4.
For now, I'd consider him townbinned.

I'm going to check (and protect) Norwegian tonight anyway - can't protect our PT-cop with my simple mind.

[UnaBombaH]

You nasty.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm going to check (and protect) Norwegian tonight anyway - can't protect our PT-cop with my simple mind.

Feel free. I'm VT.

[Battle Mage]

I know you've had a lot on your mind but...you're still voting for Luca I think