Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[humaneatingmonkey]

if Datisi does not break the game, I'm gonna be very salty
again, no pressure

Which goes back to this

If we can agree all the claims are legit, then the game can be broken. Otherwise, we are auto-losing most likely by putting trust into all the supposed PR roles since we will go to lylo
Example if we lynch and mafia kills each night:
6v1 4 prs
4v1 3 prs
2v1 2 prs

So either in lylo everybody lynches the vanilla person or end up doing now which is debating the validity of the claims (expect they would have night actions. Although scum at this point fakeclaiming an invest role will make up a guilty check one way or the other.)

And I will admit, I am not nearly experienced in set up spec or anything. But the sheer numbers and power of what we supposedly have feels way off. That is why I am trying hard to rationalize what the hell this is by finding the missing link with scum PR.

honestly, at the end of this game, i'm not gonna be surprised if the point was the town would be suspicious of the setup and the last mafia had an invalidating role.

[HoldenGolden]

what if the last scum had a PR that invalidates one of us?

That is why I threw out eariler godfather and now saying Roleblocker maybe.

But with 2 invest roles, Roleblocker still cannot dodge both invest roles at the same time and mafia team has no answer for PT cop once it comes online if it targets Roleblocker (which assuming 5v2, with 6 people to check and assuming both neighbors are alive, PT cop would have a 50% of returning a postive check while 33-66% of that time that check is scum depending on rather town thinks its a town-town neighborhood or a scum-town). I threw out strongman as an idea since scum can be sure to kill a invest role if need be after it claims.

Is mafia busdriver considered normal?

[humaneatingmonkey]

roleblock the other, kill the other

[humaneatingmonkey]

bodyguard has a 50% success rate to be successful

[humaneatingmonkey]

maybe mislynch the other PR

[humaneatingmonkey]

there's plenty of plays here

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm now thinking that this massclaim is whack

[Datisi]

bodyguard has a 50% success rate to be successful

Nope, Bodyguard has a 100% success rate. Any sorta randomized success rates are explicitly Not Normal.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm saying bodyguard chooses between Madoka and I, and figure out who the scum would target tonight. 50%.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i guess i really have to re-read now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Datisi is scum. Discuss.

[HoldenGolden]

maybe mislynch the other PR

Yet I am the only one purposing that we suspect the PRs, so non-claiming scum here is relying either on me doing their work (fair enough lazy pants) or town doubting later in the game.

So scum gambles on a 50% chance to kill someone? Also where did you see 50%? On wiki it says normal bg always protects with only a variation being the 50%. I thought george just claimed regular BG?

PEDIT
Datisi is not scum

They are the only 100% town person in this game

[humaneatingmonkey]

maybe mislynch the other PR

Yet I am the only one purposing that we suspect the PRs, so non-claiming scum here is relying either on me doing their work (fair enough lazy pants) or town doubting later in the game.

So scum gambles on a 50% chance to kill someone? Also where did you see 50%? On wiki it says normal bg always protects with only a variation being the 50%. I thought george just claimed regular BG?

PEDIT
Datisi is not scum

They are the only 100% town person in this game

shiki, as well. and I think that if one of us flips dead tomorrow, it's very easy to mislynch the other.

[shiki]

Datisi is scum. Discuss.

you said the only reason madoka would fakeclaim was to mislynch all of the vts 20 posts after suggesting we lynch all of the vts.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Datisi is only 100% town because he choo-choo'd the bugs wagon, but if we're thinking bugs could be early-bussed, Datisi's back on the table. Moreso, because he asked for a massclaim and said he wanted to claim last. That's a roleblocker move if i ever saw one.

[HoldenGolden]

maybe mislynch the other PR

Yet I am the only one purposing that we suspect the PRs, so non-claiming scum here is relying either on me doing their work (fair enough lazy pants) or town doubting later in the game.

So scum gambles on a 50% chance to kill someone? Also where did you see 50%? On wiki it says normal bg always protects with only a variation being the 50%. I thought george just claimed regular BG?

PEDIT
Datisi is not scum

They are the only 100% town person in this game

shiki, as well. and I think that if one of us flips dead tomorrow, it's very easy to mislynch the other.

Skiki is not 100% town. They are most likely town. not 100%

We have Datisi as confirmed town-neighbor via flip.

Yet there will be a confirmed innocent still for scum in both rather all PR's are town or scum is fakeclaiming. Scum from here on out until Mislynch has to confirmed a townie as they can't get by from checking eachother.

Let's see actually

[Madoka]

Datisi is only 100% town because he choo-choo'd the bugs wagon, but if we're thinking bugs could be early-bussed, Datisi's back on the table. Moreso, because he asked for a massclaim and said he wanted to claim last. That's a roleblocker move if i ever saw one.

Nope.

[humaneatingmonkey]

We have Datisi as confirmed town-neighbor via flip.

forgot about this

[HoldenGolden]

Datisi is only 100% town because he choo-choo'd the bugs wagon, but if we're thinking bugs could be early-bussed, Datisi's back on the table. Moreso, because he asked for a massclaim and said he wanted to claim last. That's a roleblocker move if i ever saw one.

So you are saying that mafia neighbor was paired with mafia neighbor since bugs is confirmed mafia neighbor via flip?

Really think about this

[Datisi]

so, what i got so far. alive people are {Datisi, Luca, Madoka, George, shiki, Holden, Monkey}

claims:
Datisi - Town Neighbor
Madoka - Town Neapolitan
George - Town Bodyguard
Monkey - Town Novice PT Cop
Luca, shiki, Holden - VTs

confirmed Town:

Datisi - Neighbor with flipped scum also did you read Day 1.

Madoka - if Madoka were fakeclaiming here, the setup would've been a Town Novice PT Cop, Town Bodyguard, Town Neighbour vs scum Neighbor + possibly something that would've told Madoka George isn't Vanilla. Which is Much not balanced.

Not Mech confirmed but very very likely town: George (way he ciaimed) and Luca (did you read Day 1)

ok possible game plan.

Day 2 we lynch Holden. if scum, game over. assume Town.

On Night 2, George protects Madoka. Madoka checks shiki. Monkey checks Luca.

I am currently trying to figure out the way Day 3 happens based on claims and who dies. But every time it just seems like scum gets caught in the end.

Also setup-wise, I really think everyone's claims other thank Monkey's fit as a balanced setup.

Actually a perhaps better plan for Night 2:
- George protects Madoka. Madoka checks shiki. Monkey checks Madoka.

If Monkey claims to be roleblocked and have No Result, we still know Madoka claim is true since the setup would be completely broken if she was a scum blocking role.

However, if we all collectively agree that Madoka's claim is true, then Monke checking Madoka is pointless anyway. ugh.

[humaneatingmonkey]

yeah sorry

[HoldenGolden]

We have Datisi as confirmed town-neighbor via flip.

forgot about this

Forget that you mentioned it or forget about the fact our only confirmed town is confirmed?

[Madoka]

I'm down for whatever you say, Datisi.

[Datisi]

we could also have both Madoka and Monkey check shiki. even if we have a blocker, he can't block one kill the other because George will be guarding Madoka.

pedit: no pressure

[humaneatingmonkey]

both