Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

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Bingle make the case for why you shouldn’t be killed today

I thought about it overnight and I don’t think there’s anything inherently incriminating in your ISO

But equally it seems like you’re the last contentious slot that was PoE’d and I think maybe good play is just killing you?

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Also S_S is the only one who had the motive to actually shoot skitter here.

Apart from, y’know, firebringer?

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Why is PP not in your pool monkey?

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I mean I see no reason to overthink it but I would slightly prefer S_S first

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VOTE: S_S

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I mean I see no reason to overthink it but I would slightly prefer S_S first

was he not a part of the townblocc yesterday?

He was, yes

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Now he is not

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Also reminder: Theoretically speaking, there's still an infinitesimal chance we have a silent SK (I probably would have gone down that route in this game status), but realistically we should be in TTTTK??

I think we start worrying about that when, in the words of the turkey, there are 3 scum flipped and the game isn’t over

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fire 1 mena 0

Also, if I may:

fire 1 mena 1

Haha, what can you do about it firepupper? That’s right, nothin!

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@ofhrz are scum multitasking?

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Sorry I almost lynched u @maria

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@a50 vote S_S then?

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Btw, if we do lynch the JOAT and the game isn't over then BINGLE is the SK. I know it's a very very unlikely scenario to begin with, but if it is the case then Bingle is the ONLY player in this player list who would adopt the holstering policy to hide his existence as SK.

Rude

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Does A50 have a fetish for insulting scum!me? I am beginning to wonder

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VOTE COUNT 1.37

gobbledygook [5]:

Datisi [651], Pink Ball [1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855], lilith2013 [2048]

— [L-2]

Something_Smart [5]

: Firebringer [1124], skitter30 [1664], gobbledygook [1704], Bingle [1927], Menalque [2000]

— [L-2]

lilith2013 [1]:

Blake Belladonna [1345]

Not Voting [2]:

Almost50, PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.38

Something_Smart [5]

: Firebringer [1124], skitter30 [1664], gobbledygook [1704], Bingle [1927], Menalque [2000]

— [L-2]

gobbledygook [4]

: Datisi [651], Pink Ball [1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855]

lilith2013 [1]:

Blake Belladonna [1345]

Firebringer [1]:

lilith2013 [2128]

Not Voting [2]:

Almost50, PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.39

Something_Smart [5]

: Firebringer [1124], skitter30 [1664], gobbledygook [1704], Bingle [1927], Menalque [2000]

— [L-2]

gobbledygook [5]

: Datisi [651], Pink Ball [1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855], lilith2013 [2218]

— [L-2]

lilith2013 [1]:

Blake Belladonna [1345]

MariaR [1]:

Almost50 [2174]

Not Voting [1]:

PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.40

gobbledygook [5]

: Datisi [651], Pink Ball [1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855], lilith2013 [2218]

— [L-2]

Something_Smart [3]

: Firebringer [1124], gobbledygook [1704], Bingle [1927]

PenguinPower [2]:

Blake Belladonna [2280], Menalque [2300]

MariaR [1]:

Almost50 [2174]

Pink Ball [1]:

skitter30 [2290]

Not Voting [1]:

PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.41

gobbledygook [6]

: Datisi [651], Pink Ball [1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855], lilith2013 [2218], Firebringer [2358]

— [L-1]

Something_Smart [2]

: gobbledygook [1704], Bingle [1927]

PenguinPower [2]:

Blake Belladonna [2280], Menalque [2300]

MariaR [2]:

Almost50 [2174], skitter30 [2314]

Not Voting [1]:

PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.FINAL

gobbledygook [7]

: Datisi [651], Pink Ball [1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855], lilith2013 [2218], Firebringer [2358], Almost50 [2367]

— HAMMER

Something_Smart [2]

: gobbledygook [1704], Bingle [1927]

PenguinPower [2]:

Blake Belladonna [2280], Menalque [2300]

MariaR [1]:

skitter30 [2314]

Not Voting [1]:

PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

This is kinda interesting. Both lilith and firebringer did move onto gobbles D1 when the alternative was SS. But equally, would lilith have felt comfortable enough with the gamestate to be distancing with firebringer while the scum PR was competing with a town wagon?

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Maybe it’s just datisi actually

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Maybe the last scum is actually just you

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I have not been scum with you,

I have actually, we were scum together in surprise mafia way back in the day where you and Dunn bussed me for the win

You don’t remember? Pepperidge farm remembers

I’m just saying, in a PL like this I’d definitely consider holstering and just scumhunting through the game. I also think Blake would potentially go down the route of just holstering, not just bingle. Maaaaybe datisi too

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i heard wjat you said

Your voting history really doesn’t look gr8 if you look in ofhrz’s ISO

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Like you parked on gobbles, wouldn’t commit on lilith/S_S and when you eventually did it was on S_S

Then immediately hopped to Maria once S_S dispersed

And then again were cagey about voting lilith (admittedly the latter bit of that was to troll me and I don’t think it was AI)

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I'd probably prefer to lynch Mena first.

Oh, interesting

Go on bingle

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Err, not sure

Idk which thing I should trust in more to read you by because you felt townie yesterday in interactions but like

Bingle is making sense about why S_S isn’t scum, prob more than A50 on why it was S/S. And then Blake I’m kind of giving a pass to after pushing lilith from D1 and having firebringer high in her PoE.

Maria could have been bussing with lilith I guess but she felt like a counterwagon.

I actually could see A50 as scum quite easily but everyone else is townreading him and skitter (conftown) who claims a high read rate on him was hard, hard townreading him so I’m giving him an uneasy pass.

So I’m kinda running out of names here. You and PP are the ones left and PP was calling for a lilith lynch all the way through the Maria wagon yesterday

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Maria/PP are town based on circumstances

In that post where you lay out how you’re scumreading me I’m also real interested in how these two are cleared to you @bingle

Well, more PP, but still

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Fire and Lilith were scum? I feel very smug right now.
I think Datsi/Bingle win us the game. Blake is clear from setup I think?

Good reads Maria

Maybe a little bit

Too good

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Finally, do you really think I shoot PB on N1 over everyone else??

SKITTER SHOT PB

Keep up

The rest is sort of compelling but also you were the first to deflect away (or like encouraging people not to) and your vote history also isn’t great in a similar way to datisi’s not being great

Also tbh I have no idea who let’s lilith claim vengeful there and I kind of think the answer is either “no-one” or “maybe Blake or bingle or S_S”

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I think the more likely explanation for the vengeful claim is lilith just did it, but if there is more to it imo it was either to try and make it seem like (S_S, bingle) couldn’t be the partner because “tHeY’d NeVeR lEt LiliTh cLaIm vEngEfUl” or it would be from Blake, in order for her to do the “oh shit don’t venge me!” move

But both of those seem unlikely

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Okay, when you put it like that it sounds really dumb

Who do you think we should lynch then datisi and what did you make of my logic for it being you or PP?

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I think because I was more willing to go off tone/gut with less confirmed info but now I’m really struggling to see how many people make sense as scum here and your name isn’t one of the ones that doesn’t make sense as scum given what’s now known

What’s this post in fb’s ISO then?

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I wonder if skitter and firebringer are scum together

No, i am teamed with u

Mena, Datisi is a threat to our scum win.
Please help me kill her. With votes.

So I just checked my role PM and it turns out I am in fact scum with firebringer

But tbf that was obvious anyway because he’d never be this excited if he were town plus he’s clearly fake claiming cop to try and draw a CC

I told u in post one in the PT if u ever read it that i was gonna claim cop. Smh

Hope it’s not any of these ones @datisi

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Pingu who do you think is scum?

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Bad?

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Mena, Datisi is a threat to our scum win.
Please help me kill her. With votes.

this one. guess why.

pedit oops

Is it actually lol

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Oh man is this post 3723 already

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Mine

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i know

pedit: it is not because he scumclaimed w you actually

What is it then? It wasn’t actually the post you linked right?

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Bad?

Yes. "gut" is bad at this point.

Who do you think is scum anyway?

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Hmmm.

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I legitimately snorted into my mouth

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Now we’re really playing the wifom game ey dats

Specifically I’m like “would scum datisi come up with something that insane in the hopes that I would think that it could only possibly come from town!datisi because obviously scum!datisi wouldn’t push something so obviously insane ONLY if scum!datisi knows it’s something too insane for her to push then maybe she would do that to get me to TR her — maybe scum!datisi even tells firebringer to use the “she”
pronoun to give her an option to draw a false link between the two of us” and look what happens when you start dabbling in conspiracy theories datisi, everyone gets sucked in

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Mena has been pretty bad this game despite substantial amount of posts. Just want that out there.

Hmm?

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I think I’ve been slightly above average for me in terms of overall scumhunting and significantly above in being obvtown

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You didn’t want lilith. You didn’t want fire. You wanted gobble.

Err. I wanted lilith and then came round? Fire was like the next person in my PoE and I didn’t want gobbles either — like there’s a very explicit point in D2 where I call it a bad hammer and I’m on record end of D1 before A50 quickhammered that I didn’t really feel the turkey any more.

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VOTE: PP

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I am a PR

I have results suggesting that datisi and bingle may not be scum although it’s not conclusive, it’s more strongly indicative of bingle!notscum than it is for datisi

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If people don’t think that any of (Maria, Blake, A50) are scum then I suggest we lynch through PP->datisi->S_S to end the game

Any objections or anyone who doubts I’m a PR?

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Last one should actually be S_S/bingle as there’s a slim possibility I have a false negative on him

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You didn’t come around to lilith scum

Semantics, I’m mixing it up with having hard scumread her at start of day and pushed her there

My logic was that she was either scum or if not then Maria was prob scum and I was happy to have Maria venged if lilith was town

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Disagree, I think this is entirely in line with how you might play scum and especially I think you might lazily hardbus lilith while avoiding doing any actual scumhunting. But mainly I think you saw my indecisiveness today as a possible weakness that you could push on and decided to try to start diminishing my contribution to the game

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PP isn’t scum period Mena

Disagree

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Yes, vote the PR, this will end well for you

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Sorry you’ve become a shitty player.

Really hoping you’re scum and you wouldn’t be a dick to me just for being wrong

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I bet you didn’t get my crumb thought datisi

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I bet you didn’t get it maria

I reckon you saw something else that wasn’t it

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My crumb game is like next level

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Well okay, maybe not next level but it’s pretty good

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I actually didn’t wanna out today, I wanted to save it for tomorrow in case we were wrong today but I really don’t feel like town!PP reacts like this and it’s the same feeling of ~*wrongness*~ I had about his reaction on D1 only now it’s amplified by the feeling that like.. he accepts he’s in the PoE but still seems

real keen

to not be lynched and to generate alternative avenues (see: his bad take that I’ve done badly this game and should be in consideration for today)

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I mean I’ll take hardpushing 1 scum, a misplaced tunnel on Maria, PoEing another scum and I’m pretty sure catching the last one (but if not then at least clearing one of the most scumread slots)... if that’s bad play I should play badly more often, it’s better than most of my good play

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2593?
ftr this isn't the only thing, i thought you felt kinda similar to the mason game but this jumped out at me lol

I mean I had to be more obvious about crumbing my results, yeah, so if I was NK’d people could see who I’d targeted

I crumbed my actual role mid-D1 tho but I highly doubt anyone is finding it

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I mean I’ll take hardpushing 1 scum, a misplaced tunnel on Maria, PoEing another scum and I’m pretty sure catching the last one (but if not then at least clearing one of the most scumread slots)... if that’s bad play I should play badly more often, it’s better than most of my good play

who did you clear?

Bingle, keep up

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There’s like, a slim chance of a false negative but I think he’s probably cleared

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I mean I’ll take hardpushing 1 scum, a misplaced tunnel on Maria, PoEing another scum and I’m pretty sure catching the last one (but if not then at least clearing one of the most scumread slots)... if that’s bad play I should play badly more often, it’s better than most of my good play

You give yourself too much credit tbh.

I’ll hold on your flip to decide if that’s true or not

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Last one should actually be S_S/bingle as there’s a slim possibility I have a false negative on him

this ain't a clear

Okay, let me rephrase — bingle is probably cleared, enough to the point that I don’t think he should be lynched before the people not prob!cleared mechanically, unless lylo is reached

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I mean do what must be done in lylo but I think the game ends if we lynch the penguin

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Cool, I intend to flip you @PP

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Maria, you should vote with me

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In which case congratulations for making a push so shitty that it outed a pr! Yay!

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@datisi you should vote the penguin if you’re still there and haven’t gone just yet

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In which case congratulations for making a push so shitty that it outed a pr! Yay!

Maybe next time don’t powerwall wordspew as a pr

I thought I was scum?

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Interesting that you’re so desperate to survive, PP

Wonder why that might be

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Especially as you’re resorting to OMGUSing a PR (basically conf!inno by setup) and have no other credibly scumreads and have about 40 posts of repeating a word that you’re now trying to crowbar into a form that even vaguely resembles “towncred”

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Fuck off mena. Your playing like shit or your scum and I’m done with you 900 post overextension.

Again, really hope you’re scum here who’s just playing to wincon

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You don’t feel honest at all PP

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@datisi you should vote the penguin if you’re still there and haven’t gone just yet

i am still here but considering my current levels of Thought i kinda don't want to be voting anything until i get a bit of time to reflect

also fuck me sun is up why am i here

Okay, but I’ll raise you: vote for scum and end the game?

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Nope. Town who’s sick of you being disingenuous towards me. I’m out.

I mean I’m a conf!inno basically so idk why you think I’m being disingenuous towards you, as you must know that it would be insanely moronic for me to fakeclaim a PR as scum here

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can we not

For once, I absolutely did not start this and don’t think it’s in anyway fair to suggest I’m responsible for it

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Ladies please you're both pretty stop voting each other

Who should we lynch then? Not really interested in datisi either as I think I have a softer clear on her from N1

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i didn't suggest you did or did not start it, i get sad when i see harsh words thrown around here and i'd appreciate if you don't fume ot further

I’m not fuming (I was maybe starting to get a little upset and will be moreso if PP does flip town because I’m genuinely upset that he’d take this approach to me scumreading him) I’m just trying to lynch the person who I think the game ends with and who you

literally just said you think is scum and have done since D1

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And I already know I have an uphill battle here because like half of the town is giving PP a free pass for ??? reasons so it would be nice if the

one person who apparently actually agrees he’s scum

could vote with me on it

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This has been a pleasant read.

Can you please vote PP so we can end the game?

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Cuz Mena is scum trying to make the situation fit his will.

Yes, scum who is *checks notes* fakeclaiming PR in an open setup with 2 mislynches remaining before lylo
Checks out, makes sense

Do you HEAR yourself?

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We’re not doing datisi or bingle when there are mechanical reasons to think that they’re both more likely to be town than scum

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Yes, scum who is *checks notes* fakeclaiming PR in an open setup with 2 mislynches remaining before lylo
Checks out, makes sense

Yeah, I was going to say the best move is to massclaim VT/not VT to ensure that we know where we stand, but that may not be necessary.

We should however probably say that you and Blake should retract now if you're fakeclaiming, or you will be lynched later if another PR flips.

I’m not fakeclaiming and have a crumb of my exact role from D1 that will also fit with my progression D2 on datisi and I crumbed both of my results quite blatantly too

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They should be off the table for today because the only person who should be on the table today is PP who has (1) no mechanical reason to be town (2) a fucking awful iso (3) decided to make an absolutely awful push on me today the moment he thought there might be support/decided to start misrepping the way I’ve played throughout the day and to diminish/cast shade on my contributions and (4) who seems positively desperate to survive when compared to, let’s say bingle

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Spoiler:

Just listen to the wind and it will tell you who to vote. Listen carefully.

lilith

lilith

lilith

lilith

biiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnggggggggglllllllllleeeeeee

lilith

lilith

Wow such push, much clearing

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They should be off the table for today because the only person who should be on the table today is PP who has (1) no mechanical reason to be town (2) a fucking awful iso (3) decided to make an absolutely awful push on me today the moment he thought there might be support/decided to start misrepping the way I’ve played throughout the day and to diminish/cast shade on my contributions and (4) who seems positively desperate to survive when compared to, let’s say bingle

I suppose that's fair.

Right now can you make the vote I need you to make so we can lynch him and end this game?

This game was super chill until now and tbh I just wanna get it over with

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I'll legit get a full face of clown makeup if PP is scum this game

Cool, and I’ll get one if he’s town, so how about we split the difference you vote him and we both wear half the makeup?

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Okay, who’s scum then bingle?

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Because there’s not an awful lot of names left and I’m not doing datisi > PP when he’s made a push this bad and she at least has some mechanical reasons to not be scum

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Maria isn't group scum because she was the alternative lynch to both lillith and S_S, and -similar to Bingle- I don't think lillith claims vengeful if Maria was on her team (not to mention Maria wanted lillith lynched and it didn't look like a bus to me)

Kinda this for Maria.

PP just repeatedly italicizing Lilith isn't a play for towncred, which makes it an unlikely bus. The push was too empty to be bussing.

Okay, have a look through the rest of the ISO, and stop when you get to any scumhunting whatsoever

Keep going...

Keep going...

Keep going...

Little bit more...

And oh, that’s the entire ISO

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He soft bussed lilith for the towncred because he did literally nothing else all game and wanted to cruise off the cred to the endgame for having softbussed not hardbussed

Who else do you think there is a compelling argument for their being scum, in light of claims and the information recently outed as a result of mine?

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Last post from me was @bingle

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Like honestly, could datisi be scum? Potentially and I entered today saying it

But PP’s push is fucking awful, and I almost feel like he just wants to end it and that’s why he’s making a push this bad. Like he subconsciously wants to be caught for it, I had a similar feeling with ducky not too long ago

But it comes down to — there are good reasons for /literally everyone to be town apart from datisi and PP and datisi has a somewhat mechanical clear on her PLUS she may not have done a lot but she also hasn’t made any awful pushes/

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But it comes down to — there are good reasons for /literally everyone to be town apart from datisi and PP and datisi has a somewhat mechanical clear on her PLUS she may not have done a lot but she also hasn’t made any awful pushes/

Was your target on Datisi N1 or N2?

Datisi N1, Bingle N2

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I see no need to full claim while everyone else is claiming VT and we know there are 3 PRs or 4 PRs plus an SK (where in the latter scenario the SK has holstered every night).

@blake knowing that bingle is strongly unlikely to be scum for mechanical reasons, who do you want to lynch/what happens to your lynchpool?

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Datisi, seeing as how 5 votes are needed to lynch, can you put the second one on PP now?

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He's either crumbing a tracker or JK. If tracker, then MafJOAT me would have had to ninja kill the claimed PR with evidence of a protective, not rb'd a claimed PR with evidence of a protective, or holster and not Strongman with evidence of a protective and a claimed vig who scumread me. Datisi is less conclusive because ninja kill N1 makes perfect sense with no setup knowledge.

If JK, it's even less conclusive because ambiguity of roleblock/protect, but the JOAT is more likely to perform the kill than a goon which makes it slightly clearing.

Bingle is correct.

@ofhrz, would a jailkeep stop a strongman?

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Given the missing kill N1, it seems more likely to me that if it’s been used, scum would have used ninja that night. And then with a missing kill that scum wouldn’t be sure of the reason for, they’d probably use the strongman on skitt in the case of a Doctor, right?

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i'm not sold on lynching PP (nor anyone else at the moment) so i don't see how my vote there would be useful

There are 4 names, choose one

(A50, maria, PP, S_S)

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I’d really appreciate it if everyone could stop making me want to ram my head through a wall, but we can’t always get what we want

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Then tell me how any of (A50, maria, S_S) make sense as scum

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Like, in a town!you world datisi, that is the scumpool if it’s not PP and there are reasons to think all of those people are town

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For S_S to be scum, firebringer literally bussed all of D1 including at points where scum’s only PR was at risk of being lynched. He was then also unwilling to bus lilith D2 despite being the only PR scum has, and firebringer kept bussing him > bussing lilith.

A50 is actually scummy imo, but skitter thought he was town and she’s now confirmed town and it was like her most confident read. Plus while he was bickering with me earlier today he did give reasons to think that he’s town outside of that — like shifting back to lilith from Maria when a maria mislynch was probably still possible and he was already TR widely enough he didn’t need to.

Maria is still within her scumrange (Maria is always within her scum range yadda yadda) but is somewhat cleared by being the wagon that sprung up against lilith after S_S’s wagon dispersed.

From the PoV of you town, those are literally the only 3 people who can be scum in all reasonable worlds, and those are all good reasons to think they’re town. Why is PP town/might PP be town vs any of those 3?

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if there was -one person- that madr perfect sense as scum i'd already be voting them

LITERALLY THERE IS AND YET I’M HAVING TO PUSH A BOULDER UP A HILL TO GET HIM LYNCHED FOR SOME REASON

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There is literally, LITERALLY one person who makes perfect sense as scum and who there is basically no reason to townread, that no one can give any compelling reasons for why he should be TR or for what about his play has been townie, and yet somehow this entire PL is still agonising over who should be the lynch today

It is BAFFLING to me

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Okay yeah I guess fypov it could also be MariaR but on the flip side she hasn’t made an awful fucking push today on a PR

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Nor has she been incredibly survivalistic and keen not to be lynched

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wasn't survivalism a part of your case against her yesterday?

Yes

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But I think that PP’s today has been much worse than her’s was yesterday

And idk what motivation town!him has to try to misrep what I’ve done today and to try to bring me back into the lynchpool

Whereas scum!him looking at me being indecisive today probably realised that even if he’s able to get a datisi lynch today that he’s gonna need more people viable to lynch later on or he’s fucked so he started making a move on someone who was already incredibly town but who he fucked up with by not realising I was a PR, and then decided to double down because the aggression in response to SRs on him has worked so far

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In which case congratulations for making a push so shitty that it outed a pr! Yay!

Maybe next time don’t powerwall wordspew as a pr

This reads incredibly much like him assuming me being a spammy player is indicative of my being a VT and not someone worried about eating a NK and being frustrated that his TPR read (probably on A50 or Maria?) was wrong

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Mena has been pretty bad this game despite substantial amount of posts. Just want that out there.

Mena has been pretty bad this game despite substantial amount of posts. Just want that out there.

Hmm?

Uh. Yeah. You didn’t want lilith. You didn’t want fire. You wanted gobble.

Where have you done good?

This is just outright lying and there’s no reason for him to do it as town but there is a reason to misrep my play if he’s scum and he has me as VT

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He’s saying that my being townread for pouring effort and enthusiasm into the game is something that made him think I wasn’t a PR because PRs are meant to try and lie low to avoid being NK targets

So he pushed me thinking I wasn’t a PR only for me to spring it on him

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And now he’s doubling down on it because he’s lazy, he’s trapped and he thinks his best hope of survival is to fake a tunnel soOoOoOoOoOoOo severe that he just hAaAaAaAaAas to keep it up even after I’m conftown

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Look how lazy the justicstions for voting me are once I’ve claimed PR

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You and Blake. Yes.

Walk me through it so I understand.

Skitter fakeclaimed in an open and made it to lylo.

Lmao

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Okay let me put it this way for both of you:

Penguin: At the moment Mena is basically clear, we won't be lynching him today until new events show up and even then I don't know if he's scum.

Mena: PP voted Lilith basically the entire game and the way he's reacting right now strongly represents a town game of his before.

You're both town, let us figure out the last scum

I’m tunneled. I need a target to move out of it.

Yes, very believable

iT’s aN oPeN sEtUp bUt i GueSs i’Ll kEeP vOtiNg cOnFtoWn beCaUsE i’M tUnNeLleD lOl

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Mena is scum or needs to go back to retirement because he’s completely misrepresent pretty much everything he knows about me. Again.

If I go first, fine.

“If I go first fine”

>Proceeds to make 40 posts to try to not be lynched

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i'm not saying it's a good look for him. but you quoting those posts and adding snarky remarks that have no value is not helping.

I’m not just being snarky although I am a bit because this is fucking frustrating that there is open scum in the setup that nobody will vote

But all the things I’m being snarky about are LEGITIMATE REASONS TO SCUMREAD HIM

Like I’m not just asspulling this, these are all reasons for him to be scum

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if lilith is scum i don't think mena or blake are

I disagree with this for Blake. Mostly agree for Mena.

Convenient how this disappeared from his memory too

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holy shit.

VOTE: pp

are you gonna stop spamming the thread now with useless posts?

Yes, until the next person comes online who I need to do the same to to get them to vote PP

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hmm, i was gonna ask you if you thought the lilith/pp fight at sod1 could be s/s (i assume you'd say yes, so to elaborate) but scrolling though mod's iso i see lilith was voting fb for a bit at eod1 so it's not a good argument regardless

do you have any VCA Thoguhts now that we have flips? mainly on/off wagon on day 1?

I’m planning to go through the VCA with colours to see what it looks like visually, but PP scum fits with 2 on 1 off

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I think it’s pretty likely, but gobbles was a fairly safe wagon to be on given the SK claim-retraction so it’s not as safe an assumption as it would be had that not happened

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Sad Penguin Says: Sorry mena...I was a bit over the top last night

I just don't see how you believe what you are saying about my play given that you know me and what you're asserting is pretty antithetical to my actual play, so it comes across as disingenuous and manufactured and I don't see why town!mena does that.

UNVOTE:

mechanics and stuff blah blah blah

Apology accepted, and I’m sorry if I, in my turn, got a bit too frustrated about the situation.

I don’t know what you think I should be seeing in your play that I’m not, if you think that you’re obviously town, and I don’t get the sense that you’re town that I have in other semi-recent games (I wanna say post-apocalyptic maybe? Definitely in tris’ mini normal, but is there a more recent mini we’ve done since then where I correctly TR you).

I stand by the fact that (Blake, me, bingle) should all be cleared from everyone’s perspective — fypov, that leaves scum in (datisi, S_S, maria, A50). I think if you’re town then you should be trying to sort within those names to find scum, bearing in mind that I don’t find any of them compelling as scum apart from maybe datisi, and regarding her I still think she’s less likely to be scum because of mechanics.

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I’d really like to hear from Blake.

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Well, we know datisi didn’t make the kill on N1 in the case that I’m the JK which seems unlikely given she’d have to be the JOAT or in the case that I’m the tracker we know she made the kill with ninja N1.

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The logic for Bingle being cleared is that it's crazy for scum to use neither strongman nor roleblock last night, when they already had a missed kill. This is assuming that they did have a missed kill, but that seems pretty likely to me. The only thing I can think of is that they might have seen what they thought was a PR soft from PB, but it must have been pretty convincing because PB was pretty widely scumread.

Or, in the case that I’m a jail keeper, it means that firebringer made the kill.

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S_S what do you think about who’s scum? Not just mechanics but who do you think is scum by play at this point?

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Oh fuck it, I’m a tracker, I don’t think the added ambiguity is that helpful at this point

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It will be a travesty if skitt and I both finally rolled town and PRs and we didn’t end up getting horrendously paranoid of each other and we still don’t win

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@bingle and @S_S I’d like to hear from both of you on whether you think it would be optimal for scum to make a kill using ninja on N1 or to save that for later

I’d also like to hear what you think based on play

MariaR, why do you think datisi is scum and why do you think PP is town?

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Thanks dats

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S_S what do you think about who’s scum? Not just mechanics but who do you think is scum by play at this point?

@bingle and @S_S I’d like to hear from both of you on whether you think it would be optimal for scum to make a kill using ninja on N1 or to save that for later

I’d also like to hear what you think based on play

MariaR, why do you think datisi is scum and why do you think PP is town?

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What order should we kill them in?

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Btw even if we get consensus here we’re not ending day before Blake gets back

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I’d really like to hear from Blake.

What would you like to hear from me?

Who you think is scum now that bingle is essentially cleared. Do you still think S_S is scum > datisi/PP?

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Do you think that PP’s play today is still within the realm that it could come from town or has that had any impact in your read on him?

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Oh, and what you think of Maria, for that matter.

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Okay, that’s cool, I can wait

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Can we like, get a clue regarding what the interesting things are though? Are they VC related?

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Blake, I’m here and I’m listening: why is the penguin not scum?

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Like I think my order would go:

PP->datisi->Maria at this point

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Although I don’t really like datisi’s posting on this and the last page and I do like PP’s

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please tell me you also have an imaginary town!datisi reaction in mind that i was supposed to perform after what happened during the last few pages.

Me or blake?

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and you went from calling me town to thinking i'm the last scum by looking at colored votecounts because...?

pedit: this was @blake but bingle's last post is making me question if there is a point to arguing

This sort of felt like caught scum, as did you focussing on wanting Blake to explain her reasons real bad

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Idk, I guess I think the townier response is to call that ridiculous or something rather than try to get the person to provide reasons so you can argue about them

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In order for this not to be a townwin, someone has to have played a phenomenal scumgame fmpov.

Bingle says as he smirks slyly

I guess the main thing I like about pingu’s posting the last two pages was this because it was funny

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I just laughed again and that’s like the third time I’ve read it and it’s elicited the same response

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But like

Why tho

Why does it matter that much so long as scum is somewhere in the (datisi, maria, PP) group

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Like you know that Blake is conftown, idk why it bothers you this much seemingly when town wins even if she’s wrong on you

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You’re scum because you are MARIAr

This is starting to feel like the only answer people have atm ;-;

Hey, I already said sorry!

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You’re scum because you are MARIAr

This is starting to feel like the only answer people have atm ;-;

Also, I really did try to read you based on gamestate and not get paranoid about not being able to read you as a player this time, it’s just that my gamestate read there was, um, wrong and I should have stayed on lilith scum beforehand

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Can we do a fast night this time if datisi is town?

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But like

Why tho

Why does it matter that much so long as scum is somewhere in the (datisi, maria, PP) group

it matters to me? for learning how i can play better (because guess what, i don't like being lynchbait and it seems like that's what i'm becoming lately) and also to not have people falsely pride themselves about being able to easily recognize town!me when that's clearly not the case?

also, there's a somewhat chance last scum isn't in there but i don't wanna open that can of worms

I don’t think it means you’re lynchbait if you get lynched on PoE when there are a bunch of reasons to be townreading most of the other slots in the game

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I’m still a little hurt by how you reacted to me last night though

[Menalque]

I would like to strongly suggest that PP be lynched > Maria tomorrow if the game doesn’t end but I can live with the reverse I guess (corollary that there should always be a final paranoia check if this game does make it to lylo)

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I get it - and I brought some rl stuff in that I shouldn’t have (no excuse) - but I also was pretty miffed at your characterization of me.

Probably a postgame talk though.

This is probably fair. I think, despite my efforts to return more chilled out, the feeling that I’m being diminished in my contribution or that people are suggesting I’m scum when I think I’m far beyond the point where I could be scum is still a bit of a flashpoint for me on my side.

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VOTE: datisi

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Let’s go

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Sure

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Do you think it’s penguin?

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Everyone actually vote fast night this time

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>anticipating Maria responding to me
>she skips straight ahead to discussing datisi!flip
>sad_mena.jog

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Sorry dats (if ur not just trolling)

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I’ll track PP

Assuming Blake will hide behind maria

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i don't troll in twilight.

Yes I thought I remembered that you didn’t

But hey, a boy can dream

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Mena if Datisi flips town you're going to go back to pushing me and we're gonna have the same tango again. I'm not looking forward to it.

Bold to assume I won’t be dead

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Go sleep dats, I think you played fine as either alignment

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Very interesting

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I was roleblocked

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Assuming Blake didn’t change her plan, this means that Maria is hard cleared

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(PP, S_S, A50)

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I was looking at the VC’s last night though, and the interesting thing is that I wasn’t convinced on it being PP — actually, comparing PP and Maria, I thought Maria looked worse and PP looked quite good

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It could still just be PP and the VCA I’m doing is wrong or flawed, but yeah, if we assume PP!scum and everyone else!town it looks a little janky

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If PP scum:

Bingle

[4]:

Menalque

,

PenguinPower

,

gobbledygook

,

Firebringer

,

Menalque

[3]:

skitter30

,

Datisi

,

Bingle

,

PenguinPower

[3]:

Blake Belladonna

,

lilith2013

,

MariaR

,

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart

,

Pink Ball

,

Chemist1422

,
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gobbledygook

[5]:

Bingle

,

Datisi

,

PenguinPower

,

Menalque

,

MariaR

, [L-2]

Bingle

[2]:

Firebringer

,

gobbledygook

,

PenguinPower

[2]:

Blake Belladonna

,

lilith2013

,

MariaR

[1]:

skitter30

,

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart

,

Pink Ball

,

Chemist1422

,
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gobbledygook

[4]:

Bingle

,

Datisi

,

Menalque

,

Pink Ball

,

MariaR

[2]:

gobbledygook

,

skitter30

,

skitter30

[2]:

Blake Belladonna

,

MariaR

,

Something_Smart

[1]:

Firebringer

,

PenguinPower

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Menalque

[1]:

PenguinPower

,

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart

,

Chemist1422

,
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gobbledygook

[7]:

Datisi

,

Pink Ball

,

Something_Smart

,

MariaR

,

lilith2013

,

Firebringer

,

Almost50

, — HAMMER

Something_Smart

[2]:

gobbledygook

,

Bingle

,

PenguinPower

[2]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Menalque

,

MariaR

[1]:

skitter30

,

Not Voting [1]:

PenguinPower

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[4]:

Menalque

,

Almost50

,

PenguinPower

,

Blake Belladonna

, -- [L-2]

Something_Smart

[2]:

skitter30

,

Firebringer

,

Not Voting [5]:

Bingle

,

MariaR

,

Something_Smart

,

lilith2013

,

Datisi

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[4]:

Menalque

,

Almost50

,

PenguinPower

,

Blake Belladonna

, -- [L-2]

Something_Smart

[3]:

skitter30

,

Firebringer

,

Bingle

,

Not Voting [4]:

MariaR

,

Something_Smart

,

lilith2013

,

Datisi

,
-------------------------------------

MariaR

[3]:

skitter30

,

Almost50

,

Datisi

,

lilith2013

[2]:

MariaR

,

PenguinPower

,

Something_Smart

[2]:

Firebringer

,

Bingle

,

Firebringer

[1]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart

,

lilith2013

,

Menalque

,
-------------------------------------

MariaR

[4]:

skitter30

,

Almost50

,

Datisi

,

Menalque

, -- [L-2]

lilith2013

[2]:

MariaR

,

PenguinPower

,

Something_Smart

[2]:

Firebringer

,

Bingle

,

Firebringer

[1]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Not Voting [1]:

Something_Smart

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[5]:

PenguinPower

,

Blake Belladonna

,

MariaR

,

Almost50

,

skitter30

, — [L-1]

MariaR

[2]:

Datisi

,

Menalque

,

Something_Smart

[1]:

Firebringer

,

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart

,

Bingle

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[6]:

PenguinPower

,

MariaR

,

Almost50

,

Bingle

,

Firebringer

,

Menalque

, — HAMMER

MariaR

[1]:

Datisi

,

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Firebringer

[1]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart

,

skitter30

,
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Specifically, it means there was a wagon of 4 town on maria!town in response to S_S wagon collapsing

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And instead of moving or doing anything to support the most likely wagon to then flip town, PP kept softbussing the whole time

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Does that not seem odd to anyone else?

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I think /think/ I’m okay with bingle winning if he didn’t use a role N2 and got fb to make the kill /just in case he was being tracked/

I would still like to attempt VCA with him though

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I mean I already said that I thought that lilith was being bussed if she was scum. Clearly something screwy was going on with those wagons no mater what.

So do you think it’s PP?

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Does that not seem odd to anyone else?

Yes.

But SS being wagoned concurrently with a partner and then not jumping onto the cw and A50 being scum just make much less sense.




Also, my contribution to this game is remembering to make sure MariaR was cleared, so she's now contractually obliged to carry me.

So... who is it Bingle? PP?

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Bingle, recap me again on why S_S can’t be scum

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Because if it can’t be be S_S then it’s literally GG and the final scum is in A50/PP

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I’ll come back when I don’t want to just slump my head into my desk but atm I’m prob voting SS

Hmm, how come? I think that may be the wrong choice if we only have 2 lynches left, and if it is you can always choose S_S tomorrow if you’re that certain that penguin is town

[Menalque]

Or you can fight it out with bingle or whatever

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I think I might want to lynch the monkey today

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I think I need to take a step back and reread because this game is hard now and if we lynch the monkey it means going against Blake and skitter’s reads and those are two people I trust a lot

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I sorta think A50 is scum who’s trying to reintroduce bingle to the lynchpool because he’s trapped by the current PoE

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I think I’d rather lynch you -> PP but Maria will be the one making the call as I’ll be dead

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VOTE: bingle

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Would prefer it if we didn’t hammer this quickly, very strongly

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UNVOTE:

Hmm, hang on, Blake thought she was roleblocked I think

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It's entirely possible that the scumteam suspect that I was the one who blocked their kill on night one, so they roleblocked me instead night two.

Is this Blake saying that she thinks she was roleblocked on N2 @maria?

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Blake can’t have been on fb or bingle on N2 because she voted bingle and if bingle had used strongman he would have shown up to me. Can’t have been on fb or he wouldn’t have died.

ofhrz, what result would a tracker receive if they targeted someone who had been jail kept?

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The missing kill on N1 told you there was a JK/Doctor in play,

Could also be a commuter or a hider from a scum pov

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I remember reading somewhere that false innos tend to fuck towns much harder than false guilties, and I’m wondering if that’s what’s happening here. Because actually, if Blake didn’t roleblock firebringer or bingle, it makes perfect sense that the ninja could have been used then, and I don’t see why the ninja would necessarily be used on N1

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And like, the game just doesn’t make that much sense right?

Multiple people who have good reads have said PP is varying degrees of town, Maria is willing to bet the game on that

Maria is cleared

A50 was the top townread of both skitter and Blake at the times of their deaths

S_S doesn’t make sense as scum according to Bingle

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Bingle is the person who everyone was saying makes sense (all the dead townies anyway) as scum based on his play. I think that follows looking at who he pushed and when — he wanted S_S over lilith because “no one makes sense as a partner” which is I think quite spurious reasoning — fb, who bingle was meant to be scumreading, always made sense with lilith, no? He also hopped onto Maria after S_S!wagon died and then only hopped back to lilith once she was looking like the lynch. If there was anyone who shifted the momentum there, I think it was A50

So if the scumteam didn’t use the ninja shot N1, it would make perfect sense to use it N2, no? And then bingle would hard defend S_S as a pocket, knowing that there are easily explainable kills all the way to lylo (me, Blake, Blake’s clear) where he uses the pocket on S_S to lynch the monkey

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Like bingle makes sense as the JOAT in every sense apart from his clear — but what if his clear isn’t a clear because there is an exact counter to the most likely invest in the game. If I’d tracked fb, he’s be the top of the list. And the alternative is, if scum knew they were in a really bad position and they *had* burned the ninja, I’d always look at that scumteam expecting bingle to be making the endgame carry, not fb. So it could also make sense for fb to make the kill even as the goon to preserve bingle’s endgame equity

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I guess the other thing that doesn’t make sense for bingle!scum and which is sort of compelling as a reason to read him as town is — why would he not roleblock skitter? But that’s a compelling argument for anyone as scum when skitter had one of her top scumreads as a possible vig target

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I still think PP’s reaction to me was very bad but the VCA didn’t make a lot of sense to me with PP as the final scum

Do we lynch bingle today and then maybe S_S?

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I wonder if dead thread is screaming at me for thinking about lynching someone I have a “didnt go anywhere” result on for N2 or if they’re applauding

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Although if Bingle flips town, I really think PP is someone you should reconsider @maria, because that means that bingle’s argument for why S_S isn’t scum makes sense AND is an argument that he’s been making in good faith all this time and not to set up endgame