Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

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Yes, that's why i claimed, cuz lilith was very likely to vote me and i didnt want to be

Pedit wut

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Tw do i remember the last time i played with scum-you? I'm thinking starcraft but there's like almost got sure something after, no?

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*for sure
Sigh

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Yeah i'm blanking on the game too ...

Pedit ? Um

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=80162

Apparently this one, from a year ago, wherein you started by calling me scum for dubious reasons, were kinda flaky, loltownbinned me, and repped out

Since then we've also had a tvt (nomnom's c++), and like three games of me-scum you-town, and a bunch of games that i played and you spectated/modded or vice versa

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Yeah and then going back to starcraft there's another me-scum and you-town. Maybe another tvt (i just lost track, i looked at like 20 game threads just now), and starcraft

Soi think out of the past 8 it's like two or three tvt's, me-scum you-town 4 times, and you-scum me-town like twice

I think starcraft and american presidents stained my soul and made me permanently paranoid

But even so i dont *think* this is ur scumgame

Also apparently i was at least one newbie with mena, dats, and bugs apiece

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the scum took this to mean that you would visit her

I wasnt gonna visit her cuz she was dying well before the fn thing came to light

Hence visiting dats

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think about how good of a position TW/SS would be in on D2 if you had visited Lilith on N1 -

Cept i knew she was dying (coughs at the bg who claimed bg) and so i had decided like mid-day1 (ie dozens of pages before the fn vlaim or i indicated i was a pr) that i wasnt gonna visit her

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you were trying to mis-elim skitter on Day 1 before she claimed FN

No offense to tw but i dont think scum-him thinks he can actually get me elim'd

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I also, tbf, knew i had an ace up my sleeve and was actively playing in a way that i knew would look scummy so i wouldnt, like, die

If i wasnt doing that he doesnt get nearly as close as he did

Yes i was kinda close at the end of the day but i only let it get that close knowing i could claim confirmable pr if necessary and that i dont get voted out if i do

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I think we've rolled against each other too many times to be able to read each other as cleanly as we did back in like 2018

Big mood

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but do you think SS actually thought that you and aldus were scum together?

Just cuz two names are at the bottom of thr lisy doesnt mean they're scum together, no?

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fwiw I don't think it's ever worth playing with fire when you're softing confirmable after watching your IC play in jazz mafia(I think? the one where you are scum Krazy)

Ii mean this is why i called u scum when u called me scum for softing confirmable because u absolutely should have been thinking lf this and, like, not thinking i was scum

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But scum-duck doesn't know you have an ace up your sleeve, he's pushing because you are v scary to him no?

He loltownbins me as scum and pockets me and nk's me when the pocket is wearing thin

He doesnt try to lynch me cuz he's not, like, suicidal. If he had to choose how to get me out of thr game as scum he does not force a 1v1 with town-me cuz he will lose (sorry ducky <3) and the game will turn into a shitshow along thr way and he doesnt really like/want to foment that

Like i'm telling u we have oodles of history and that's not plausible for scum-him.

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Scum!Duck takes the fight to town!skitter and tries to get her mis-elim'd on D1 because that's fun for Scum!duck to do and scum!duck doesn't care all that much about winning or losing.

No

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No sorry i dont buy it

I appreciate that ur trying hard but that narrative isnt plausible and that's now how he approaches a game with town-me

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He loltownbins me as scum and pockets me and nk's me when the pocket is wearing thin

He doesnt try to lynch me cuz he's not, like, suicidal. If he had to choose how to get me out of thr game as scum he does not force a 1v1 with town-me cuz he will lose (sorry ducky <3) and the game will turn into a shitshow along thr way and he doesnt really like/want to foment that

Like is any of this wrong?

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We've been playing on and off for like two years now, and have loads of games together, and have talked about how we play around each other extensively both in and out of games

The narrative you're presenting is exceedingly unlikey, sorry

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Cuz i'm scary as town and he'd want to try to play towards wincon

If i went all-in on him day1 (i didnt) he very likely ends up voted out, which isnt helpful

This convo isnt really going anywhere and wont be convincing me of anything

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Daaaaaaaaats

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Oh sorry
We can talk later

I'm ready to end the day tho

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Sure

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Um

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Well ... if this is a loss ... sorry pooky

But apparently ur tw/ss theory wasnt right either

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Apparently? Idk who the partner is tho

I guess ss

Bleh sorry all

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I dont feel like i got a satisfactory ending

Pedit idk i dont think so

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Wjat the hell do i know

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AjiaiabUBauBhauahah

I guess raven/ss then

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Ok well at least i dont have to think about it anymore

Tw if ur scum plz dont troll i dont think i can handle it

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AhaihGHauagahah

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I mean i think so

Raven if ur scum i actually have some signficant with how you handled this lylo

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* significant issues

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I mean

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Dats happy my townread on u was right
Tw happy i came around in the end

Should have done more to check the ss read and i will stick with the tell that not voting is scum-indicative for him as he's done it three games now

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I think this was lost like ... early day2 when it became a pooky/dsjstr dynamic

Should have stuck with the thought that ravens entrance on me was bad

Lilith dying i guess was so that te me/tw thing would keep going

Pedit he votes more as town. I think he cast like two non-lylo votes across three scumgames, *if* that

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Sigh
Should have checked the ss read some more

I dont think we would have won lynching raven today

This was lost a very long time ago, we just didnt realize it
Ss even said as such

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Pls no troll

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b) sometimes ss votes more as town
=/= If SS isn't voting much he isn't town

I mean true, but there's also a pattern of him, like, not voting in scumgames which i dont see happening in towngames

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City, jk++, and now this one

I think he casted literally no votes through lylo in all of them
(City his hydra partner, lilith, did, but i'm talking about him, not his slot)

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Well, now hiatusing
I wonder what i will do with all my newfound spare time

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Uh technically in jk++ he may have cast a bussing vote on his partner day2 with competing wagons when he was all but forced to

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Huh well what do u know, maybe not then

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Yep. I'll discord u later!

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And yep happy i played with u one more time too!

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gg
i have some thoughts but i don't want to get into it right now i think

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thanks micc

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i guess i'm not crazy for thinking that fn + bomb + mfd was kinda balanced
and i was right on tw way back when, wrong just about on anything else

i think this was lost like early day2 and i guess i'll have a retrospective on just why/how later

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I probably won’t say anything else until I can write something that won’t get me banned.

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i have some things to say to that i that i probably should not say here

in fact i have a lot of things to say that i probably don't want to say rn

but yeah

enjoyed the pl for the most part
grats scum

micc i gotta say that the game was ~out-of-the-norm~ enough that it was hard to make any determinations on what or could be considered fair-game here.
i thought the game was normal-adjacent until the pooky vig/bomb thing happened. and then didn't. and then did again cuz he was probably lying, right? and then the mfd kinda threw all that out of the window

thanks for modding tho

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i have some things to say to that i that i probably should not say here

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@pooky... sorry. just... sorry.

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i guess i'm not crazy for thinking that fn + bomb + mfd was kinda balanced

You are. It's not.

ok makes me feel a bit better than, the setup was kinda wack which didn't help things
significant portion of clearing tw came down to that but given the setup not sure i could have assessed that otherwise

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Well done skitt for calling tw on D1, I also thought he wouldn’t leave you alive + claim bg D2 and I didn’t think he would vs you on D1 bc while I was reading that I was like “uhh I think they’re both town but I would 100% vote the duck here if I had to”.

in retrospect i probably should have forced it like day1. i feel kinda bad forcing things tho. there were a few key moments where his reaction to things was just Very Wrong
(but overall he played well and i got snowed <3)

i think this game was lost like early day2 and that we just didn't realize it. there was a confluence of factors, i'm realizing, that made it incredibly unlikely that i would have correctly gotten to a solve this past day even though something was niggling at me throughout this whoe past day that the townbloc wasn't ~quite~ as solid as i would have liked

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it was deeply unpleasant to read

very large parts of this was unpleasant to play through if i'm being honest
you're all cool people
this was ... not easy

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Wait hold on, I thought DonCorleone was gobbledygook

Did I miss something?

no, it's mena! i almost slipped up calling him that this game multiple times

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<3. I hear you. Please give me a few days to get back to myself and we can either PM or DM, Dats as well. In fact. if both of you have Discord we can do a 3 on 1 chat if you like.

maybe in a few days
i don't want to talk about it rn

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Oh and btw Skitter the knowledge that bugs would actually almost lolhammer his own teammate totally blew my mind.

they didn't lolhammer me
they lolhammered someone else (nahdia maybe?) and then fake-claimed what we agreed in teh scum pt what i would fake-claim

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yeah ... i have a lot of thoughts on that. kinda want to talk to him about it when he gets in here too.
kinda sorry it ended the way it ended

also not sure i could have gotten to the correct solve given everything.

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u had it as long as u stopped with the ridiculous notion that TW had to be real. i dont think u had enough tw scum/skitter town games to have a good argument on "things tw would never do" for the past 6-12 months(which is about how long one should ever trust meta wrt things like this lol)

tbf i said i was really, really not good at mechanics and was outsourcing the fact that he had to be real to 3 people who were better at gauging that sort of thing than me, who all told me we needed the bg, and who all could not be scum

if it wasn't that, i don't think i would have cleared him. i knew there was something wrong with the me/dats/tw townbloc that it got settled into but i didn't know what it was, and i didn't have the energy to figure out where i was going wrong

(like as i've already commiserated with tw ... this wasn't the full conftown!skitter lylo experience (tm))

you're right i should not have trusted year old meta when he was coming off of the hiatus tho

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i currently think that all scum is in {tw, raven, aldu}.

tfw skitter was right on D1

yeah i should have just stuck with that but i got a bit distracted ... went for aldu first and that messed with things lol, and those pesky scumz were doing a thing too

i hate it when i get it a full solve in a group of people like {the size of the scumteam + 1} and i manage to lynch ... the one not scum in the group. that's a thing that happens sometimes lol

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It's not very well known but she's actually a pretty good player, not that I'd ever say that to her face.

:shocked_pikachu: that you would ever say such a thing

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ty!

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ty!

the first mbos was a real doozy

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why were yall doubting my SS locktownread though

tbf i only really did once raven hammered

he was my town pick in raven/ss/pooky (partially why the game didn't make sense cuz raven/pooky wasn't a satisfactory solve)

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Sorry aldu <3

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What tw said ^

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skitter almost nailed this game day 1 tho. scumreads on TW and raven

and you :/
and i managed to pick the right one

should have listened to myself too and force the tw elim that day even tho it woudl have been, like, messy lol

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*the wrong one

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i think from that vantage point u were mostly fine tbh

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oh yeah no.

i have a lot of

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bleh

i have a lot of ~thoughts~ on that that i probalby don't want to get into