Mini 603 - Unorthodox Venture - Over

[Niv]

Prods please?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Where is everyone?

[Niv]

not sure, we need some prods, Mos: If yuo were to lay down your vote right now who would it be for?

[Niv]

you know what same questions tothe other three as well

[Flameaxe]

Homecoming week. I'll get to this website when I get to it. Don't expect much of any activity this upcoming week either.

[Mastermind of Sin]

not sure, we need some prods, Mos: If yuo were to lay down your vote right now who would it be for?

Niv or Skitzer.

[Niv]

Homecoming week. I'll get to this website when I get to it. Don't expect much of any activity this upcoming week either.

this is the slowest game probally on the site, and AFAIC it shouldn't take more than 3 minutes to lay down a vote. infact, pacing an oponion would hae taken longer than this post. not to good.

[Coron]

Coron, you know you are my #3 suspect, right?

Indeed, if I thought anything different it would be insulting to you. As for my top two suspects I think I was fairly clear with my last post.

I've been extremely busy at school lately, but I'm on break now, so I should have time for a couple days at least.

If I had to choose a top suspect it would be Skitzer, but again I'm fairly certain it's both Skitzer and Niv.

[skitzer]

I'm going to get to this game ASAP.

[skitzer]

An analysis of Niv.

mainly cause i hate the random voting stage. by generating a wagon straight off, even if it draws a lot of attention to me, i get to start the game a lot faster

FoS Roffman

Okay. After waffling back and forth and reading the "miller strategies" thread in General discussion (which I did NOT start, it was already there) I'm going to claim: I'm a miller. I figure this is the better option, because it gives the town a cop investigation on me without whoever the cop is wasting a night.

and random

vote: White Rabbit

Man this is scummy as heck.

WR: this will help me, please be truthful, what is your mafia experence


Leys not forget the opening Move

Vote Niv

. He sucks so bad he must always be scum.

HoS WR

First part (FoSing roffman): Tons of people do this. If you FoSed every single person who said that, you'd have FoSes to the moon.
Second part: Personally I think what WR did was not a bad thing. Think about how clueless we would be about the setup had WR not claimed. And did you expect WR to lie about their experience and say "oh yeah, I'm SUPER experienced."?

Third part: Why vote yourself when you have so much supposedly "scummy" information already?

Un FoS WR,

seing as you have little experence, i wil not be voting you. a scum with your experence probally wouldn't have none that. although if you are still alive in late game, i would advocate your viging

Even if you aren't voting WR, I think he would still deserve the FoS you gave him. Also, you seem to be expecting a vig in this claim. Is it stretching it to say that you were contemplating a vig claim until everyone else started claiming roles that were useless on their own?

...
No sane scum would claim miller. (well, there's a wifom to that. But let's ignore the wifom for a moment and look at it on the basic level.)

If you claim miller right away, you get a HELL of a lot of unwanted attention, scrutiny, and people accusing you of being scum for that reason only. Scum doesn't WANT extra attention.

Granted.. there's a wifom element to this, that I could claim miller because no one ever claims miller as scum to prove my innocence. But tactically, I wouldn't go for that. It's a wifom that's very risky. Anyway.

And also: not to kick a dead horse, but Niv, I don't get how this is a "newb mistake". If you look at the thread, many experienced players advocate this strategy. I don't think I made the wrong choice here.

Well it really is just a mater of persoal prerence, and this entire post, even though you say it is wifom yourself, is scummy as hell

You are just a tad bit indecisive on your stance on WR at this point.

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I interpreted this to mean that I was leading someone to investigate me. I thought it would be obvious that no one should investigate me. Can you explain what you were trying to say? I'm serious here.

If we investugate you we'd get a guilty, in a normal mini. However, this isn't a normal mini. Whatever the cop can do, we should put it to the test by investigating you.

Unvote, Vote: MafiaSSK

Unvote, Vote: MafiaSSK

I hat it when people beat me to the thread

If you really were town, you would explain to others by putting a dainty explanation. But maybe the others should "figure it out" first so that your not thought to be an idiot? And at this point in the game, what stops you from believing MafiaSSK?

Well, done posting here, I'm out of time. More on this case tomorrow.

[zu_Faul]

No posts in 64 hours = Deadline.

Deadline: Sunday, 2nd of November, 2000 GMT

[Mastermind of Sin]

Skitzer's point about the vig claim has me interested.

[skitzer]

This game is one of many that needs my attention. I can do it all tonight, unless I get distracted. Please don't let me get distracted.

[zu_Faul]

BUMP AND MASSPROD

[skitzer]

What are your reasons for the votes?

If to me something is so freeking obviousally scummy, I let others figure it out for themselvs, and then if knowone else sees it, then i know i'm an idiot. I think there are some people in here that know that I'm known to not make much sence sometimes and completally over react.

Hi

This sounds so much like "I let others do the reasoning for me, so that I can simply say 'you noticed that too?' and then just place a vote". I don't think this is pro-town in any book.

shooting a shotgun into the water is just "Blatent fishing"

Besides, no offence, you being a newb, may have answered that wuestiomn, and MoS was talking advantage of you. just bad

I don't like this. It seems like Niv wanted to blame MoS for his fishing, but then you give WR more blame for just answering question. It was quite obvious from the way that WR had looked for miller strategies that it signified she was nothing more than a miller.

Well, since I'm close to being lynched, I should claim, even though it's totally retarded that I'm getting voted over this. At least my claim will explain where I was coming from with WR.

I am a protown Lyncher whose goal is to lynch the

Cop

. If I successfully get the cop lynched, I gain a 100% guaranteed to work doc ability, a day-vig ability, AND a cop investigation that will be either sane or insane.

And you wonder why I don't believe a simple miller claim? Sheesh.

This role is redculassly powerful imo. Zu Fayul is a good mod, and I'd trade a cop for this thing any day. there is no way that this role is in the game.If MoS has this role i will chop my liver and Mail it to the excuter of MoS estate and promply lock my dors and windows and never leave my room again.

AKA Mos, You + making NO sence + a Role that is RETARDED = Mos is in need of dying. Vote lock MoS

Yes, Zu Faul may be a good mod, but I'm sure MoS is a talented a player himself, and if he made up that claim so that he could avoid a lynch, that's grounds for locking him up in asylum. Maybe the entire point of what MoS has claimed to be his role is that it allows the players to figure out just what made this setup so unorthodox.

The only person that is hurt by the SK claiming is the mafia. This move has been proven through trial and error to severely disrupt the mafia and give the SK a better chance of winning. We even used this method at Thespival, with much success. The SK needs to claim Day 1 to win.

Unless there is a Vig.......

look, more mentioning of the Vig...that whole claim thing is starting to show some material...

Vote Killa Seven, HoS MoS

More later.

I'm noting this here because if there is never the promised "more later", it just fits with how you "see" things.

This is an unortodox game setup wize, but i thought people would still play normally.

the strangeness level of people's playing is much high

Also, Killa: are you not of the policy that any lynch is a good lynch.

Next post after the previous one I quoted. Is this "more later"? Doesn't look like it to me.

[skitzer]

EBWOP: I accidentally submitted! There will be more!

[skitzer]

You make it sound like it's unlikely we would take

unusual

actions in an

unorthodox

game...

MoS, i really dislike this logic. just cause your roll is odd means not that you have to be weird.

Also, even in this game, i have a seariousally hard time beliving your role.

Killa: you nmever answered my question. why would

a townie

give up its lynch, the only power it has. ever. any linch is greater than no ltynch unless its endgame. if you disagree please explain why.

Could the bolded be possible hinting towards your non-townie-ness. Funny. You claimed vanilla townie.

Vote Coron

Nobody else voted coron...he was FoSed though. Other people saw what you saw, didn't they?

Searching a replacement for Coron

I'll replace him, just give me some time to do a reread.

In that read, I'd love some logic as to why your not Lurker Scum.

BTW Hai Coron

Lurker =/= Scum. Simple Mafia Concept.

I recieved a prod on Wednesday July 9th at 6:34 am, and I really wanted to have my post be something of content, but when he said he was searching for a replacement, I had to step in.

So far some thoughts: MoS is probably town. White Rabbit is probably town. Same goes for Flameaxe, both for his actions and for his claim, which I find believable. Killa Seven, his claim is a little iffy, but a dangerous claim as scum. MafiaSSK seems to be significantly scummy. Niv I have no read on really. Roffman's claim is a bit iffy, but for now I could believe it. Skitzer looks slightly odd but I'm not too sure. zu_faul is definately scum though.

If you have questions as to why I think these things, let me know.[/quote

You can't not post for days, then show up and say _________ is scummy, without reasoning. also, in this, you don't really comit to anything. ATM this vote feels fuzzy

Whoa! What happened to MoS's claim being too big for balance!
Also, you say Coron can't just show up and say someone is scummy without reasoning. I lol'ed at that bit of hypocrisy.

Note Here: the first person FaerieLord voted when she replaced was Niv.

I will not compromise on a Coron lynch. Coron needs to start posting, and if he doesn't post content soon, he needs to be replaced. We should be lynching scum, not lurkers.

But the problem is that Coron is clearly around and is clearly on the site. his lurking is more a null tell. he is being downright scummy.

also, still waiting to hear from FL on me

In this, you're saying that Coron is scummy because of his active lurking, but his lurking is a null tell. I'm hoping you explained this later somehow.

WHOA! END OF DAY 2 I NOTICED SOMETHING MAJOR!

Niv switched his vote from Coron to roffman, with the reason of "self-destructing, which i think pales in comparison to the "case" he had on Coron. This vote led to roffman's lynch, and he was able to pass onto day 3 without any quarrels whatsoever?
Oh wait, I guess he says taht he miscounted...[sacrasm]

Niv, even if he could, it'd be pretty awful when the point is to have a cop.

So why would we lynch the hypothetical cop, who would be a townie, then lose MoS to the NK unless we have a hypothetical doc.

the more i think about it, the less i like MoS, although i really never have liked MoS, and I've also never liked his role

Now, we are back to "MoS is scum."

Also, for the record, if it turns out there isn't actually a cop at all, I'm going to be very disappointed in this setup. If we all have a bunch of completely useless roles, this game is stupid.

QFT

BTW for gmae annaysis pourpases I am a Vanilla townie.

I do this because i think the two others who haven't claimed as well should claim. i want to know if this truly is a monoanus variation.

This Vanilla Townie claim is awkward, for one, we hadn't even decided to massclaim.

In other news, "monoanus" is now my favorite word.

More details tomorrow. Almost finished!

[Niv]

I'm going to wait till this is done to respond to it

[Niv]

The next post is a test I've been wanting to do for a while to see if it sets off some sort of game mechanic.

[Niv]

THERE IS NO MAFIA IN THIS GAME, THE MOD HAS JUST BEEN KILLING US ON A SCHEDULE. THIS ENTIRE GAME IS JUST ONE GIANT MIND FUCK!

[Mastermind of Sin]

I agree with Niv.

[skitzer]

Our claims confirm us.

anyone who thinks their confirmed in this game is mistaken.

infact out of all the claims, yours is the least belavable. a scum could make that up, and hae no fear of counterclaim, ever!

That's exactly why scum would fear to make this claim. It is the least believable, and they would know that they would be scrutinized to no end by players like you.

UnVote, Vote MafiaSSK

this molassas day is over.

This varies in suspiciousness everytime I look at it. Mastermind of Sin kept bringing up the prospect of lynching Niv, and then Niv votes MafiaSSK. As I type it, I'm just not sure how strange it is.

oops, enter too soon

skitzer, I don't feel like putting in the effort to prepare a case right now when no one else is willing to put in effort. I'm in university, I have better things to do than prepare a case in a deadish game that I really don't care if i win or lose anymore.

I've made my case now. Effort plz, if you can.

THERE IS NO MAFIA IN THIS GAME, THE MOD HAS JUST BEEN KILLING US ON A SCHEDULE. THIS ENTIRE GAME IS JUST ONE GIANT MIND FUCK!

And to conclude, this makes me laugh.

So, reasons for lynching Niv:

1. His early vig speakings made it look like he wanted to claim vig. But he ended up claiming townie. I think this is Mafia trying to fit with the setup, which he brings up that this setup is "monotonous" many times
2. His way of scumhunting. Even if it is a generality in all games, it is just not pro-town play IMO. What do you do when you are in a three player endgame, and both sides are making convincing cases? You seriously can't do this ALL the time.
3. His flip-flopness, not only in general, but especially on MoS's claim. At one point, you even acertained that MoS was town.

Vote: Niv

I think that Coron and Flameaxe are next likely, though maybe I need to look and see how Flameaxe claimed and breadcrumbed.

[skitzer]

there is a need for speculation, people!

[zu_Faul]

Votecount

skitzer (1) - Niv
Niv (1) - skitzer

Not Voting (3) - Mastermind of Sin, Flameaxe, Coron


With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch.

[Mastermind of Sin]

skitzer, why do you believe I am town?