@bugs
Do you believe it's accurate to say that you and Lunar have a similar approach?
@Gamma
Here it is:
In order to understand the friction you need to know that Conscientiousness and Openness have a negative correlation and are kind of like the concept of being left-brained and right-brained. Openness is like entrepreneur, artist, liberal and inventor people and Conscientiousness is like the banker, lawyer, manager and administrator people. And I'm not talking about a subtle correlation here; if you talk your friend who is an artist or trying to start a business into taking the OCEAN test they WILL be high in Openness and likely not Conscientiousness. Vice versa for the bankers and lawyers as well.
At their worst Openness creates mobs like the French Revolution or Detroit and Conscientiousness creates systematic genocide like Nazi Germany or Klux Klan. The sub trait of Liberalism experiences hostility toward signs of authoritarianism and the sub trait of Orderliness experiences disgust toward chaotic behavior.
Amelie, Grendel, and Gamma
are all high in openness as far as my eye can see which implies similarity in some or all of these sub facets below:
"Your score on Openness to Experience is high, indicating you enjoy novelty, variety, and change. You are curious, imaginative, and creative.
Openness Facets
Imagination. To imaginative individuals, the real world is often too plain and ordinary. High scorers on this scale use fantasy as a way of creating a richer, more interesting world. Low scorers are on this scale are more oriented to facts than fantasy. Your level of imagination is $flev[13].
Artistic Interests. High scorers on this scale love beauty, both in art and in nature. They become easily involved and absorbed in artistic and natural events. They are not necessarily artistically trained nor talented, although many will be. The defining features of this scale are interest in, and appreciation of natural and artificial beauty. Low scorers lack aesthetic sensitivity and interest in the arts. Your level of artistic interests is $flev[14].
Emotionality. Persons high on Emotionality have good access to and awareness of their own feelings. Low scorers are less aware of their feelings and tend not to express their emotions openly. Your level of emotionality is $flev[15].
Adventurousness. High scorers on adventurousness are eager to try new activities, travel to foreign lands, and experience different things. They find familiarity and routine boring, and will take a new route home just because it is different. Low scorers tend to feel uncomfortable with change and prefer familiar routines. Your level of adventurousness is $flev[16].
Intellect. Intellect and artistic interests are the two most important, central aspects of openness to experience. High scorers on Intellect love to play with ideas. They are open-minded to new and unusual ideas, and like to debate intellectual issues. They enjoy riddles, puzzles, and brain teasers. Low scorers on Intellect prefer dealing with either people or things rather than ideas. They regard intellectual exercises as a waste of time. Intellect should not be equated with intelligence. Intellect is an intellectual style, not an intellectual ability, although high scorers on Intellect score slightly higher than low-Intellect individuals on standardized intelligence tests. Your level of intellect is $flev[17].
Liberalism. Psychological liberalism refers to a readiness to challenge authority, convention, and traditional values. In its most extreme form, psychological liberalism can even represent outright hostility toward rules, sympathy for law-breakers, and love of ambiguity, chaos, and disorder. Psychological conservatives prefer the security and stability brought by conformity to tradition. Psychological liberalism and conservatism are not identical to political affiliation, but certainly incline individuals toward certain political parties. Your level of liberalism is $flev[18]. "
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So where is the conflict coming from if we are all roughly alike in this way? I think the friction IS a result of temperament as well as what you guys are valuing.
Between Gamma and Amelie it's these facets:
(from Conscientiousness)
"Orderliness. Persons with high scores on orderliness are well-organized. They like to live according to routines and schedules. They keep lists and make plans. Low scorers tend to be disorganized and scattered. Your level of orderliness is $flev[26]. "
vs
(again from Openness)
"Emotionality. Persons high on Emotionality have good access to and awareness of their own feelings. Low scorers are less aware of their feelings and tend not to express their emotions openly. "
"Liberalism. Psychological liberalism refers to a readiness to challenge authority, convention, and traditional values. In its most extreme form, psychological liberalism can even represent outright hostility toward rules, sympathy for law-breakers, and love of ambiguity, chaos, and disorder. Psychological conservatives prefer the security and stability brought by conformity to tradition. Psychological liberalism and conservatism are not identical to political affiliation, but certainly incline individuals toward certain political parties."
Gamma and Amelie are both high in Emotionality but Gamma is putting effort into regulating his emotions whereas Amelie is using them as her primary scum hunting tool. Gamma is more orderly and is experiencing disgust toward Amelie's scattered reads and posts. Amelie is listening to her emotions which are informing her correctly that Gamma has a higher propensity for authoritarianism than her (though in the big picture Gamma is far from authoritarian) and is running with the hostility that this triggers as these feelings are her way of tracking scum. Gamma does not value his Emotionality for scum hunting and is also attempting to incorporate Order along with his Openness. Amelie values mostly her Emotionality for scum hunting and is either actively or passively attacking signs of Order as a result of her Liberalism.
Then Amelie and Grendel:
(from Conscientiousness again)
"Cautiousness. Cautiousness describes the disposition to think through possibilities before acting. High scorers on the Cautiousness scale take their time when making decisions. Low scorers often say or do first thing that comes to mind without deliberating alternatives and the probable consequences of those alternatives."
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(same stuff from Openness)
"Liberalism. Psychological liberalism refers to a readiness to challenge authority, convention, and traditional values. In its most extreme form, psychological liberalism can even represent outright hostility toward rules, sympathy for law-breakers, and love of ambiguity, chaos, and disorder. Psychological conservatives prefer the security and stability brought by conformity to tradition. Psychological liberalism and conservatism are not identical to political affiliation, but certainly incline individuals toward certain political parties. "
"Emotionality. Persons high on Emotionality have good access to and awareness of their own feelings. Low scorers are less aware of their feelings and tend not to express their emotions openly."
Similar story but not quite the same. Grendel IS in his mid 20s so his conscientiousness may have increased over time, which Amelie will subconsciously perceive as a propensity for authoritarianism and because she is following her emotions she will act with hostility. Even more, I think that kind of like Gamma and his slight inclination for Order, Grendel is built to incorporate some Cautiousness alongside his Openness. I think Grendel chooses his words carefully. Therefore it makes sense that Amelie would experience hostility toward Grendel on some level because of his Cautiousness especially since that is actually a valid scum tell in many instances.
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Ref
http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/5 ... tions.html