Mini 2186: Pokemon Battles [GAME OVER]

[wellermanbob]

Good job reading whoeever figured that out

[jjh927]

Oh thanks for pointing that out

[jjh927]

I've not paid as much attention to mechanics for this game as I often might

[Infinity Zero]

Don't like the tone of this either.

You are all completely right! Giving super compelling obviously factual statements like this in the form of cases is very valuable discussion and definitely helps. I'm learning so much here

congratulations! you found the least relevant part of the wall as a part to actually engage with. Could it be you're afraid to actually approach the wall in a manner that actually dignifies it, and are merely resorting to shade and shallow engagement?

a weak part of a different case

I think my point is I don't think there was a single thing in the "case" that wasn't similarly pointless and not evidence. So while I'm taking some easy comedy there is actually a point about Infinity's play hidden here somewhere. I'm having trouble working the other people who were like "I don't like bob lets vote bob" because it feels like it's not game related and simply disagreements with who I am.

But to get back to the relevant part - imagine you are Inifinit and you are being pushed by some person completely new to your site, they don't really offer reasons and you don't know what to do. Over a day and a hundred or so posts after dancing around the subject you gradually get to a public scumread. And then right after declaring you want to justify it to be different (and because it feels a bit awkward with the whole timing of scumreading someone scumreading you thing) and you feel like it's a bit awkward, so you want to have a case. Only, there's nothing real, so you post that waste of a wall.

Is that kind of "hey I need to do something to respond to this" feeling more likely to come from town or scum?

I'm not sure if this got through to you, but we're a hydra, which means there's two people interacting with you. Most of the content is from Infinity I'd say, but I (Gamma/Protocol) have some spots of posting as well. When you look at my posting exclusively (since I'm pretty diligent about tagging, and so is Infinity, it shouldn't be hard to puzzle that out), you'll see I came in and started to SR you without much established build-up. While that's potentially suspect, I don't think your appraisal of what motivated the case wall is entirely faithful to the things that happened on our end.
And I'll be clear that while the case was written pretty confidently, I'm in no way certain you're scum weller, I just wanted to put out a strong face and see how people handled that. I think Infinity may have stated this already, but Chara's response was kinda bad because there was holes in the case but I feel like rather than take it down, Chara wanted me to double down on it.

I think I just don't like Bob's playstyle. Not so much that I think he's scum. I honestly feel like scum would be a little more careful about their appearance. I'm going to back away from this slot for now

That seems sensible, but the degree to which weller has been obstinate about providing comprehensive positions feel like it could be deliberate in order to come across as stubborn town and/or implement a scum tactic of using his ornery personality as an excuse to not justify any of his reads. It's not certain rn but I don't want to write it off.

I put some explanation in my last post. I'm not one for quoting peoples post and writing words - I think the motivation behind several stances and posts has been that of scum, and I'd encourage you to reread some of their earlier posting

I coudn't read that post because I got distracted blaring red scum alarms going off in my head

. It's showy and fabricated and it feels so dispassionate about the bob wagon that I don't believe it really TRs bob. I need to talk to gamma because I'm not seeing chara and bob as scum together but chara needs to die

VOTE: chara

-Inf

PEdit: that was at 330

The bolded was probably the only thing I disliked because if you’re scumreading a slot, you should never not read that player’s post but other than that I’m not really sure what you’re referring to but I’ll re-ISO them. Gamma definitely needs to post more because I think I can better read him > Infinity.

I don't believe in NAI tbh

Why? This seems like an interesting point of conversation, and I feel like you engaging me on this might be worthwhile both to sort you and understand you on a deeper level.

-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I ISOed Vax and his ISO is decent, don't see why he got wagoned
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I would be down to cfd Chara
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE: chara
Infinity doesn't have much faith in the Vax redflip and I feel like his sense on that sort of thing is good
-Protocol

[Alisae]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 13

• Vaxkiller
  ------------ 5 ( jjh927, Catboi, Raya36, unwnd, Twins Akari and Mara )
  
  Twins Akari and Mara
  - 3 ( Chara, Titus, Wellermanbob )
  
  Chara
  ---------------- 2 ( Mistyx, Infinity Zero )
  
  jjh927
  --------------- 1 ( Vaxkiller )
  
  Mistyx
  --------------- 1 ( Smoke and Mirrors )
  
  Wellermanbob
  --------- 1 ( Red )
  
  Catboi
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Red
  ------------------ 0 ( No One )
  
  Titus
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Infinity Zero
  -------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Raya36
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  unwnd
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Smoke and Mirrors
  ---- 0 ( No One )
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ----------- 0 ( No One )

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-11 20:01:00)

[Raya36]

What's the point in switching to Chara when there's 3 minutes left?

[Titus]

VOTE: Vax

[jjh927]

There's also no point in that vote

[jjh927]

It time

[Alisae]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 14

• Vaxkiller
  ------------ 6 ( jjh927, Catboi, Raya36, unwnd, Twins Akari and Mara, Titus )
  
  Twins Akari and Mara
  - 2 ( Chara, Wellermanbob )
  
  Chara
  ---------------- 2 ( Mistyx, Infinity Zero )
  
  jjh927
  --------------- 1 ( Vaxkiller )
  
  Mistyx
  --------------- 1 ( Smoke and Mirrors )
  
  Wellermanbob
  --------- 1 ( Red )
  
  Catboi
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Red
  ------------------ 0 ( No One )
  
  Titus
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Infinity Zero
  -------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Raya36
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  unwnd
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Smoke and Mirrors
  ---- 0 ( No One )
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ----------- 0 ( No One )

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-11 20:01:00)

[Alisae]

Vaxkiller was an Inkay aligned with the

Mafia

Vaxkiller

Pokemon Battles!

~ Role PM ~

---

4 HP | 0 ATK | 0 DEF | 0 EVA

You are

Inkay

, aligned with the

Mafia

.

Ability

: Contrary

• During Battle
  : If ur stats (except health) would be decreased increase them instead and if ur stats would be increased decrease them instead.

Moves

• Topsy-Turvy
  • At the Start of Battle
    : Reverse all stats for that battle and sets their ability to Contrary.
  • At Day
    : During the day you may target a player, all stats they have will be reversed until dawn, also change their ability to Contrary for the rest of the game.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

---

Confirm your role by responding to this PM with your role and alignment!
GAMETHREAD

Proceeding to Twilight please hold. Battles will take place in private topics.

[Alisae]

We are now in twilight and we will resume onto night once all battles have concluded. Ywall have around 24 hours but do NOT stall me.

[Alisae]

It is now Night 1. Night 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-13 20:01:00). Actions are locked and cannot be sent in under 1 hour before the deadline.

[Alisae]

All actions that are submitted are locked in and no more actions can be submitted.

[Alisae]

Unwnd died. They were a Togetic aligned with the

town

unwnd

Pokemon Battles!

~ Role PM ~

---

4 HP | 0 ATK | +2 DEF | 0 EVA

You are

Togetic

, aligned with the

TOWN

.

Ability

: Serene Grace

• The chances of a move having a secondary effect is doubled.

Moves

• Metronome
  • At Start of Battle
    : Gain up to +5 points worth in stats (except HP) distrubuted randomly for this battle only.
• Wish
  • At Night
    : Visit 1 player and if you do, you and them will heal half of their HP rounded down unless that player is targetted by a killing action. If that player is targetted by a killing action, they will not die.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

---

Confirm your role by responding to this PM with your role and alignment!
GAMETHREAD

[Alisae]

VOTE COUNT 2 . 15

• Mistyx
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Titus
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Chara
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Wellermanbob
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Catboi
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Raya36
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Smoke and Mirrors
  ---- 0 ( No One )
  
  Red
  ------------------ 0 ( No One )
  
  jjh927
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Infinity Zero
  -------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Twins Akari and Mara
  - 0 ( No One )
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ----------- 11 ( Mistyx, Titus, Chara, Wellermanbob, Catboi, Raya36, Smoke and Mirrors, Red, Jjh927, Infinity Zero, Twins Akari and Mara )

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-17 20:01:00)

[wellermanbob]

First things first, Chara am I correct in assuming you are actually Oblivious as opposed to the wrong version of it that Vax claimed?

[wellermanbob]

Second, true to form there will be no eating crow, no apologizing, and not even any shame

[Titus]

VOTE: The Twins

[wellermanbob]

VOTE: The Twins

Not that I disagree with this, but why? Does the red flip change your gamestate evaluation at all?

[Titus]

VOTE: The Twins

Not that I disagree with this, but why? Does the red flip change your gamestate evaluation at all?

Why weren't the twins the cfd attempt?

[wellermanbob]

Hahaha true that wagon did stall. But so did a Chara one and I have them as basically locktown, to play devils advocate