Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Gimli son of Glóin]

Hullo! welcome all new people to this game.

I've done a re-read of the first 13 pages and my current horsewoman scumread is really bad. I forgot how towny her posts were. Also been reevaluating on koba, and I feel part of why I was scumreading horsewoman has to do with conditional reads that don't make sense for me to even make without a flip.

I agree the radja slot is scum but I also think we need to extend d1 in order to allow for the replacement to catch up.

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.17

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-03 15:00:00).

execution

Amélie [3]:

Not_Mafia, Infinity 324, DkKoba

Lostego [2]:

Ahsoka, Raya36

Ahsoka [1]:

Amélie

Not_Mafia [1]:

Lostego

DkKoba [1]:

Gimli son of Glóin

Not Voting [1]:

clidd

game state

Doom Counter

is currently at

zero

.
~ With

3

Mafia alive, the Town will be endgamed once they are brought down to

3

members.

Previously published lists:
~ none

mod notes

~ Amélie is the new Radja
~ happy new year!
~ beep

[Ahsoka]

Oh wow, is this what scum Infinity looks like or is this scum Dkkoba.

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: radja

^ We need more of this

im down VOTE: Radja

This happens immediately after Infinity replaces in and posts a big post. This gave a lot of momentum to them, so their vote had merit.

Possible Theory: Infinity is scum who is looking to rally, and push an inactive slot.

Moving forward, Not Mafia says We need more of this, and I think that is townie of Not Mafia, because I don't know if he thinks to say anything like this right after an inactive slot gets voted.

Dkkoba sees the momentum of Infinity, and joins the wagon.

Possible Theory: Dkkoba sees possible townInfinity, and begins to try and gain favor with them, almost a pocket attempt.

I have no strong read on Radja, but their vote on me was pretty weak.

[Ahsoka]

Dkkoba looks like they're trying to push a misfade, and going around looking for one, and I think the Radja wagon is LHF.

VOTE: Dkkoba

Horsewoman I was town reading, and I know Infinity well, so I'm happy to push this. See what happens.

[Ahsoka]

Gives Amelie some breathing room too.

I feel scum could have been trying to get Radja before they were replaced.

[Ahsoka]

Gives Amelie some breathing room too.

I feel scum could have been trying to get Radja before they were replaced.

[clidd]

@clidd I had already read the game before replacing in. But I'm doing some ISOs now to solidify some of my reads. I'm definitely looking at raya and I see what you're saying about her early push on you being towny.

Well, now it makes more sense to me. I don't think I paid much attention to this detail.

[clidd]

Hello it will take me some time to catch up but I will try my best. For now, I need to sleep. 2:00 is not a healthy time to be awake.

Huum, welcome.

I do hope you can keep up with the pace. My read in your predecessor has extended for a long time, so I need to refresh my ideas.

[clidd]

Hullo! welcome all new people to this game.

I've done a re-read of the first 13 pages and my current horsewoman scumread is really bad. I forgot how towny her posts were. Also been reevaluating on koba, and I feel part of why I was scumreading horsewoman has to do with conditional reads that don't make sense for me to even make without a flip.

I agree the radja slot is scum but I also think we need to extend d1 in order to allow for the replacement to catch up.

Which post in particular reflected you as more towny from Horsewoman?

It is good to hear that you are open to reevaluations, but it would be interesting for the game that you do not go into conflict with Dk again.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I'm really trying not to, I know how bad that is for the game.

As per horsewoman's posts that I deem as towny, I think this one stands out the most:

Back from doing Christmassy things

Anyway, notes:

DkKoba's reaction seems alright. I'm fine to back off from now. A bad play doesn't necessarily make it a scum play. In fact, DkKoba's follow up scumhunting of Redflavor for knowing the setup is equally bad.

Gimli seems alright, but might just be good scum.

Not going to bother sorting Not_Mafia. Wildcard as either alignment, if playstyle hasn't changed. Interesting question though: Not_Mafia, have you played with me before? I remember mostly modding games you were in.

Raya and clidd's posts are pretty good.

Ahsoka is unreadable for me at this point. clidd's attempt to get Ahsoka involved seems good though.

I'm not really following what Raya and clidd are arguing about.

Gimli's "regardless of clidd's alignment, Raya is locktown" seems really weird to me. Why would a clidd flip not make you reconsider your read?

Reads:

Townpool: DkKoba, clidd, Raya
Scumpool:
idkpool: volxen, Not_Mafia, Gimli, Horsewoman, Ahsoka
Pool of execution: Horsewoman, Not_Mafia, Gimli

VOTE: Ahsoka

This seems like a pretty good wagon to be on.

Okay this reads list is so bad I'm joining this wagon

VOTE: Radja.

I'm caught up, it was super easy and fast because most of the 12 pages was dkkoba spewing nonsense. Although I don't mind making short multiposts, I think posting as much as koba is is kind of anti-town (at least on mafiascum, where games are soooooooo slow), so I would advise koba to cut that aspect out of his playstyle/this game.

Gimli's playing pretty differently than he did in our game together. And by that I mean worse. I think paradoxically that makes him more likely to be town here? He's producing less reads and less analysis but that might be because he's only producing genuine reads/analysis. Want to see more from him. Koba has made a lot of posts I disagree with and posts like 223 really rub me the wrong way. Radja's reads list is so atrocious I don't think it can come from anyone trying to solve/read the game. I'm kind of biased against koba because he's accused me (without evidence) of being an alt of a guy who was apparently banned for sexual harassment, and that's a really fucking uncool thing to do. So I've got personal animus there. Post 217 from clidd I really dislike, the thought process of 'I agree with him so he's town' is itself, really artificial. I liked ahsoka's posting a reasonable amount.

I like how succint and direct this post is. all the comments made here are pertinent. 223 is that koba post that looks incredibly detached from the game, where they say something about not wanting to push volxen when no one was doing so. 217 from you does look artificial. I agree with her thoughts on ahsoka as per this post as well and now that I read again, I think her correct lean on me looks natural.

As time passed I began to only catch up with recent posts and so I started to lose the big picture and my reads where going to any direction. I will say that while this is absolutely my fault, for the last few days everytime I started to post my attention got shifted to koba writing something to me and we started arguing. Posting in this game started to feel like a chore and it was hard to maintain patience.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I haven't evaluated her replacement yet, and I'll first finish reading the entire game when I have the time. A note on the replacement though, is that since infinity was reading the game before replacing in, there's probably nothing in a towny looking post of his that can't be attributed to pre-rand towny thoughts he had while ignorant on alignments. even if I think he is towny (not sure yet) I'll take the whole thing with a grain of salt.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

gimil/radja could be partners? n_m if i reach page 16 and you changed you vote from radja you can be in there too

lostego, do you remember why you thought that I could be radja's partner?

[Gimli son of Glóin]

i take back what i said about clidd after seeing the way he discusses his reads unprompted. seems more rehearsed than i previously read

I think this is a very organic post to make about clidd. also while re-reading the game, the volxen posts look fine so I'm starting to townread the slot.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

theres just something that surprised me - > the way you townread me is like different from the way you caught me as scum last time, i.e. I would expect you to point out that I didn't exhibit that tell there.

maybe that games just been so long ago but yeah.

The readslist thing, or the fact that you've kept up your solviness all day phase?

Idk, the way I read you involves a lot of gut and that was the best way I could describe it. I was TRing you before the clidd push but that whole sequence is something I can point to specifically as being very unlikely to come from scum. Clidd said the same thing, but he didn't weight it heavily enough imo.

when did the clidd push happen? I'm currently on page 20 and I see nothing about it that looks hard to fake as scum, if that's what you're referencing. I'd like you to expand on why any of the clidd/koba interactions look particularly hard to fake as scum by koba.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

A lot of lostego's posts give me a lot of pause and IDK if it's because they're scum or just replaced in and are too unattached from the game to post properly, but there are things like asking ahsoka what is he 'hiding' and then #494 that just vibe strangely for me. there are good things as well so it's a mixed bag of meh.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

<ahsoka, raya, horsewoman, clidd> is my townpile atm

unsure pile is NM and his arch nemesis radja

dkkoba and lostego are both scum

this is where I'm at and feeling very good about it too

just so everyone knows where my reads are at, the townpile remains the same after a read up to this point, and the unsure pile contains everyone and I have like no actual scumreads.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

the thing about radja is that while they're pretty POE'd down as scum, ahsoka and everyone else that pointed so are right that this is the most LHF slot in the game and it makes a lot of sense that all of those strong pushes are just looking for a miselim. this is not how we should evaluate radja though, but rather on the likelyhood of them being scum without such associatives.

[clidd]

I think that outside of my empathic/emotional/behavioral/things-that-clidd-does read, Radja has a good chance of fitting into the list of apathetic scum.

But this is a generic assessment. I would prefer to have some concrete evidence of the slot alignment and I hope Amélie can deliver this.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

Literally whenever gimli posts a read it feels like he's glossing over it a bit. It feels like he isn't giving his own reads the time they need to be properly articulated, which is super scummy.

would you care expanding on this? I agree my posts can be sometimes hard to read but why do you think not giving posts a proper edit is scummy? you're a 2013 account so you're at least familiar with the idea that scum needs to actually edit their posts more because of all the faketies in their reasoning, while town has an easier time just writing what they're thinking, which means their posts might look more unarticulated as a result.

[clidd]

And you have become increasingly more transparent Gimli. I would feel betrayed at the level of ''order 66'' if I was wrong about you being town, because you are at the top of my impressions.

[Ahsoka]

the thing about radja is that while they're pretty POE'd down as scum, ahsoka and everyone else that pointed so are right that this is the most LHF slot in the game and it makes a lot of sense that all of those strong pushes are just looking for a miselim. this is not how we should evaluate radja though, but rather on the likelyhood of them being scum without such associatives.

There are 3 scum in this game, scum shouldn't be getting POE'd that easily, which is why I think Radja slot is LHF.

[clidd]

I haven't evaluated her replacement yet, and I'll first finish reading the entire game when I have the time. A note on the replacement though, is that since infinity was reading the game before replacing in, there's probably nothing in a towny looking post of his that can't be attributed to pre-rand towny thoughts he had while ignorant on alignments. even if I think he is towny (not sure yet) I'll take the whole thing with a grain of salt.

I've tried to do this in the past, to give me an advantage if I was scum, but it didn't work so well in the long run, because it's not possible to hide 100% of the bias about you already knowing the alignments. In the case of Infinity, I imagine that as he is describing and expanding his impressions, the more unlikely the scenario for him to have prepared himself pre-game, as this would imply a significantly long period of effort and time that I do not find practical unless Infinity has a history of doing this or the current game has some high value to him.

[clidd]

Ahsoka, I know you probably don't like to read my posts, but do you think the ''Dk vs Gimli'' thing says something AI about Dk?

[Not_Mafia]

Hi Boonskiiiiies