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In post 797, Morning Tweet wrote:I was curious why you feel his push on you is transparently agenda-driven and if the 8-ball played into that

because i think the 8-ball is likely whichever of us scum thinks will lose a 1v1 and i've been low energy enough this game that i think bingle thinks he's likely to win a 1v1 ergo

In post 798, Morning Tweet wrote:Hot take I think both scum are on this page

if this is an admission i'm so relieved

In post 721, Save The Dragons wrote:

Vote Count 2.6

5 Wisdom (House, Taly, imaginality, Morning Tweet, Bingle)
2 Bingle (Wisdom, the worst)

Not voting: Momrangal

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to yeet

Flip incoming...

just like, going to state the obvious, it's extremely likely both scum are on the main wagon.

Okay I'm glad we started a new page

What's going through my head right now:

I thought Ali didn't really seem anything like eir scum game. I haven't had any issues with House really. That's one

pedit: Are you sure? Taly and imagineality were diehard protectors of House-Ali, so if scum were to place the 8-ball on wagon #2 after day 1 and hope people dont go for Ali due to 8-ball fears.. well..

If Taly and imagine are both town, I'm town, hm...

That also is kind of ignoring Mom as a possibility for scum

It seems kind of crazy to suggest that the Wisdom wagon could go through without scum control. But Taly/imagine were the pushers, so.. I don't know

*shrug*

Nothing I can say except sorry I was wrong. Kinda disenchanted atm so if you're gonna lim me do it.

I'm exhausted, just put in 10 hours and don't have the energy to dig in right now.

If the Wisdom wagon started with a strong base there's no reason really to join the wagon

Were there any attempts to create a CW aside from the Bingle push that you/me/Wisdom did at that one point? Was there a wagon before Wisdom? Why am I asking you this rather than looking?

Okay out of the gate it was a push on Ali by worst, me, and Wisdom

Taly went Bingle instead

Only Ali advocated for Wisdom at start of day. House ends up coming back into the game and voting Wisdom again (480). That does admittedly hit kind of different now

Okay and then Taly does the thing voting for Wisdom. Now I'm kind of figuring scum expected Taly/imagine to go for Wisdom, otherwise what's the point of the 8-ball. Worst joins the wagon. Imagine joins the wagon.

I come in and start Bingle again. Wisdom joins me. Worst gets of Wisdom to join me.

I switch to Wisdom (*sad clown noises*), then Bingle does the second worst EoD vote of the game on Wisdom.

So all in all, it's:

Wisdom << Alisae, House, Taly, worstie, imagineality, Morning, Bingle

Wisdom was comparatively the overwhelming favourite yesterday. I don't think you put both scum on that wagon, there'd have been no need.

Additionally..... every player except Mom voted for Wisdom, anyway. You can't see worst's vote in 721 but worst had Wisdom as scum and helped the wagon along.

Also, of course, if Mom is scum, they didn't even play D2 anyway. If Mom is scum, they're gonna be scum with someone who was on wagon at some point (since that's everyone)

That final VC is deceptive at hiding exactly worstie and Mom

In post 783, Morning Tweet wrote:It's probably worth noting worst has had the opportunity to engage with Bingle a bunch and recently -- it just that it was about bread, trips to Australia, and the golden state bridge

wellll time to wait for now i guess

In post 784, Bingle wrote:It's not just me. He was also notably absent when Taly attempted to engage with him, and he had a townread on Taly, so it's not explained by "Oh, I think Bingle's scum so I shouldn't bother engaging with him about the game."

In post 785, the worst wrote:i don't really need to engage with scum lol
VOTE: bingle

In post 786, the worst wrote:i'd contest that bingle is like, very clearly driving an agenda-driven lim. i had a busy week and spent my time finding scum, rather than answering questions which didn't interest me much. not sorry.

Dafuq is this sequence?

Mt: duck avoided Bingle to fluff.
Bingle: duck avoided Taly too, so it wasn’t about his scumread on me.
Duck: I avoided Bingle because he’s scum!
Also duck: I avoided Bingle because I’d caught scum!

What even is this bullshit?

In post 789, the worst wrote:wait. that would be endgame.

yes. i strongly suspect i am the 8-ball.

This makes only slightly more sense than when duck said he was probably the eightball yesterday and is pretty blatant atf.

Let me try to explain why i think Ali's behaviour didn't seem like scum!Ali making an emotional attempt to get townread, and instead seemed like an actual "You're all terrible i hate this game"

The short of is, eir posts are... actually not towny. To me. They're just spiteful. They seem more interested in bringing others' down than propping themself up. That's not something that sways minds. I can get examples if necessary.

Someone mentioned Ali has never self hammered as scum -- I've seen Ali feel defeated at scum, but it was because they were angry at eir teammate (I saw this in two games, I believe in both "One Night Stand" and "Donnie Brasco"). On the flip side I've seen Ali self destruct and start attacking others for their play as town quite often

"But they didn't self hammer" - 392 seems to suggest Ali thought it was okay for em to self hammer but not to self vote. I suppose this is a judgement call but I think they did intend to hammer, not self vote for emotion points. Eir play is just not conducive to making an emotional plea at all. Getting angry gets townread, i get it, but as someone who reads into emotion constantly, it didnt come off as towny to me.

Best I got there I think. It'd be a new look for me for sure. Admittedly I've read Ali wrong before, but that was because they were deepwolfing and being very town though, not.. this

In post 798, Morning Tweet wrote:Hot take I think both scum are on this page

That’s a less hot take when you realize it’s only two townreads, but I can hunt his partner after we’ve burned the small pebble.

In post 812, Bingle wrote:

In post 798, Morning Tweet wrote:Hot take I think both scum are on this page

That’s a less hot take when you realize it’s only two townreads, but I can hunt his partner after we’ve burned the

witch

duck

small pebble.

Moderately simmering take*

But yes I presently think House/imagine are town, one of you/worst are town, you are 8-ball.

I need more from imagine though. His progression on Ali/Wisdom felt particularly genuine to me as I've noted but I feel I need a little more to be comfortable, since I think Wisdom is a fine enough 8-ball for them and they can be partnered with mostly whoever.

I do think their strategy of gunning for Wisdom out the gate, abandoning it (for no reason that I can see), 8-balling Wisdom, then returning is a little bonkers.

Maybe it's because Ali was the 8-ball D1 and imagine's on a mission to be opportunistic.

But Ali didn't need the help D1. It was just a pointless move..

Oh my god

Imagine has quite possibly gunned for all 3 8-balls if my interpretation is correct. Not only that, their pushes are almost exclusive to those 3 (Ali D1, Wisdom D2, Bingle D3)

Granted they tunneled Wisdom early D1 and have spent 100% of their posts sussing Bingle today but havent committed there yet

In post 811, Morning Tweet wrote:Someone mentioned Ali has never self hammered as scum

Hi. I’m someone, and that is loosely adjacent to something I said. I said I was pretty sure that Ali was actually motivated by frustration, not faking the self hammer because she’s not the kind to self hammer as scum to deny info and IS the kind to self hammer due to emotion.

My last game with Ali I repped in when town had literally solved the setup and we still managed a back and forth for a page in the scum pt about how absent scum partners make playing scum a fucking chore. Ali himself mentioned that he hates being scum in this setup in the queue.

It also would have made sense that Alitown would be frustrated because she was being hardtunnelled by wis and that is frustrating.

It’s why I had a null read on Ali in the first place. Nothing e did is unlikely as either alignment, which is frustrating because I used to be really good at reading Ali and I don’t have any real confidence reading house. (Not that I’m not happy to play with you, just that I don’t think I’m an authority on telling your alignment, house)

In post 816, Morning Tweet wrote:Oh my god

Imagine has quite possibly gunned for all 3 8-balls if my interpretation is correct. Not only that, their pushes are almost exclusive to those 3 (Ali D1, Wisdom D2, Bingle D3)

Granted they tunneled Wisdom early D1 and have spent 100% of their posts sussing Bingle today but havent committed there yet

Imagine was also the cw that never was to Ali D1. I sheeped wis’s case there mostly to see if wis was serious about the read, but it not taking off because scum were pushing us towards Ali makes a certain kind of sense.

In post 808, Morning Tweet wrote:Wisdom was comparatively the overwhelming favourite yesterday. I don't think you put both scum on that wagon, there'd have been no need.

Additionally..... every player except Mom voted for Wisdom, anyway. You can't see worst's vote in 721 but worst had Wisdom as scum and helped the wagon along.

Also, of course, if Mom is scum, they didn't even play D2 anyway. If Mom is scum, they're gonna be scum with someone who was on wagon at some point (since that's everyone)

That final VC is deceptive at hiding exactly worstie and Mom

right?
vca in this setup is kind of a wild ride.

given there *was* a late cw i'm not sure i don't agree that scum didn't need to get involved to finish off the lim

@ Bingle: I understood the context, but thank you for the courtesy.

i might need to rethink imaginality. don't really think ali was like, playing eir scumgame in a vacuum, but i'm surprised their lim didn't go thru d1. that's something i want to check out,.

Rereading 265 by imagine I actually don't like it anymore now it seems sloppy

Shit idk.

It still doesn't seem like it was necessary

The follow-up seems somewhat believable. I was a bit surprised imagine didn't perceive himself as tunneling, but after rereading, i think i might have misinterpreted the speed of the game or something, it doesn't seem like imagine focused *that* hard on Wisdom. Wisdom finds that bad, thinking imagine was trying to get people to vote him without being sure, I'm less sure of that interpretation.

This is hard, I'm scrutinizing a very small selection which I'm never good at doing

VOTE: imaginality
not sold on this either but like, spiritual representation of where my soul is floating