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[Milobird]

Like cards on the table pooks? You’re the odd one out here. I can justify everyone else being here but you literally vigged scum my dude

And are easily more threatening than good chunk of the nightkills

[Milobird]

every shot is on confirmed town

why would scum shoot me and leave conf town alive

Wheme

[Milobird]

I’ve literally been posting here all day Cakez

[Milobird]

And I just started a new job so I haven’t had as much time to commit to the game recently. Particularly with rereads. This is a sitewide thing you can check in my ISO in Mt Dew mafia

[Milobird]

Cakez Takez are just kinda ew this game though. They're...I dunno. It's like we read the game totally differently along with people's motivations etc.

this is such BS you're pulling this out of your ass to discredit me

Nope.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I will flat out tell you I think everyone on the koba wagon was either bad or scum.

[Milobird]

Your reads suck and I've never seen you have good reads so like.

That's my genuine opinion.
I feel like we've had this talk before.
Actually, now that I think about it, we have had this talk before.

-Bell

[Milobird]

You’re also deluding yourself if you think I bring any of the conftown but mala here.

[Milobird]

If y’all are going to kill us do it today so I don’t waste another month of my life before I can remind you guys about the repeated misplays.

[Milobird]

Hey man, I don't wanna lose an ELO.

I assume there's only so bad they can be before it stretches credulity and the mod accuses them of game throwing and starts throwing out warnings.
-Bell

[Milobird]

I don’t have the same ELO streak as bell, but he’s not reading the room atm.

[Milobird]

Give us the parts where Pooky defends or pushes scum in the thread.

How weak sauce/versus strong sauce were they?
Did he express these same thoughts in thread to the same degree?
Did he solve at night or was he just chillin? -> This isn't actually scum indicative, I'm just curious.

-Bell

[Milobird]

How many pages is the PT,
How many posts are Pooky and how many are yours?
How much memeing is there.

Did Pooky ever have disappearances. When it would be inconvenient for the scum team to be there?

-Bell

[Milobird]

What was the best Meme Pooky made.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Guys.
Pooky is just scum and this is disappointing.
Stop disappointing me.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Look at this utter garbage he is spouting.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Why would I do that when I can claim the moral victory when you vote wrong on obvtown Bell, proving my point?
-Bell

[Milobird]

this Milo vs Pooky slapfight is completely useless and not helping me at all here
I'm going to reread earlier parts of the game starting on my break tomorrow and look for actually useful content

FFS, who is doing this slap fight? Who is trying their level best to make it into a slap fight?
Don't be stupid Cakez. Pay attention.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Fine.

-Bell

[Milobird]

seems random

Every wagon so far has been random tho, why call out this one

seems random

Every wagon so far has been random tho, why call out this one

what other wagon

Think there were wagons on dwlee and cakez

i think you already received your answer

Uhhh I don't get it

i think you already received your answer

Uhhh I don't get it

you said every wagon was random

i said what other wagons implying i don't know the existence of other random wagons therefore why would i call out another wagon

Fair

ok but given that its RVS and all wagons are going to be dumb why did you make that callout like you did? Further to the point, what did you hope to accomplish by calling it out like you did?

It seems to me that as someone who has been playing since 2004 you would know that frequently wagons start in RVS for basically no reason, are dumb, and then from the ashes of those wagons people actually start having more relevant opinions and that's how we move from noise to signal.

So like, what does town you hope to accomplish in this instance from specifically saying "x wagon is dumb."

Like, yes it is, that's the point. And I know you know this.

I wanna kill FB and STD.
-Milobird

Ralts and TSQ seem okay, but I’ll wait and see.

-Bell

The question was "what did you hope to gain from posting 'x wagon is dumb' when you know that all early wagons are dumb and indeed that's how the entire beginning of a mafia game works"

I think I’m usually pretty obvious town as town. I get overexcited and make occasionally scummy posts but usually bluster right on through to be annoyingly difficult to elim just from sheer quantity.

Except I can’t spam post because weekday job is demanding. So I should probably get a new meta.

STD is lying and being weird and I’ll take that to the bank.
-Bell

ok you found me

it's not possible for town to call out a wagon as dumb

you're right shea

1) first quote: so? do you usually call out all dumb 3 person wagons you become aware of on page 9 of a large?

no

i post what i feel as town and edit myself as scum

guess which one this was

2) second quote: ok but you're missing my point which is that people generally don't do this because they know its fluff and they are looking to find actual things to talk about which might create meaningful information for them to solve other players alignment which brings me to

since when do i do what people generally do or don't do

3) third quote: I don't see you doing that here. It's less a scum motivation thing and more of a scum mindset thing. Scum frequently have a hard time doing the whole trying to solve players thing because they already know the alignment of their partners, so they find ways to talk about the game which don't have actual consequence. they want to look like they're scum hunting or trying to divine alignment, but they're not. Your statement was that. It was the exact kind of statement scum makes when they're trying to look like they're making game relevant observations which under closer scrutiny are actually just meaningless fluff.

isn't it weird how i ended up voting one of the wagoners tho :thinking emoji:

And that brings me to the snarky citation needed post. The town std I'm familiar with would be attempting to solve me through this discussion. you're not. you're attempting to shade my arguments and try to make them look ridiculous. every single response you've made has been a slight misinterpretation of what I'm saying to make it look slightly worse than it actually is. I don't get the impression at all that you're curious about my alignment here, and given that my meta as scum definitely includes making aggressive d1 pushes (side eye: fb for townbinning me when he should know that about my scum game. potential pocket attempt?) one would think you would be.

i think you may not have an updated meta

sigh

I like tsq's takes so far. happy to see where this goes

VOTE: save the dragons

am i the only one to like STD's reaction to his wagon? Like, it's quite the overagression from TSQ, and fenrir's reaction doesn't really feel calculated if y'all see what i mean

additionally wheme seems cool

nah, i just like the content of his character and the greeneness of his role PM

most major thing is that i doubt scum would do the charizard fake claim thingy

am i the only one to like STD's reaction to his wagon? Like, it's quite the overagression from TSQ, and fenrir's reaction doesn't really feel calculated if y'all see what i mean

additionally wheme seems cool

What of my points do you disagree with?

i'm thinking that STD's comment on the gamestate isn't indicative of him actually picking between wagons to choose which one to call out as random as this is the only real wagon we got while STD was online, besides yeah, it was absolutely random too and i don't see why you're making such a big deal outta this

I think you must not be reading my posts then. Because my argument has very little to do with which wagon STD called out but rather why STD made that comment at all.

hmmm, fuck

yeah okay that's fair, better that way, still weighting on the side of town!STD tho

Yo, will be back here to read and give reads later but for now just wanted to claim this;

I am a 1x reflexive role-copier

; I will get a one-shot copy of the first power to target me. So,

if you think your power is pretty damn strong especially if a second player can use it, you should target me N1

.

hai
tsq/std is tvt
VOTE: woolax

Without reading much of what TSQ said because I only got 4 hours of sleep despite popping a melatonin: firebringer wagon wasn't actually bad imo but I can see town!STD thinking it was and saying it like he did
Speaking of which:
VOTE: firebringer

most major thing is that i doubt scum would do the charizard fake claim thingy

I had a null takeaway on that because the ruleset openly limits the gens to 2 and 3, and I don't think fakeclaiming an obviously fake claim is likely to mean anything more than early-game shitposting.

Also, pretty sure I know what pokemon Mastina is claiming, but not sure if there's any benefit/detriment to saying. I

will

say I'm trying to think if there's a scummy equivalent that would want to be targeted, (something that steals your ability or something?) and I can't think of anything. So for now I'm thinking that's probably a legit town claim?

@Mastina: do you know what happens if you get targeted by multiple people in the same night?

- B.

that's a good point, on the other hand i might be overanalyzing a crumb too, but idk, got a good but feeling from wheme doing this

additionally, while the claim is slightly +town, i doubt mastina's role can't be a scum role too, heck, a reflexive rolecop maybe?

@Mastina: do you know what happens if you get targeted by multiple people in the same night?

I do, the interaction's laid out in my role PM. Not sure if I should share it tho. Do you think I should?

(Okay that wasn't me catching up, that was me jumping ahead. But NOW catching up from page one.)

VOTE: wisdom
let's murder him before he gets back from V/LA

VOTE: SirCakez
Even though I'm not scumreading this opening (not townreading it either but not scumreading it, is null), SirCakez draws scum in 100% of his games it seems so we may as well save him the misery of another scumgame and vote him out.

so uh T3 apart not liking 122 from milo, anything more concrete from your catchup?

I'm very happy with my assigned Pokemon.

Wood

you believe that my pokemon's one of the most appropriate for me?

I wanna be the very best like no one ever was

DUN DUN DUN

Town.

VOTE: sir cakez
first person who posts is always scum. i think thats like mafia facts

Firebringer. (I can't read Firebringer and won't pretend that I can, tho I will say that this would be 'town' alongside the above by natural inclination.)

I wanna be the very best like no one ever was

your avatar looks like a pokemon

Scum?

PS: how did I completely miss the fact mastina is in this, I definitely looked at the playerlist multiple times and definitely did not see her name there o_O
-q

If it makes you feel any better, I completely and entirely forgot that I signed up for this game until I received my role PM.

Im gonna full claim

I am mareep. I pick a target to sheep and when I do I become a double voter when I am sheeping that person

locktown

Mastina's entry doesn't feel much like scum. It's chill. 337 is odd. I don't really unerstand it, because it seems designed to make Deadcell uncomfortable? But it just feels startlingly open. But that's kind of their MO at the beginning of the game anyway and they did just claim out right at the beginning. So.
Gyphx is being too reasonable early. All of his takes are informed and he uses that...to town read people and push at people he knows are wrong.
Dwlee, is mostly at the periphery. I think he was just trying to avoid attention by voting FB, rather than pushing more at STD, or voting somewhere else.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Ralts doesn't really stand out. He just doesn't understand what STD is saying and that's pretty much it. It's probably true regardless of his alignment. It's kind of pointless though. I guess you could stretch it and say how they're approaching STD is tip-toeing. Trying not to offend, not giving them ammunition, Not even directly asking them what they mean, but instead putting it on themselves for feeling responsible that they can't understand them. It's kind of post county buffing. But that's all a stretch to me. It's just two nothing posts I think. aybe the responsibility portion points away from them. I'm probably overthinking it.

-Bell

[Milobird]

can we put early pressure on mastina and see their reaction?

I mean, you

can

, but it aint gonna do you much good given that I've all-but-fullclaimed already so I really don't have anything more to give ya.

im putting on bet now that 90% of alexandrites posts will be gamma so i don't think any of u need to be worried about thinking "who is posting this?"

I'd take that bet but I'd lose given that that's pretty much exactly the amount I'd guess would be Gamma.

I still think mastina pressure is never bad

Oh I imagine it'd work wonders if I actually ever drew scum but since mods seem to want me to always be fairly confirmable town......

They kind of fall apart on their own as scum lately. Though I always feel bad saying that.

I mean, it's

true

, so no need to feel bad saying that, but I also tend to fall apart faster as scum when pressured so Wheme's not wrong.

Also in my experience pressuring mastina means she will respond to the pressure 2 weeks later when catching up and not acknowledge you continuing to talk to her in real time in the thread. She'll get to that in 2 more weeks.

I feel called out.

...But not unjustifiably as this is

also

true.

seems random

Speaking of random, have my readslist!

Milobird
Save the Dragons
Firebringer
Thestatusquo

Truth Innuendos Lies
Sharing the Brain Cell

Kitty Trauma Team
Dwlee99
Ralts

The Goat
Gypyx
Alexandrite
chowchow
WhemeStar
Woolax
Wisdom
SleepyKrew

imaginality
T3
SirCakez

I can't decide if this a town reach or a scum reach tho.

If it helps I hated that post which immediately put imaginality in my bottom 3 reads. (Which, in spite of how I jested about the randomness of my readslist, was not in fact actually random. Well, mostly. I actually was stopping myself from posting readslists every page because I wanted to have a readslist where I manually added names as they posted rather than a readslist where I copied the names from the OP and rearranged them, but I caved in when I saw a mention of 'random' and couldn't resist. The names not posting at that point were basically random, the names having posted tho were not.)

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

also VOTE: alexandrite less talk more scrap

Are you caught up now? Cool. This message is for everyone but especially T3 and mastina.

Please don't catch up like that. I'm begging you.

good luck with this, esp with mastina

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

also VOTE: alexandrite less talk more scrap

what does this mean

-Gamma

(also from this point on if there's a tag that isn't Gamma, Meg, Pearl, or Garnet, it's probably Yume)

what does this mean

honetly it doesn't mean anything

Are you caught up now? Cool. This message is for everyone but especially T3 and mastina.

Please don't catch up like that. I'm begging you.

They will not listen guaranteed

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

also VOTE: alexandrite less talk more scrap

But how would that be determined? It’s not like we’re doing a mass claim on D1.

~Innuendos

just have mastina make an arbitrary way to separate things, if she's town we're good if she's scum we can prob read into the list she gives

statistically it would be hard for a random list to not contain any good PR

if anyone else needs me to tell them how to live their life just ask

Me next thanks. Give me the exact answer in my head and win a prize

Dwlee and Gyphx don't appear to be acknowledging the other exists.
Gyphx is engaging with Mastina, but they're tame questions so far.
While Dwlee doesn't appear to be acknowledging Mastina.

Those 2 scums being in the dead center of Mastina's reads though.
Tbh this is sort of atypical for Mastina, but given they haven't had much luck with their scum approach maybe they chose a more traditional scum reads list. It would be typical of anyone but Mastina to have that read's list as scum.

[Milobird]

Mastina's posts remain in the chill zone tho.
They also avoided the "I promise I'm going to post you guys" that murdered my town read of them in warehouse.
she said she was going to catch up and then immediately caught up. So that's cool.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Neither Gyphx nor Dwlee have engaged with Ralts, but ralt's is fairly focused and there isn't much to talk to Ralts about currently.
I don't really think anyone has reached out to Ralts at this point because nothing they've done invites that engagement outside of who they acknowledge themselves. They're being their own gate keeper. Either intentionally or not.

-Bell

[Milobird]

You can objectively uptick them as scum just by them repping out.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Empirically, rather.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I'm more interested in how people feel about Gyphx's posts towards Mastina.
I'm not sure if he's being cautious because they're scum together or if he's being cautious because he's super self-conscious and worried about getting caught by saying the wrong thing.

-Bell

[Milobird]

well, it's true that this way of doing things lower the chances of having the best role visit (although that might not even be the case depending on the tiebreaker for multiple visits)

but like, generally, the 2nd / 3rd / even 4th best role are not gonna be significantly weaker than the very best

Anyone posting in the thread without explicitly discussing me and std is scum claiming

Okay who has scum claimed

well, it's true that this way of doing things lower the chances of having the best role visit (although that might not even be the case depending on the tiebreaker for multiple visits)

but like, generally, the 2nd / 3rd / even 4th best role are not gonna be significantly weaker than the very best

She said she default coppies first pr right? The obvious problem with that is if Mastina’s town, then if the most powerful pr visits her first, then we get double. Well, I would strongly suggest that any relatively weak prs, use their abilities elsewhere. This will ensure we get a double dose of strong tpr.

~I

Then it works in the way laid out in my role PM. Will claim that interaction if more folks think it's a good idea for me to.

I think you know the answer to the question of "should I give out this info?" better than anyone else besides the mods, and I think that, if you're town (and we feel pretty sure you are at this juncture), you shouldn't allow others' opinions to sway you too easily in case some of those opinions come from scum who are like, idk, hunting for powerful powers or something.

like, if it would be terrible for town to have too many people target you, that might be a circumstance in which you wanna fullclaim? But again, only you and the mods know that.

- q and b. we both contributed to this post. with our powers combined...???!?!?!

....yeah, still only one brain cell.

well, it's true that this way of doing things lower the chances of having the best role visit (although that might not even be the case depending on the tiebreaker for multiple visits)

but like, generally, the 2nd / 3rd / even 4th best role are not gonna be significantly weaker than the very best

She said she default coppies first pr right? The obvious problem with that is if Mastina’s town, then if the most powerful pr visits her first, then we get double. Well, I would strongly suggest that any relatively weak prs, use their abilities elsewhere. This will ensure we get a double dose of strong tpr.

~I

oh yeah, obviously

post socks

LOCKTOWN

Didn't mastina do like exactly this in ydrssal and get mod killed

Yo, will be back here to read and give reads later but for now just wanted to claim this;

I am a 1x reflexive role-copier

; I will get a one-shot copy of the first power to target me. So,

if you think your power is pretty damn strong especially if a second player can use it, you should target me N1

.

Reflexively don't believe this either. Or extremely misleading.

W/e

has Mastina changed her habit of never fake-claiming though?

Looking at mastina's claim, why are we speculating what happens if multiple roles target her? She already said she copies just the first one (according to resolution I'm assuming)

Gyphx is giving me material to work with, I just have no idea if what he's doing here is spewing Mastina or not. All I'm really getting is that he's being tentative. He's pushing back slightly by revealing true information about her. Which is in line with his earlier approach in the game a few pags ago. But is he caution preaching? Fact dumping in lieu of something better to do?

-Bell

[Milobird]

every flipped replacement in this game is town so your statistics are garbage

This isn't how statistics work.

-Bell

[Milobird]

That's not how statistics work either.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I appreciate that Pooky. But nah. I enjoy the puzzle. Like I play mafia for this part. I like getting to know people and I like solving. Even if I can't be assed to.
I'm just going to keep on doing this. Though I'm probably going to take a break soon for the day since I've spent a lot of time on this already.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Nobody is sitting at a table.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Nobody important is sitting at a table.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I'm kidding, there are plenty of people sitting on tables right now.

But none of these people are more important than any other. They're all equally important. ('w')

-Bell

[Milobird]

What worries me most about mastina is she reads me as town in this game.

Town: Shea, maybe STD, slappykrew, esuriohydra

Scum: mastina, whemestar

I’ll be here all week thanks

Reading Mastina correctly in this game is super important considering her claim.

lol no

i'm fucking mareep you dolt

I CC this claim.

Now i retract.

CC again.

I don't understand this series of posts.
Was STD not genuinely counter claiming?

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

also VOTE: alexandrite less talk more scrap

But how would that be determined? It’s not like we’re doing a mass claim on D1.

~Innuendos

Everyone decide whether your power is likely in the top 5 town powers. If no, don't target mastina.
If yes, generate a random number 1-100. If your random number is > 50 target mastina otherwise don't.

That should result in a few but not too many strong town powers targeting mastina without having to list their names publicly in advance.

Threshold can be adjusted according to how sure we want to be at least one town player targets mastina, and what proportion of players are likely to follow this approach vs ignore it.

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VOTE: STD

i can meat read std very well
coming soon

you thought you could get one past me calling it "meat" instead of meta but I'm onto you

Obligatory: i can meat read std very well

Uhh. Nothing really interesting happened here. Imaginality leaning into theory, acting sort of like a brick.

Did I mention that I have 9 days off of work which is why I'm spamming, or why I'm able to devote so much time to this,
I mean besides it being elo.
I feel like I did, but I want to mention that because I think Sircakez said it was weird or something that I was suddenly trying (it's actually not weird).

-Bell

[Milobird]

We already covered this Pooky. This is how I play in elo.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Like, all I'm going to do is.

1. Make a narrative for Town & Scum, Pooky and Mastina.
2. Make a narrative for how each scum chose to present themselves and how that fits into their interactions with either of you.
3. Use all the time left going over all the posts to make that narrative.
4. Pick which one of you is more likely to be scum based on the narratives and then broken record ask you to cross vote each other and then make a case for one another.

@Mastina:
@Pooky:

Question for the day, ya'll have read death curse.
Ya'll have read Pooky versus Flavorleaf.

I know Mastina hasn't really had the opportunity to really dig into these recent posts.
But there's a pretty clear wall between what I'm capable of making myself do as town versus scum.

In death curse: I tried at the end.
In Pooky Versus FlavorLeaf: I promised to try at the end when I was cornered but it never materialized because I can't lie good.
Why can I suddenly lie good?

-Bell

[Milobird]

I’m just over here voting scum

Y’all enjoy your wagon on town

Anyone posting in the thread without explicitly discussing me and std is scum claiming

Okay who has scum claimed

@TSQ

I have trained under miltank for many a year for this snark

ah yes not_mafia, the snarky scummer.


VOTE: TIL
lockscum

VOTE: TIL

You spelled town wrong.

~I

VOTE: SleepyKrew

VOTE: TIL

Town-
Shea
STD
T3
Brain Cell
Slappykrew
Wisdom
Cakeboy

is there anyone else in this game you'd attribute > random reads to?

micc

predit: yeah still jiving with tsq

Levels of engagement, genuine engagement with the game and I enjoy the old man screaming at clouds, and cake has found stuff to pounce on and chase which is prob town from him

@fire

Unofficial VC

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate someone

Save The Dragons (4) -

Thestatusquo, Woolax, chowchow, Sharing the Brain Cell

Sharing the Brain Cell (4):

SirCakez, Firebringer, Whemestar, Wisdom

Milobird (3):

Kitty Trauma Team, imaginality, Save The Dragons

Firebringer (2) -

Ralts, Alexandrite

Truth Innuendo Lies (2) -

SleepyKrew, Dwlee99

SirCakez (1) -

mastina

Alexandrite (1) -

Gypyx

Whemestar (1):

Milobird

Not Voting (3) :

T3, The Goat, Truth Innuendo Lies

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-10-13 21:30:00)

did u ask this thinking it would help u read TIL?

yeah, its something I'd like to file away and probably come back to later.

If this is to me. it’s based off of experience playing with both Wisdom and Hectic

yes, the question was to you. can you answer it?

micc

Save The Dragons is the only leading wagon I understand at this point. Haven't seen a case to the Brain Cell or Milobird votes.

Firebringer had some votes but the wagon quickly died off. Not interested in voting there.
the brief chowchow wagon was fine. I don't see voting people who are strictly here to meme as productive, but I am generally on board to policy lim them sooner rather than later.

nancy not answering the questing is kinda irritating but very much in line with what I'd expect.

micc

I'm WIFOMing myself here, but I do wonder if scum would be this obstinate about continuing to do the blatantly anti-town thing.

and then that most recent post.

hmm.

yeah okay whatever back to this for now

VOTE: STD

-q

well, to be fair, pretty sure that gimmick isn't even alignement indicative right ? besides that's like 5 posts into the doggo guy's ISO at the time you're saying this, that's barely even callable as an iso lol

VOTE: braincell

unrelated to my previous quote btw, just realized

shea I danced for you are you going to respond to that

sorry prolly not

damn wish I saw this before I changed my vote

Then why didn't you change your vote back?

Micc: Doing the bare minimum. I shall post about all of the events currently. I shall state my opinions on them and then I shall go on lunch break and do it again. Lunch break scum. They're actually kind of contentless here. I should've had more red flags based on that. I was mostly waiting for the worst to post since I know they hate being scum. But I don't think they ever did.
Gyphx: still doing the reasonable shtick.

The whole scum team is ignoring each other and not even throwing soft ball questions at each other. The only exception so far might be Gyphx.

-Bell

-Bell

[Milobird]

Cool, so can you fuck off while I continue my song and dance instead of wasting my time while I do something I enjoy?

-Bell

[Milobird]

You're being rude.

-Bell

[Milobird]

What makes you think Wisdom is a scumread of mine?

Wheme is based off his (lack of) engagement with the game- all he’s successfully done is Shit posted despite there being plenty to dig into. I’m unimpressed by mastinas readslist, but this could change with more from her.

Now that I’ve acknowledged it’s not wisdom- who do you think my third is?

Ninja-
Aye matey, ye should know how slippery I be. It be from covering meself in moss off the starboard bow.

VC1.02

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate someone

Firebringer (1):

Ralts

Save The Dragons (5):

Thestatusquo, Sharing the Brain Cell, Woolax, chowchow, SleepyKrew

Milobird (3):

Kitty Trauma Team, imaginality, Save The Dragons

Sharing the Brain Cell (6):

SirCakez, Firebringer, Whemestar, Wisdom, Gypyx, Truth innuendos Lies

Alexandrite (1):

Gypyx

Truth Innuendos Lies (2):

SleepyKrew, Dwlee99

Not Voting:

T3, Alexandrite, The Goat, mastina

Deadline:

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while i'm certainely glad to have doublevoter status, i think i'm fine with my vote on Alexandrite being removed

Yeah if we could not publicly decoder ring crumbs that would be great?

ive never understood this because scum are going to do it. also i kind of think its a joke because is "wood" really a crumb....knowing mastina it probably is but w/e

what does this mean

honetly it doesn't mean anything

This open admission also probably comes from town.

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

also VOTE: alexandrite less talk more scrap

But how would that be determined? It’s not like we’re doing a mass claim on D1.

~Innuendos

just have mastina make an arbitrary way to separate things, if she's town we're good if she's scum we can prob read into the list she gives

statistically it would be hard for a random list to not contain any good PR

I've never played with town Gypyx but this doesn't particularly feel like scum gypyx.

Not to be mean but basically my experience in games I've played with/observed of town mastina I'll just take her town Poe and eliminate all of them and win the game.

Lets put these pokemon into boxes for storage:
pokemon im carrying around: (i cant trust these people to be town and wont wipe in nuzlocke)
TheStatusQuo, T3, Save The Dragons

Pokemon in Box 1 (the backups. People im feeling okay about or don't want to worry about)
Whemestar, Wisdom, Milobird, mastina

Pokemon in Box 2 (the third string. People who i know exist but are like just there)
dwlee99, imaginality, alexandrite, Ralts, Gypx, Woolax, Cakez

Pokemon in Box 3 (never picked. People i want to grill or trade to another trainer)
The Goat, SleepyKrew, Sharing the Brain Cell, Kitty Trauma Team, Truth Innuendo Lies, ChowChow

i feel like theres always at least one scum who speculates on game mechanics instead of actually interacting with the game. TIL could be that scum

Your read on me apparently hasn’t improved since Doubles.

~I

Good thing a bad read has never stopped me from continuing to play. I would have stopped playing long ago

VOTE: Sharing the brain cell

STD and milo I both think are town

MALA COME BACK I WAS PLAYING LEAGUE

also your vote is bad pls fix and vote wheme

You guys have no idea how much Notty was fixating on the fact Mala wasn't interacting with him. >.> He just town binned them in the end though before they cleared themselves and made it mute. >.>

Yeah, after Iso'ing Gyphx, I pretty much agree that Gyphx is obvscum this game.

Why isn't he dead yet?

-Bell

-Bell

[Milobird]

"tells me to fuck off so he can make up some bullshit narrative about me being scum"

"claims i'm being rude"

ok buddy. I'll let you get 24 hours without me in thread to do your thing since apparently you can't even interact while making shit up

I've been interacting with you all day, while making shit up. But it's distracting and you keep trying to define me and I have a low self-esteem so I can't really just brush off characterizations like a good adult can.



-Bell

[Milobird]

It's not like I can't point out the flaws in every argument you make. We've both played mafia a lot and are excellent at arguing.
Hah, okay, neither of us are actually good at arguing, but you know what I mean.
We're at home arguing with people and arguing about stuff that's barely coherent.

Like for example, you keep asking me why I'm trying to do a song and dance. But you've never considered if you're town that it's just me trying to solve, that there are a million other approaches I could be doing that would be less time intensive and less soul sucking because you know I hate being scum, so why would I want to subject myself to more of it here. Because you have a case on mastina town, somewhere. This is a point against you. There are a lot of points against you.
You're frictionless except for the player you want to kill,
while we're the opposite of that and it should be a pretty clear sign which of us is scum tbh. You're just trying to win I can respect that.
But I'd like to just check my corners and think about it and then make a nice little narrative and bow as to who's scum and why and who is town and why.
I enjoy doing that.
I don't enjoy doing that as scum. >.> Literally everyone including you knows this.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Here, let me interrupt the counter argument,

Pooky: Belligerent statement full of faux outrage, and what are you even talking about, you're barely being coherent. Insert sound bite about being scum, this is pathetic Bell.

Blahblahblah.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I won't lie, half the time I'm just so dumbfounded by what you're saying that I don't even know where to start correcting you, but I think rather than you just having sudden comprehension issues, you're just probably scum.

But I wanna go back and do it the way I like solving. I mean there's a reason I'm a waffler and it's not because I'm confident in myself. It takes a lot for me to be comfortable in my own reads. I never really feel like I'm trying to understand until elo actually just because there's so much data and the choices are so narrow that it feels like I can finally have a chance to comprehend it.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Anyway, thanks for the 24 hours Pooky.
I'm going to go do back to solving now.

But I actually need more than 24 hours.
There's a lot. But feel free to come back at that point.

-Bell

[Milobird]

VOTE: gypyx
he pinged me early so I'm very down for this wagon

-Gamma

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

I mean the problem with that is, the only way we'd have to know who should be the PR targeting me is if we had a D1 massclaim--with that obviously being something we shouldn't do, that means we have no way of coordinating it. We don't know who the best person to target me would be. And we have no way of limiting the number of players targeting me, either.

So my solution was just to leave it to the PRs in question, that if they think their role is strong especially with a second person getting a 1x copy of it, to have them target me.

has Mastina changed her habit of never fake-claiming though?

Nope!

Didn't mastina do like exactly this in ydrssal and get mod killed

I've made my stance on that modkill being bullshit quite clear.

Anyone posting in the thread without explicitly discussing me and std is scum claiming

Actually I'd say it's closer to the opposite.

I am aware that both you and STD are experienced enough scum players to make a SvS or SvT fight look TvT, HOWEVER:
I think you are town by your posting;
I think STD is town by his posting;
I think the fight between you and STD looks town on both ends;
I think the people who have said the fight is TvT directly are, overall, a group

more

likely to contain scum rather than less.

I am aware that both you and STD are experienced enough scum players to make a SvS or SvT fight look TvT, HOWEVER:
I think you are town by your posting;
I think STD is town by his posting;
I think the fight between you and STD looks town on both ends;

I think the people who have said the fight is TvT directly are, overall, a group more likely to contain scum rather than less.

That conclusion seems backwards given the sentences before this.

Did anyone in this group catch your eye?

I don’t like her readslist.

I admit I'm not happy about the amount of nulls and I'm not happy how weak my townreads are.

However, I am actually

quite

confident in my scumreads.

imaginality
T3
SirCakez

I talked about imaginality already, but my thoughts on T3 were immediately that this looked like T3's scum meta rather than his town meta. I'm not positive, obviously, so I'm less sure of T3 being scum than I was, but I'm still leaning scum meta more than town meta.

As for SirCakez?

I wasn't joking when I said that I legitimately, genuinely, think that SirCakez is just scum this game. I think this is SirCakez's scum meta as literally every post of his is screaming "this is SirCakez as scum". But beyond the generic things, I can actually point you to something more specific that I found highly damning:

VOTE: wisdom
let's murder him before he gets back from V/LA

VOTE: SirCakez
Even though I'm not scumreading this opening (not townreading it either but not scumreading it, is null), SirCakez draws scum in 100% of his games it seems so we may as well save him the misery of another scumgame and vote him out.

fuck this is like Peta and I's dynamic

If SirCakez were town, the response from my post saying "he's always scum so we may as well vote him out" I would expect to be: " ", or maybe " ".
Though not as town as he could do it as scum as well, it could even have ben "lol".

It's something that, if SirCakez were town, I'd expect him to take in good humor, laugh along, and find amusing.

But this response was basically dead serious, and the dead serious treatment of the "SirCakez is always scum", rather than treating it in good humor, is what makes me think that SirCakez is scum here.

So my vote there is dead serious.

Yo, will be back here to read and give reads later but for now just wanted to claim this;

I am a 1x reflexive role-copier

; I will get a one-shot copy of the first power to target me. So,

if you think your power is pretty damn strong especially if a second player can use it, you should target me N1

.

hmmmmmm

This seems like a good time to mention I'm back to thinking T3's scum by meta.

Milobird
Save the Dragons
Firebringer
Thestatusquo
Wisdom

Truth Innuendos Lies
Sharing the Brain Cell

WhemeStar
Kitty Trauma Team
Dwlee99
Ralts

Alexandrite
The Goat
Gypyx
chowchow
Woolax
SleepyKrew

imaginality

T3
SirCakez

Yo, will be back here to read and give reads later but for now just wanted to claim this;

I am a 1x reflexive role-copier

; I will get a one-shot copy of the first power to target me. So,

if you think your power is pretty damn strong especially if a second player can use it, you should target me N1

.

Reflexively don't believe this either. Or extremely misleading.

W/e

mastina doesn't fakeclaim

Like ever?

I thought her claim could've been a PGO ploy given how she doesn't seem willing to narrow down the list of people who should target her, even though her role presumably can only copy one other role.

but if this is actually true, mastina should be out of the d1 lim pool.

never ever

- Wooper

is "wood" really a crumb....knowing mastina it probably is but w/e

Wood

n't you like to know.

I think T3 is town now.

I don't. T3's posts just are lacking something to them. The content within is fine, it's just that the content is just...lacking something that T3 has as town.

Nancy how do you feel about me
What if i told you std is town

UNVOTE:

I tr you.

~I

Can you go into your thought process here? You thought STD was scummy and a couple of your townreads were also voting there. Why is Wisdom's post enough to override that?

I am aware that both you and STD are experienced enough scum players to make a SvS or SvT fight look TvT, HOWEVER:
I think you are town by your posting;
I think STD is town by his posting;
I think the fight between you and STD looks town on both ends;

I think the people who have said the fight is TvT directly are, overall, a group more likely to contain scum rather than less.

That conclusion seems backwards given the sentences before this.
Did anyone in this group catch your eye?

It's not backwards, because in a TvT fight the scum are more likely going to say "this fight is TvT" and do nothing about it--I realize I didn't work to defuse it, and I realize there could be and will be town who similarly didn't work to defuse it, but I still think that there would be scum who just called it TvT and did nothing about it.

I'd need to go back to that section of the game to check for the names more likely to be scum calling it TvT tho.

This whole thing is interesting.

751 Once again, could probably figure out whether this is scum talking to scum or not if I were better. It's sort of just Mastina's lecture mode. Which is usually her default interaction style. I've never really gone indepth with how she talks to her scum partners in game.

Ralts comes in and points out that Mastina might be contradicting herself, but she predictably bowls right over this.
There's something a little funny about her using the adverbs, legitimately and genuinely to describe her suspicions of Sircakez here. I'm not sure they would place so much emphasis on this if they were actually scum. It's kind of on the nose.
She points to one thing that she found "highly damning" which I'm not sure she'd ever post as scum either. It's also a little bit sooner than is typical for scum mastina to start biting down on someone. But scheduling maybe.

Woolax just kind of pops in at the periphery to make a side comment. I guess they either don't know how to engage or just wanna make a snide post. I mean snide in a nice way. Er, if there is such a thing. It's mildly humorous.

Aside: I have no idea how to tell the difference between a TVT, TVS, SVS fight. Mostly I just interfere if it's partiuclarly toxic and I feel safe doing so and the timing is okay. Sometimes I just can't be assed, other times I feel like I've been invited or at least feel safe judging an interaction and can make a pot saying that the interaction isn't helpful without worrying about it.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Note to self:

Page 31. Might want to look back at it later.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Ralts is sort of inconsistency hunting.
mmm

-Bell

[Milobird]

Hm, I guess we’ll never know which player that’s alive has the widest scumrange

[Milobird]

fb Nancy is town

Put her in the first boxes with me

How is Gyphx not dead yet, iso him.
Seriously.

-Bell

fb Nancy is town

Put her in the first boxes with me

How is Gyphx not dead yet, iso him.
Seriously.

-Bell

Can you elaborate on this? I'll concede my read on Gypyx is mostly a gut feeling, so it would be great to know if you've got anything more concrete.

Unless it's meta. I'm not jumping down rabbit holes trying to meta a fuckton of people I don't know.

- B.

PEDIT: T3 is a leanscum too but I think my confidence goes STD >> Whemestar >>>>> Gypyx >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T3.

Not really sold on StD, but aside from that, I vibe with these reads.

Er, it's day 1. All you have is gut.

And my gut tells me that I will never ever let Gyphx live this game. Do it now because I won't ever shut up about this until he flips red or flips green and I accuse the moderator of lying.

-Bell

VOTE: Gyphx

It's not backwards, because in a TvT fight the scum are more likely going to say "this fight is TvT" and do nothing about it--I realize I didn't work to defuse it, and I realize there could be and will be town who similarly didn't work to defuse it, but I still think that there would be scum who just called it TvT and did nothing about it.

I'd need to go back to that section of the game to check for the names more likely to be scum calling it TvT tho.

I think ignoring it and doing something else is another way of defusing, but I don't think it's necessary to harp on this point. I'm more interested in seeing what names you come up with!

Also I too got TvT vibes from TSQ and STD's posting

Wait but didn't you vote std?

Nope

pedit: I'll vote when I'm all caught up. I'm in the early 20s

VOTE: Gyphx

Yo bell come talk to me. Can I please get some words so i can maybe at least take a look at your meta read on my own?

is the goat an alt of someone

VOTE: Gyphx

Yo bell come talk to me. Can I please get some words so i can maybe at least take a look at your meta read on my own?

Gyphx auto pilots as scum and needs an entire team of committed mafia players to keep him afloat.
Prolly not happening here.

Ergo he's scum because his tone is lifeless, his posts stringy and full of phlegm. Gyphx town is focused after the jokes.
He's meandering here and letting the world pass him by.

-Bell

I do not like that Ralts ignores the Gyphx conversation here.
This is a point against them. Everyone else pays attention. Ralts pretends it doesn't exist.

-Bell

[Milobird]

No, putting them in a line with 4 other reads does not count as acknowledging the conversation.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Whelp. I said my piece.
It's up to you if you wanna vote him or not.

*shrug*

-Bell

Ok but did you think that interaction felt that way?

VOTE: Gyphx

I feel like I usually have stronger reads by now but this is fine.

Ok but did you think that interaction felt that way?

Your discussion with them isn't deep enough for me to hesitate.

-Bell

This list is roughly what I'm working off of:

Town

Milo, TSQ, Alexandrite
Brain Cell, Wisdom, StD, mastina
Everyone else
SleepyKrew, Wheme, TIL
Gypyx, T3

Scum

Not the worst group to be in

Gamma is one of the few people I can metaread. I've played with him a lot, and I feel pretty good about his posting and tone here.

*takes of sunglasses*

Is sircakez finally town?

*pokes him to see if he's real*

-Bell

@Thanks mod friend.

Gamma is one of the few people I can metaread. I've played with him a lot, and I feel pretty good about his posting and tone here.

any specific posts u want to call attention to

*takes of sunglasses*

Is sircakez finally town?

*pokes him to see if he's real*

-Bell

@Thanks mod friend.

Welcome to like 5 pages ago

I like Ralts readslist despite disagreeing witH 3 of his scumpool.

but i have no strong opinions on u either so im not gonna sit here and complain about being null

If it makes you feel better, it's not that I haven't noticed you, but rather I'm not sure how to sort you.

And it's more of a general vibe that Gamma's happy to be here. Content wise, I guess I liked his vote on Gypyx.

Spoiler: A couple of tonally towny Gamma posts

Gahahaha I got post 151!

-Gamma

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

haven't you ever seen full metal alchemist before?

VILE FIEND
VOTE: SAVE THE DRAGONS

-Gamma

Which 3?

TIL ehh admittedly my weakest scumlean in the bottom tiers, but their vote on StD and subsequent unvote gave me the impression that they didn't have that much conviction in their vote/reads. Possibly a pocketing attempt too now that I think about it.

SleepyKrew off the top of my head I don't recall what he's done except nitpick at other people's playstyles.

T3 is mostly there for anti mindmeld.

I spoke too soon, they do acknowledge the existence of suspicion on Gyphx with these posts and vote them. But they do not directly contribute to this conversation. Instead they start conversing with others about others.

The perspective on 824 is odd. It shows a wide range, that they're paying attention, but their focus what they're actually commenting about is non-committal. Their strongest reasoned stance if Gamma, but they don't comment on us, just put us at the top of the town pile. I don't even think they've interacted with us, even though Notty acknowledged them.

I can't really tell if they're spreading their feelers/branching out as scum and weak sauce bussing, while positioning themselves after a possible Gyphx flip or not. Though they continue their trend of always being 3rd~4th vote on a player and hiding behind the reasoning of others.

-Bell

-Bell

[Milobird]

There's also a trend of Ralts continuing to be polite scum. Always massaging other people's egos, "if it makes you feel better", "not the worst group to be in", etc.
It's non-confrontational, but could just be their personality.

-Bell

[Milobird]

mmm. 6 minutes after my post is their first post and they acknowledge the Gyphx pressure without asking about it or saying much about it an hour later, just voting them. It's entirely possible they're just spending that entire hour weighing whether it would be natural for them to bus there and what they would like to do with it. Ultimately they just took the normal newbie route. 'I can't ignore this, but I don't want to add to it. Let me make a reads list. I'm feeling the pressure let me start talking to others and build some influence because the game is sort of getting away from us.'

-Bell

[Milobird]

I'm so detached and the "no u" posts aren't helping. I'll hopefully get in and decide who I think should die.

I still strongly favor a no elimination.

The dead chat is probably chiding me for missing the obvious.

I don't think anybody has objected. I'm fine letting the candle burn out on its own. I'm having fun.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Hi kuribo! Could I interest you in a gypyx wagon?

So many pages happened

TSQ are you still on STD

It kind of feels like you've been weirdly me focused this game dwlee. Do you have thoughts and questions for the other players in the game?

I am aware that both you and STD are experienced enough scum players to make a SvS or SvT fight look TvT, HOWEVER:
I think you are town by your posting;
I think STD is town by his posting;
I think the fight between you and STD looks town on both ends;
I think the people who have said the fight is TvT directly are, overall, a group

more

likely to contain scum rather than less.

so you're more likely to be scum according to your own words?



edit while reading further : yeah okay saw your answer to ralts, not a huge fan of admitting that you yourself are scummy but like i don't know how to play mafia so idk

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

I mean the problem with that is, the only way we'd have to know who should be the PR targeting me is if we had a D1 massclaim--with that obviously being something we shouldn't do, that means we have no way of coordinating it. We don't know who the best person to target me would be. And we have no way of limiting the number of players targeting me, either.

So my solution was just to leave it to the PRs in question, that if they think their role is strong especially with a second person getting a 1x copy of it, to have them target me.

yeah but the problem is like, if we have 4-5 of our most powerful roles stack up on ya (which seems quite like a realistic thing to occur given the openeness of what could happen), it probably won't be of much worth in the end, because we essentially trade 3-4 night actions in exchange for hoping you're town and will use those well, see what i mean?

I'm scared if i talk about people town reading me that they will stop town reading me
I legit play my town games like scum half the time because I get miselimmed so much

well, if you're scared to the point of "deep anxiety" or sumthin' then how come you're talking about it like that without

feels less like a preemptive apology (which eh, i guess it would be worth a slight townlean) and more like you're trying to publically project what your town mindset would be

I say this with love Gyphx.

-Bell

*grumbles.

-Bell.

Bell, bell, bell.

ya no worries, see what you mean there, altho it's been 3 months since i haven't had a real game of mafia, so i dunno, seems like pretty outdated meta to me?

Yeah. Still haven't seen a reason why any of his reaction to me was town.

Damn, thought maybe something in all those pages changed your mind

It kind of feels like you've been weirdly me focused this game dwlee. Do you have thoughts and questions for the other players in the game?

You're always around when I check the game. To have more thoughts I feel like I need to do more than skim the past few pages or just wait for more stuff to happen. Gypyx had the same reaction to that mastina post as me when I read the quote which is good

-snip-

yeah but the problem is like, if we have 4-5 of our most powerful roles stack up on ya (which seems quite like a realistic thing to occur given the openeness of what could happen), it probably won't be of much worth in the end, because we essentially trade 3-4 night actions in exchange for hoping you're town and will use those well, see what i mean?

The approach I proposed in #503 would avoid that issue.

-snip-

yeah but the problem is like, if we have 4-5 of our most powerful roles stack up on ya (which seems quite like a realistic thing to occur given the openeness of what could happen), it probably won't be of much worth in the end, because we essentially trade 3-4 night actions in exchange for hoping you're town and will use those well, see what i mean?

The approach I proposed in #503 would avoid that issue.

My response to this plan is who cares

that mastina post

752 btw

I don't like Gypyx and Ralts jumping on mastina's comment about the people who see TSQ v STD as TvT being more likely scum than not.

It seemed like deliberately reading the comment in the worst way.

Ralts raised it as a question whereas Gypyx continued to paint it as though mastina was calling herself scummy even after reading mastina's reply to Ralts. Which, like, I don't see why Gypyx bothers to post that as town, but as scum it is a chance to splash a bit of dirt on someone.

VOTE: Gypyx

On STD v TSQ my initial take was slightly suspicious of STD and pro town on TSQ. Someone mentioned TSQ plays like that as scum also so that tempers my town read slightly but I still like his side of it. Still figuring out how I feel about the STD side of it. I didn't see the initial post as scummy but the initial reaction to TSQ's pressure did feel a bit hmmm... Like, I didn't like the retrofitting 'oh but look at the reactions I generated' part of the conversation. However there was also a hint of confused 'what are you on about'-ness to it.

Interesting also at Gypyx defended STD against TSQ early in that debate.

Oh cool add Dwlee99 to Gypyx and Ralts on the pile of "scum shiftily sniffing for stuff to stir up so as to subtly scatter some sneaky suspicion on seemingly stand-up citizens"

I like Imaginality for town I think

I don't think Gypyx is scummy but eh, not objecting either

846 Imaginality is nightmare fuel. He pushes Ralts and Gyphx, but votes Gyphx. Both Ralts and Gyphx latch unto Mastina saying they're acting scummy. Gyphx pushes Mastina while also discrediting himself by saying he sucks. He is, in effect, doing exactly what imaginality said, Gyphx is shading Mastina. But why. Why bring it up at all. Why Poke at town Ralts, but vote Gyphx? Are they setting them up for a miselim later? Why is Gyphx jumping on Mastina's comment, which is an absurdly low hanging fruit if they're partners? Are they trying to call it out for cred later, or damage minimizing? Does Gyphx focus on interacting with his scum partner more than pretty much any other player in the game?


-Bell

Dwlee is largely doing nothing, they're totally contentless at this point.

[Milobird]

Imaginality is a weird player.
I still can't decide whether Gyphx would be interacting with Mastina this much if they were scum together. Rather, whether that's relevant or an easy fix. Gyphx used kid gloves with pretty much everyone, so it's difficult to tell. If he's pulling his punches for Mastina specifically or if he's just trying not to stand out by taking significant stances.


-Bell

[Milobird]

avoiding taking significant stances *.

[Milobird]

Wasn't Sircakez supposed to post stuff today.

[Milobird]

Oh cool add Dwlee99 to Gypyx and Ralts on the pile of "scum shiftily sniffing for stuff to stir up so as to subtly scatter some sneaky suspicion on seemingly stand-up citizens"

Wtf is this?

I don't like Gypyx and Ralts jumping on mastina's comment about the people who see TSQ v STD as TvT being more likely scum than not.

It seemed like deliberately reading the comment in the worst way.

Ralts raised it as a question whereas Gypyx continued to paint it as though mastina was calling herself scummy even after reading mastina's reply to Ralts. Which, like, I don't see why Gypyx bothers to post that as town, but as scum it is a chance to splash a bit of dirt on someone.

Well, look, got a personal theory that scum are quite more likely than town to admit they did the sussy, cuz like, obviously they

know

they aren't innocent, especially in cases where it's like "yeah doing that is bad, i know i did it but pls bear with me"

and on the question of posting it, i saw the first message, wrote it, then saw her developping on it, and even though that kinda puts it into perspetive as something widespread, still thought it was notable enuff to br pointed out

plus i took like 5 good minutes to get that gif link working so i wasn't gonna let it good to waste lmao

also imaginality if you could tell the difference between sharing reads and being a devilish scum drawing attention to town's scummy posts

Oh cool add Dwlee99 to Gypyx and Ralts on the pile of "scum shiftily sniffing for stuff to stir up so as to subtly scatter some sneaky suspicion on seemingly stand-up citizens"

Who am I casting suspicion on here exactly?

I'm scared if i talk about people town reading me that they will stop town reading me
I legit play my town games like scum half the time because I get miselimmed so much

well, if you're scared to the point of "deep anxiety" or sumthin' then how come you're talking about it like that without

feels less like a preemptive apology (which eh, i guess it would be worth a slight townlean) and more like you're trying to publically project what your town mindset would be

That is exactly what I was doing lol

??

what is the "that"

Publicly projecting my town mindset so people understand me better

aaah

i wasn't thinking you'd go and say that tbh lol, i meant this as more a bad thing like, scum!you is emulating it

interesting that you didn't connect the dots here

Whelp. That "WTF is this" 856 is going to be going back and forth in my brain for the next week.
There aren't a huge number of ways to interpret that. It just sounds like he's pissed that Imaginality is shading his buddies.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Oh, he was using alliteration.
But I don't think that's what Dwlee was asking about.

-Bell

[Milobird]

It's cool, I probably won't be here tomorrow. I have no idea if it's thanksgiving tomorrow, but I'm spending it at the grandparents.

Q. Why don't you want to try to read Ralts, who is probably easier to read than noted scum player Pooks?
Also, I think Pooky can post now, so I'm ready to be harassed again.
Thanks for the break Pooky, I appreciated it.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Oh cool add Dwlee99 to Gypyx and Ralts on the pile of "scum shiftily sniffing for stuff to stir up so as to subtly scatter some sneaky suspicion on seemingly stand-up citizens"

Wtf is this?

Also check it.
You might not realize it now, but this is actually the key where all was revealed.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I wonder if unknown1(5?)6 and imaginality are related.
It feels a little gross when they just bin their entire team like that day 1 "subtly" and hope the wifom works out for them and nothing happens until then.
It's gross. Petapan would not approve.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I solved it though.
It took me 36 pages of glorious reading, but I found the key.
It feels like I cheated. But I can't imagine anything being more obvious than Imaginality just putting them all into a box and then Dwlee rage posting about it before they thought better of it.
It's actually very lame. I kind of feel bad for the scum team.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I feel bad for Dwlee, not imaginality.
I judge that sort of shenanigans harshly. There are better ways to play.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Actually I solved for imaginality.
You just kind of got screwed.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Welcome back and I'm sorry for swearing at you.
I just needed to have some fun.

Also, Ralts is easier to read than you, so I'm glad he wasn't very good.

-Bell

[Milobird]

If you guys would like me to keep going though like I said I would, I'm fine with that.
I just think Dwlee slipped and you can't really blame him with the shit Imaginality was pulling.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Notty wants me to play differently, so I'm fine also just trying to show you guys that I'm town and that Pooky is the last scum.

-Bell

[Milobird]

You're very ruthless Pooky.
I respect that.

-Bell

[Milobird]

NGL, I kind of want to keep going though. Just because of some bs my solve finished early.
I know that, arguably it doesn't really look like it.
But that's pretty much what he did and it's *fairly* obvious.

Also, I don't think Gyphx focuses on talking to Mastina or shading them as much if they were scum partners because Gyphx is in bad scum player jail.

I should really try and put all of this together into a narrative though.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Happy thanksgiving everyone.

Also,
I don't know why but Notty thinks you're going to fuck up.
I'm still here ready to lay out my life story so that this doesn't happen.

Please read my posts. It's not just fighting with Pooky.

I think the narrative that Imaginality put all three of his buddies into a pile and Dwlee snapped and wrote "Wtf is this" to be fairly persuasive evidence.
I do not think they discussed this before hand. Note how all the scum buddies studiously ignore each other for the most part. Dwlee broke from that approach in a moment of genuine annoyance.

Like I said I'm more than happy to keep going if you don't think my analysis was enough. I can go over the whole game (well, I can't because of how slow going it is) but I can go over as much as I can if you want, I'd even enjoy it.

Spoiler: Pooky

Adding to the pile of evidence, if Flavorleaf can't save me from my shit scum game Notty sure can't. You almost certainly know this, I am working on trying to learn to lie better, but it's going to take a lot of time. .

-Bell

[Milobird]

Just believe that you can read Bell and that he didn't become a grandmaster scum player in one single game where he suddenly broke through his inability to fake solve.
This isn't actually that hard. I left my scum range behind. I can point out everything that Pooky is doing right now and demonstrate that it doesn't come from a solving mind set, his excuse that he's already decided who it is, doesn't even make sense. He's a much more cautious bear as town as much as he likes to bluster outwardly. This isn't a cautious bear. He's showing zero nervousness or hesitation.
Ask yourselves why everyone else is but he isn't.
See also, Mastina death curse at the end, I might be a one note player, but it's a good note in elo. I've basically used the same method of trying to solve using the entire scum team and not just looking at Pooky alone. This is incredibly difficult to fake. You should all be aware of this.

I'm not a good liar.
Pooky is. Pooky has the motivation to shoot Gyphx. I already explained the Petapan story. Pooky wants this win. He wants a story to tell.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Like, I can't just fake this level of faucet shit, that's why people keep giving me shit for my scum game in the first place. My playstyle is intentionally designed to be townie,
but my scum game can't keep up with it.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Like I said Pooky's strategy is just to keep engaging me rather than solving or showing that I'm scum.

His signature even demonstrates that he believes this is a part of his strategy. I didn't even know this because I never clicked on it.

"Please refrain from diverting our sleuths out there Pooky."
~Maple

^ Like really. It's right there. He was diverting me from solving.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Like, please believe me and prove Notty wrong. If not me, just follow Koba who has been a clown this game but has been a very determined clown especially at the end. Koba is going to get more accurate with time just through sheer effort. STD also thought the bear was probably scum at the end.
And also, just tell me what you're feeling and thinking. You guys haven't laid out a real stance or case or given me any feedback on what I'm saying or doing.

I can't help us win if you don't engage with me and connect.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I kind of figured it would be something like that tbh,
I just thought it was funny, that, that's what you're probably doing *here* anyway.

Also, sure. Thanks, I don't really like getting annoyed. It's not my cup of tea.

-Bell

[Milobird]

It should probably be noted that any revenge you think I deserve willl pale in comparison to the sheer depth of my misread if you're actually town.
I have a bad feeling I will feel awful for literal days if I'm wrong here.

-Bell

[Milobird]

...Fuck it, I'll keep going just to be sure.

Later though, Turkey day.

Have a good one.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I don't like Gypyx and Ralts jumping on mastina's comment about the people who see TSQ v STD as TvT being more likely scum than not.

It seemed like deliberately reading the comment in the worst way.

Ralts raised it as a question whereas Gypyx continued to paint it as though mastina was calling herself scummy even after reading mastina's reply to Ralts. Which, like, I don't see why Gypyx bothers to post that as town, but as scum it is a chance to splash a bit of dirt on someone.

Well, look, got a personal theory that scum are quite more likely than town to admit they did the sussy, cuz like, obviously they

know

they aren't innocent, especially in cases where it's like "yeah doing that is bad, i know i did it but pls bear with me"

and on the question of posting it, i saw the first message, wrote it, then saw her developping on it, and even though that kinda puts it into perspetive as something widespread, still thought it was notable enuff to br pointed out

plus i took like 5 good minutes to get that gif link working so i wasn't gonna let it good to waste lmao

This is a weird post, I'm not sure how to interpret it. Would someone like to help?

also imaginality if you could tell the difference between sharing reads and being a devilish scum drawing attention to town's scummy posts

See, this is just a wry post. But it lays bare some of the deficiencies he has when interacting with his partners (though, there really isn't an easy way to interact with a partner that shades your entire team)

Oh cool add Dwlee99 to Gypyx and Ralts on the pile of "scum shiftily sniffing for stuff to stir up so as to subtly scatter some sneaky suspicion on seemingly stand-up citizens"

Who am I casting suspicion on here exactly?

Push back.

I'm scared if i talk about people town reading me that they will stop town reading me
I legit play my town games like scum half the time because I get miselimmed so much

well, if you're scared to the point of "deep anxiety" or sumthin' then how come you're talking about it like that without

feels less like a preemptive apology (which eh, i guess it would be worth a slight townlean) and more like you're trying to publically project what your town mindset would be

That is exactly what I was doing lol

??

what is the "that"

Publicly projecting my town mindset so people understand me better

aaah

i wasn't thinking you'd go and say that tbh lol, i meant this as more a bad thing like, scum!you is emulating it

interesting that you didn't connect the dots here

shea I danced for you are you going to respond to that

sorry prolly not

damn wish I saw this before I changed my vote

Then why didn't you change your vote back?

I think scum imaginality would be shading people left and right from what I’ve seen with him so he gets a tow read.

I have only played one game with Imaginality where he was town in OMB but not sure why you sr him?

193 - says nothing
197 - seems forced
487 - says nothing
503 - could be either alignment
670 - could be shade on a townie (yes i know i have SK as scum) there's no follow through
671 - says nothing
717 - says nothing
843 - could be either alignment
846 - could be scum jumping on the wagon, could be town seeing a problem with gypyx sure. this post puts some doubt into my read.
847 - throws shade around, but mostly says nothing

mostly gut at this point tbh

I feel bad for missing this post, because I think this spews him as town after imaginality flipped. I should have at least wrestled with it.

is anyone complaining about ur posts being long

@brain, why do so many of your posts have so many words and

so little content

?

This is kind’ve a misrep. If was going to complain about post length, I’d be referencing Mastina. My issue was with the actual content per words. Mastina’s posts are long but they’re full of content.

Since I think it’s extremely obvious what my point actually was, I want to know why you’re framing it as me “complaining” about post length.

~I

shea I danced for you are you going to respond to that

sorry prolly not

damn wish I saw this before I changed my vote

Then why didn't you change your vote back?

I think scum imaginality would be shading people left and right from what I’ve seen with him so he gets a tow read.

Isn't this exactly what imaginality did to me :upside-down:

Informed post.

Milobird (notscience + Bell)
imaginality
Alexandrite (MegAzumarill+Gamma Emerald+Yume)
Whemestar
The Goat
chowchow (Anonymous Hydra)
mastina
Truth Innuendo Lies (Nancy Drew + Marashu + Auro)
Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens)
Ralts
SirCakez
Woolax (wooper + Micc)
Sharing the Brain Cell (esurio + Anonymous )
Firebringer

T3 make a PoE and we can intersect them?

cutting large post.

I still scumread the post.

Why? This is one of the posts I like the most in their ISO.

DWLEE IS PLAYING VERY STRONGLY TOWARDS HIS TOWN META

What's his town meta

See, Ralts asks about this, but ignores me when I talk about Gyphx. It's a change in approach and treatment. It looks like they want T3 to extoll the virtues of Dwlee town meta because they're: 1. Morbidly curious at how wrong they could be.
2. Want them to plant their feet if their buddy ever flips. But they don't directly remark or ask me questions on Gyphx because they don't want me to build a case on them. The difference in treatment is pretty stark.

Mastina, are you going to be generally active this game?

-Lies

-Bell

[Milobird]

Sorry I have not been here
I would rep out but it does not feel fair to leave at this stage

No need, no rush.
I just feel like I'm screaming into the aether. I think Mastina is the only one reading my posts.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I’m reading his posts too

[Milobird]

Just assume if it’s not signed it’s me. Bells been signing.

[Milobird]

(For reference, notty spent most of day one detailing the kyouko wagon and ended the day voting the same scum and also stating agreement with the wagon that did go through, and our vote was on the arguably stronger scum role)

[Milobird]

As an aside, note that the bear is saying I’m expanding Bells scumrange

Is there anyone alive in this game that WOULDNT be expanding their scumrange if scum?

[Milobird]

I'd respond to his giant long ass laundry list of a case

except it's literally just a bunch of cherry picked nonsense that he picked out of ralts iso that happened like 8 game days ago or something and he twisted it to make it sound like ralts is bad or w/e.

and the only reason he's doing this is because he knows I can't answer for Ralt's mindset since I'm not Ralts and also nobody remembers anything that went on during day 1 so he can just make up whatever bullshit he wants.

If only there was a way to look back at day one and see what actually happened, hmmmm

[Milobird]

I’m more addressing the whole “no one remembers what happened day one” aspect of your post

It’s easily readable, and discrepancies should be easy to point out if it’s manufactured

[Milobird]

nobody remembers anything that went on during day 1 so he can just make up whatever bullshit he wants.

Lying is easily proven wrong, particularly when day one is readable by everyone alive. Please show where bell lied. I’m not asking you to justify your predecessor. I’m asking you to provide sources for your grandstanding.

[Milobird]

Cmon Pooky, this should be a slam dunk for you.

Show us where Bell lied about Day one events.

[Milobird]

You said bell can make up whatever he wants, which would be a lie, no?

All I’m asking you to do is show us.

[Milobird]

So you’re just assuming it comes from scum lying rather than fact check to see if what he’s saying is true, and calling it lying in an attempt to grandstand and discredit.

Got it.

[Milobird]

But if we’re scum lying about day one, it should be pretty easy to go skim and point out where we are, no? Your argument is we have to be scum because the others are town. And thus must lie about day one in an attempt to kill you. All I’ve asked for this entire page is for you to point out exactly where we are lying, with evidence to back it up. That’s a simple task. Instead, you continue to grandstand and deflect from the question.

Cmon pooks, this is your chance to dunk us. We’re waiting.

Ninja-
Oh look, more discredits!

[Milobird]

All you’ve done is grandstand lol

[Milobird]

No, that last post was incorrect.

You’ve also discredited.

[Milobird]

why did you guys want to kill me on day 8 but need to solve for my aligment on day 9?

It’s almost like in MELO you owe it to the entire game to reset and consider all options instead of spend all your time buddying.

[Milobird]

I mean, at the end of the day as I’ve said repeatedly this is not the MELO I bring. There is zero reason for us to bring Cakez who has been paranoid of us all game, instead of Mala who would be sufficiently pocketed if I was scum. I also don’t think they really need a reset because 2/3 have hardly played in days.

The hyperbole about bell is a nice touch

[Milobird]

why did you guys want to kill me on day 8 but need to solve for my aligment on day 9?

Pooky, remember when I said there was stuff I was sort of flabbergasted you were saying because I didn't know where to begin.
One of those is this argument.

I'll lay it out.

1. I said I would kill both of you. If I solved for you then why wasn't I voting for you day 8? *I haven't actually read what you're specifically referring to* but obviously I didn't solve for you given I was going back and forth on you and mastina last day phase. I've also repeatedly said I was checking my corners. This hasn't actually changed, beyond starting to lean toward murdering you.
2.I will always ask the other two players to cross vote each other. There are a ton of benefits and almost no draws backs for me.
Such as: I don't have to argue with both players and can focus more on solving for the remaining player. The two players will change behaviors and will have to act out the realization that they're voting the remaining scum and then have to build a case to kill the other player. Which helps me, because I can try to see if they're coming off genuine or not.
3. I can literally always be wrong, because, ultimately, *I don't know who the scums are* this is a common refrain I make when someone asks me who is scum. I could be wrong. What would help me be less likely to be wrong? Change the state so that the two players are facing off, maybe they're good at playing in *this* game state, but are more awkward in *that game state*


-Bell

[Milobird]

Why do you keep spacing out your posts and texts. Are you trying to make your posts look bigger than they actually are

-Bell

[Milobird]

Uh, I don't remember voting for you.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I mean, if they all agree they would have killed us already, no?

Like here’s the thing Pooky

I genuinely don’t give a fuck where they vote because one of two things will happen.

I’ll read them the riot act for these godawful last three days of “play”

Or town will win and I’ll read them the riot act for the previous two days of “play”

But it’s been fairly obvious ive been checked out for days and I’m not exactly know to resurge as scum.

[Milobird]

Why would I pretend to forget who I was voting. You're acting goofy, your reasoning underneath leaves a lot to be desired. You're sharper when you're town. You're basically a blunt pencil here.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I’m still sitting here waiting for you to show the class where Bell lied about day one!

[Milobird]

is this refuge in amnesia?

Yes, through years of practice, I have mastered the ability to forgot that I'm scum and forget my role pm. This is why my posting is so close to my town game. Because I actually think I'm town. But in truth.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Like, you're basically arguing that I forgot because I needed to spend over 12 hours solving to convince people.
SOmething I would literaly never do because I'm terminally lazy.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Your argument suks.

[Milobird]

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

Talked it over.
Wanna kill Pooky and then try tomorrow if there is one.
I'm burnt out.

-Bell.

Oh there it is.
Would you like at that, I did vote you.
I guess I can't hesitate after that, once I vote someone I never change my mind or
waffle.
I'm not known for waffling.

-Bell

[Milobird]

The foundation of your arguments sucks. Hesitation, double checking, etc is a normal thing to do here.
It's not even slightly scummy.
You hesitate. So you making that argument here is wild.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Wait, that vote literally says I'm burnt out and I'm going to try tommorrow if there is one if Pooky isn't scum.

Like,
the fuck.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I pretty much did exactly what I said I was going to do, even though I entirely forgot about voting you.

Good job Bell. I appreciate your integrity.


-Bell

[Milobird]

Notty is telling me that you said I was making stuff up about day 1 in my recent posts.
But I've literally been quoting all of it, so wut.

Also, you don't have to actually acknowledge the case on Ralts from the perspective of Ralts. You need to come up with another explanation for the scum teams behavior and interactions, given their hesitation to engage with one another, ghow would you characterize each player and their interactions and posting style? Were they interacting with Mastina in a way that could be scum on scum?

Basically you need to break up the narrative about Gyphx, Woolax, Imaginality and Dwlee and their approach to the game.

-Bell

[Milobird]

It's cool, I probably won't be here tomorrow. I have no idea if it's thanksgiving tomorrow, but I'm spending it at the grandparents.

Q. Why don't you want to try to read Ralts, who is probably easier to read than noted scum player Pooks?
Also, I think Pooky can post now, so I'm ready to be harassed again.
Thanks for the break Pooky, I appreciated it.

-Bell

I feel like the Ralts stuff was so long ago that it won't be as helpful
plus I know Pooky a lot better

But if this were true, then why aren't you voting Pooky and why were you town reading him all game.

-Bell

[Milobird]

To my knowledge Pooky, tells strangers on the street about the time Petapan shot him when he was scum and went on to win the game. It's common knowledge.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Petapan was scum too*

-Bell

[Milobird]

There’s only one way to know for sure

…how do you feel about cap’n hook

[Milobird]

Did I mention that I have 9 days off of work which is why I'm spamming, or why I'm able to devote so much time to this,
I mean besides it being elo.
I feel like I did, but I want to mention that because I think Sircakez said it was weird or something that I was suddenly trying (it's actually not weird)

I do appreciate you bringing this up bc it explains it

despite me not posting I have been thinking about this game a lot and I feel myself slowly sliding towards a Pooky vote I think

Oh my god.
I won't lie I just started arguing with Pooky and didn't even read the last page.
This is awesome. You're awesome Sircakez.

...Inb4 it's Mastina.

-Bell

[Milobird]

It's kind of sad. if the reason town wins is because it's a natural law of the universe that neither Mastina or I would be alive if we were scum.

-Bell

[Milobird]

So, are you saying I was right twice.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I can keep going tomorrow.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Pretty confident mastina is just scum here.

Meta meta meta meta

Mastina could be scum cause she thinks I'm town

Mastina could be scum cause she thinks I'm town

Oh? Is that a read you’ve developed across multiple games?

Is that… meta?

Nope

What's your point
If I was scum emulating it then why would I even bring it up

because you think that's how town you would act?

i think i'm kinda not finding anymore stuff that's really readable without twisting my brain through 10 layers of interpretation so like, i'll drop the convo there if you're fine with it

second paragraph was about the back and forth with cake obv

Gypyx posted something early on that felt scummy, but I’m going to do a reread. Hyperskimming 35 pages didn’t give me much.

btw got any updates on that "something"?

What's your point
If I was scum emulating it then why would I even bring it up

because you think that's how town you would act?

i think i'm kinda not finding anymore stuff that's really readable without twisting my brain through 10 layers of interpretation so like, i'll drop the convo there if you're fine with it

okay

yeah mastina being absent is ugly
984 stirred my brain on that topic

What's your point
If I was scum emulating it then why would I even bring it up

because you think that's how town you would act?

i think i'm kinda not finding anymore stuff that's really readable without twisting my brain through 10 layers of interpretation so like, i'll drop the convo there if you're fine with it

okay

yeah mastina being absent is ugly
984 stirred my brain on that topic

isn't mastina always low activity though

pedit : stop pediting you chuckleheads

So ur reading T3 as town for doing things that scum are likely going to be seen as suspicious to scum players, dwlee

No, I'm explaining why I agree with t3. I think t3 is town here for thinking the same exact thing about shea's way of reading people here

My reads are motivation based

I disagree though. You're assigning motivation to things that you can't reasonably

know

the motivation of

Dwlee has moved up a pokebox

ok but given that its RVS and all wagons are going to be dumb why did you make that callout like you did? Further to the point, what did you hope to accomplish by calling it out like you did?

It seems to me that as someone who has been playing since 2004 you would know that frequently wagons start in RVS for basically no reason, are dumb, and then from the ashes of those wagons people actually start having more relevant opinions and that's how we move from noise to signal.

So like, what does town you hope to accomplish in this instance from specifically saying "x wagon is dumb."

Like, yes it is, that's the point. And I know you know this.

To discuss a specific example here, shea, I didn't take this reason for STD being scum seriously because I think your concept of assigning motivations is flawed here. You argue that town!STD shouldn't have much motivation to make that post which sure

maybe

, but that doesn't actually imply that scum!STD DOES have the motivation to make that post imo. I think that reading based on intent is 100% the way to go normally but I just don't agree with how you are assigning these intents which is why I made the analogy to vote hopping that people typically think is scummy

I actually explained why I thought there was potential scum motivation for doing that in another post in pretty great detail tbh so like maybe read the rest of the posts.

And I disagreed with that. The main thing I remember is that you think it's so STD can look like they're participating when they're not actually doing much but STD already had a bunch of posts in the thread. Like as scum they could just as easily have not made that post or made it. If STD was lurking around, made that post, then dipped sure but he wasn't, he was around.

Being at a computer really makes me say words better maybe I should do this more often

What do you think of my points about braincell being somewhat unfiltered for scum?

I dunno, you say unfiltered, I'd call them more transparent than anything. I think the posts follow a logical progression in thought process. I'm not paying a ton of attention lately but I don't get the wagon on this slot.

I read emotion better than anyone on the site, and it was kinda surprising to see them replace out at that point they did. I'd never townread a slot for replacing out, god knows. But I do like the posts when they were playing. And the frustration at being read for "tone" rings genuine, if a bit premature frustration-wise. If I made my guess, i'd assume this user has been run up the flagpole before for tone.

I'd lean town on this slot.

-k

Fire will become more readable with flips on the table, but a read on TIL would be nice.

Sorry about your mom :/

If anything, thoughts on the BrainCell and Gypyx wagons would be great skrew.

I want a picture

The folks on psyduck and friends need to get off and make better votes.

-Bell

Fire will become more readable with flips on the table

i don't think this statement has ever been true

I would like to second this.

-Bell

I just don't agree with how you are assigning these intents

Okay, but why are you choosing to argue over this instead of something game relevant.
Shea is correct mid-game is not usually the best time for genuine mafia play feedback.

-Bell

I'm vibing with that bell post quite a bit. And i know where my conclusion does on the scale of balance of potential motivation.

I have a lot of scum reads this game.

Thankfully Sircakez is easy to read today. I will be mad if he is scum this game.
and the ducks.
and maybe ralts.

-Bell

*snore*

Gyphx may or may not have the answer and revealed it by saying Mastina is just usually low activity. But it's hard when she wasn't really there at this point in the game. But even though she isn't there, other scum players are mentioning her. The scum teams approach to Mastina is a light touch. Bu I don't really see anything that screams partner yet. Unlike Imaginality and Dwlee. Though Sircakez felt it was evidence to the contrary, I don't agree, but aight.

Dwlee takes refuge in game criticism rather than fake hunting. I point this out. Shea looks there as well. I don't have the guts to do this with a partner. But eh. Dwlee takes what Notty says about Mastina and explicitly addresses it, but doesn't do anything with it. But he's open to the possibility. It reads *slightly* more like opportunism than "yeah, look, I'm saying this because way down the line you'll see this as anti-associative because I didn't defend her or ignore this" but only slightly.
Ralts decides to ask for a picture than post anything else.

-Bell

Notty comes in and defends Brain cell.

[Milobird]

Okay, but why are you choosing to argue over this instead of something game relevant.
Shea is correct mid-game is not usually the best time for genuine mafia play feedback.

-Bell

This is a silly question if you read what I was responding to in the first place

You're silly.

As the person who started brain celll wagon I like the gypyx wagon more

Why?

I find the gypyx wagon to be made up of townier people

Imaginality interested in how Wheme found the right answer, maybe. Or they're just faking it.

I can't read Mastina for shit on day one, just gonna call her town

I do have a flowchart for that, yaknow.

edit while reading further : yeah okay saw your answer to ralts, not a huge fan of admitting that you yourself are scummy but like i don't know how to play mafia so idk

I wasn't saying I was scummy, I was saying that I was aware that I was displaying the trait I'd expect that scum displayed but also acknowledging that I know it wouldn't be

only

scum displaying that trait.

I don't like Gypyx and Ralts jumping on mastina's comment about the people who see TSQ v STD as TvT being more likely scum than not.

I mean on the one hand I do think Gypyx's comment absolutely sucks.

On the other hand the Gypyx wagon gives off terrible vibes and feels like it fucking sucks, with scum latching onto it.

When I'm in a better mindset (hella tired right now, just reading to stay caught up, not really capable of good critical thinking), will be able to give that better thought.

Not Voting:

The Goat, mastina

MOD:

VOTE: SirCakez

I've not changed my vote once in the game; I should be on SirCakez

.

Goats entrance feels off to me so far. Complains about pages (frequent scum tactic when they're behind and need to say something) makes vague comment about the largest wagon maybe being scummy (how would you know? Maybe because buddies are talking about it in pt?)

Valid, tho I'd like to also say SleepyKrew did fairly similar so I'd be willing to yeet either of them.

Mastina, are you going to be generally active this game?

Active? Mostly--I'm starting a new job tomorrow, and League Worlds 2021 is going on right now, both of which will cut into my activity a little, but I

should

be able to be here fairly often and be fairly active overall. (I'm close to my limit in gaming, but while fatigue is a risk, I'm not exceeding the limit.)

Contributing? Well, not

tonight

(not in the headspace for it), but we'll have to see. Hopefully, with luck, yes, but potentially will lack if I am struggling to get a good town core.

I have a good scum core I feel, but not a good town core, so I've got better than nothing but not as much as I want to have.

I skimmed some of that list. There is in fact a "is Mastina angry" section.
They also talk about Chaos and Order in their reads and then update their reads like 5 minutes later, so they're consistently avoiding their own tells. But they're their own tells for a reason so *WIFOM loop* Still it's good to know that they're *ultra aware of themselves, which I totally didn't know already. I also liked that they addressed TSQ's paranoia of a better scumstina that had died years ago.

the one time i've seen scum mastina she said the most random things i don't know if that's the case with scum!mastina but it's definitely different from my (admittedly only one) example

I mean to be fair.

The difference between you and Shea is that you have experienced recent scumastina, where I can't scum worth a damn.

Shea has experienced old scumastina, where I was at my prime and fully capable of actually playing scum.

The difference between current scumastina and the scumastina of when I was in my prime is just as night/day as the difference between my towngame and my scumgame in that prime-scumastina is nigh-indistinguishable from my towngame (not quite, obviously, even at my prime there were clear scumastina markers because different alignments wanted to do different things and used different methods but it was surface-level at least visibly very similar requiring nuance to distinguish) but current scumastina is obvious as fuck.

That having been said.

I don't think I'm actually out of my current-scumastina range, so the strong townreads on me are a bit baffling. Yeah, I'm town, so yeah, the reads are accurate, but how the fuck are people thinking that I'm not being my lazy apathetic scum self here? I've not power-towned yet (I'll get there obviously, eventually, but I'm not there

right now

), so I actually don't understand why I look town to folks. I AM town, but if *I* don't think I look town as town, if *I* don't think I'm out of my scumrange (and that says something when I'm talking about not being out of my

current

scumrange), chances are, I'm not actually out of my scumrange soooo...I don't understand the townreads there.

i think i downplayed the "randomness." she literally quoted random posts and was like "Town." "Scum?" "Town!" "scum." to them it was bizarre.

I've got some bad news for ya.

My head hurts. I make posts like this early game sometimes, but not quite as overblown.

[quote="In post 1091, Kitty Trauma Team"I suddenly have a million questions about her claim and how it would relate to being targeted by my own ability because I'd REALLY hate to have to be the one to NAR that

Well if you were the first/only person to target me, I'd get a copy of your ability.

Granted, I haven't asked about success vs. attempt in terms of targeting me, didn't think of it until now, will do that after submitting this post. The role PM says 'targeting', which implies it doesn't need to succeed in order for me to copy it, but not every mod is as fond of strictly adhering to semantics as I am so the wording of targeting in spite of implying success isn't needed, may still require success, so need to ask about that.

I'm looking at the playerlist and honestly realizing I'd be forcing a read on like 75% of these players if I try to make a readslist
A lot of players are blending together While I empathize with this as it's true of me, too, I still think Cakez is scum here anyway.

[/quote]

i'm actually about to dump a readslist

When's this mixtape gonna drop?

A dash of opportunistic pressure because they do not like the current wagon.

Your good scum core is cakez crew and goat?
That's lackluster

That'd be lackluster if that was my scum core but thankfully it is not.

Milobird
Save the Dragons
Firebringer
Thestatusquo
Wisdom

Truth Innuendos Lies
Sharing the Brain Cell

WhemeStar
Kitty Trauma Team
Dwlee99
Ralts

Alexandrite
The Goat
Gypyx
chowchow
Woolax
SleepyKrew

imaginality

T3
SirCakez

Since then:
Kitty Trauma team has become more town.

Goat has become more scum;
Woolax is a little more scum;
SleepyKrew is more scum.

So my actual scum core is more like:

(locktown at least for D1)
Milobird
Save the Dragons
Firebringer
Thestatusquo
Wisdom

(almost locktown, is strongly town for D1)
Kitty Trauma Team
Sharing the Brain Cell
Truth Innuendos Lies

(various shades of ambivalence)
WhemeStar
Dwlee99
Ralts

(various shades of null)
Alexandrite
chowchow
Gypyx

(south of null by an undefined amount)
Woolax
imaginality
The Goat

(lean scum)
SleepyKrew

(lockscum)
T3
SirCakez

I realize that having only two lockscum isn't ideal and that my townreads aren't as sure as they should be, but I'm overall happy with having the scum

pool

be what it is;
{Woolax, imaginality, Goat, SleepyKrew, T3, SirCakez} is a group that I think should have at least 2 scum in it. Obviously, I'd hope for more, I'd think 2-4 in there total, but there should be a

minimum

of two scum in there.

I'm happy with a scum

pool

of six, with 2 of them being lockscum.

It's not where I'd

prefer

to be on D1, but I'm at least

content

with it.

Why is Firebringer lock town?

On the other hand the Gypyx wagon gives off terrible vibes and feels like it fucking sucks, with scum latching onto it.

When I'm in a better mindset (hella tired right now, just reading to stay caught up, not really capable of good critical thinking), will be able to give that better thought.

This is an interesting callout; the only person you have south of null voting that is currently voting for Gypyx is imaginality vs. 3 who are voting for Brain Cell.

This could be Ralts lining up Mastina way down the line for a miselim. From an informed perspective a scum ralts knows that: All the dudes on the brain cell wagon, if it goes through, are gunna look bad. Actually this post of kind of bonkers and the perspective is weird. Who looks at what a player is reading each player as and comparing it to the wagons each player is on? It sort of screams informed.

liking kuri's posts, esp the part about sk

I had the same thought.

Sliding up to T3.

[Milobird]

Mastina defends Gyphx because she does not like the wagon based off of vibes.
Ralts notes that she's only scum reading one dude on the Gyphx wagon, which is in direction contradiction to the "vibes" statement.

In retrospect, I'm not sure if this is informed from Ralts or if they just noted that hey, they're saying X, but Y contradicts that. They also expressed some interest in a Gyphx elim, so it makes sense for them to push Mastina here.
But the question is, why are they looking that many steps ahead. Are they confident that Gyphx is going to flip scum enough to analyze it to the point of noticing that contradiction or not? It's a lot of mental work. Would they articulate themselves that well? if they didn't like what Mastina said I could see them pushing mastina without a good reason for doing so. Or only hand waving it as town. I can't
I can't tell tbh. *throws up hands at this section*

I kind of think it could be either.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Something about the word choice from Ralts in 1121 bugs me a lot. But I can't put my beak on it.

-Bell

[Milobird]

How much time is left on this day phase?
I'm excited to see if Pooky decides to shoot me as a joke.

[Milobird]

Did I already talk about how I don't care if we settle this now or later. But that I would like to state for the record that I don't think Firebringer would ever lie about the result and imaginality already flipped godfather so this isn't truly important.

I'm not going to sign my posts anymore, this is Bell. Deal with it.

[Milobird]

Yes, Gyphx, my teammate.
How dare you.

Sigh

[Milobird]

I believe I was horribly clear that I just didn't give a shit and was coasting and would start trying again as we got closer.
I made like 5 or 6 posts on it. So the argument that I'm only trying now is exactly what I said I was going to do repeatedly, so it's a terrible argument.
I'm a known coaster that doesn't try until the end of the game. So the argument is just kind of confusing.
I mean I'm not the worst coaster, by far. Some people even think my town game is pretty sufficient and don't even realize I'm not really trying or thinking seriously until end game.
But there you go.

[Milobird]

My trajectory is clear as day. The argument is uninspired.

[Milobird]

This continues to be wrong.

[Milobird]

there's literally 0 incentive to solve when you r in a 1v1

you are only doing it performatively to try to get townread

There's plenty of incentive to solve, we're not in a 1v1 and even if we were, I'd like to be right for the right reasons rather than be right for the wrong ones or just because I got lucky on a dice roll.

[Milobird]

Like if you're scum, my ego is safe and I will not be miserable regardless if Sircakez and Mastina vote wrong.
There's value in that.

[Milobird]

...No? Mastina isn't confirmed, so there's merit in it. I'm well aware that saying this stuff can piss them off and cause them to retaliate vote me. Still gunna do it.

[Milobird]

I still don't follow how town you comes to the conclusion that I'm harder to read than Mastina tho.
Like we're both equally terrible scum. So. Arguably I'm worse scum actually. It's one of the reasons I think you're scum Pooky, I don't think either of us have looked scummy this game from a bird's eye view.
I'm aware Notty disagreed, but like, yeah.

[Milobird]

Funnily enough your accuracy and propensity to be on scum wagons is a point against you because the rest of us look like clowns in comparison and towns tend to look more clownish as a result of their ignorance of who is and isn't scum.

e.g., Koba pushing at us and then 180'ing on to you because they sorted us.

[Milobird]

I’m aware he was wrong a lot but his gall and shamelessness pointed to town him IMO. I knew he likes to think of himself as invincible or something with an indistinguishable town versus scum game, but tbh, I didn’t believe him because, well, look at him. I think you mostly just got into that slap fight because you knew he needed to go and it was largely reactionary. Your response to him I mean. Though this stuff is half remembered since I haven’t read earlier stuff for awhile.

Doot.

[Milobird]

No, it's the "I wanna look cool as scum" tell.
It works a lot more than It should.

[Milobird]

I have no idea why you think my scum game has improved a single millimeter, the more likely argument is just that you can't backtrack and you're stuck.
Also, congratulations I go back to work tomorrow morning.

But yeah, I'm not satisfied with this as my elo play, but I can't do more. I wish I could.
The rest of the town just has to bring this across the finish line. I can't do the focused assessment stuff more, even though there's a ton there. I wish I had infinite time. It would, well I could have been a lot more productive if I had just committed to doing more.

Oh well.

[Milobird]

Milo why did you abandon your mastina push? because I said I wouldn't vote her?

A) if she is scum I can rest peacefully knowing that this game isn’t my fault
B) Pookys push on us is actually awful (still waiting for him to provide examples instead of general statements)
C) Pooky literally hasn’t reevaluated once, which should tell you that he came into melo with the express decision to 1v1 off what everyone else said yesterday. He literally went and checked mastina posting frequency but hasn’t tried to point out EXACTLY where we are BSing.

[Milobird]

D) all he’s done is try to kiss up and play good little soldier to the conftown while I genuinely don’t give a fuck which should tell you all you need to know

[Milobird]

I’d argue scum bell is infinitely lazier than pooks. We know I can put up the WIM as scum if I actually cared about the game

And again, where’s mala. I have zero reason to kill her off when I did and leave the guy who’s been pocketed by pooky for days alive?

Like pookys whole case is im coaching bell into a breakout game… where I failed to adequately set up a good mylo by kills?

[Milobird]

Yes because scum make a habit of killing the people with them in their top tier townreads

Uh huh

[Milobird]

Weren’t you the one hooting and hollering 48 hours ago how yesterday everyone wanted us and koba dead so just listen? Now it’s “we set up melo well”.

Pick one or the other, bear

[Milobird]

TIL (yes a cop claim that had multiple shots all used)
Gamma (blocker who blocked me)
Mala

Just off the top of my head

[Milobird]

Stopper not blocker, my b

[Milobird]

Cakez just so you know pooks managed to use a one shot neighborizer to snow me and Bork after we dunked both his buddies in Mountain Dew

That was just 8 pages. Not 69.

[Milobird]

Mala not screaming to the hills for my death is enough sign. Also on revisiting you’re right, I overestimated TIL and for that I concede

[Milobird]

Like 100% the Mala hydra would have been my only concern this game as scum.

[Milobird]

I said what I said.

[Milobird]

If there’s someone this game who would be able to read me with minimal effort, it’s her.

[Milobird]

She would have sussed me out days ago.

[Milobird]

There are tons of arguments for why I'm still alive and they can go either way so I'm just kind of leaving it as null

I mean bottom line Cakez is “who has the wider scumrange, Pooky or bell”

[Milobird]

Still would be able to read me off the cuff better than rand

[Milobird]

Milo why did you abandon your mastina push? because I said I wouldn't vote her?

Notty thought it was Mastina, I thought it was Pooky. Notty thinks it’s probably pooky due to the lack of examination. Pooky has called what I’m doing a song and dance, but to be honest if he can’t read real solving after a billion years of mafia or even internally doubt himself before pushing as town than I dunno what he was learning about. It’s just more likely he’s not examining because he’s informed.

The argument that Pooky is making that he just wants everyone to have fun is a point for shooting gyphx, I’ve never made the argument that pooky shot gyphx without permission. If anything they would have discussed it and gyphx would have encouraged the shot in their pt. Pretty sure I already said this actually.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Back to work as they say as they say.

[Milobird]

It should be noted before I go that Mastina has little reason to suspect or question pooky as scum. It would be easier for her just to let pooky lose the game for town. But that’s sort of conjecture. Just a random thought, but I sort of feel like I’m conf biasing there maybe.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Not trying to

@Titus, Cakez- this next question is going to be super blunt.

When has town EVER listened to you so readily without question on something you want in a game?

[Milobird]

You realize part of pookys case is I helped bell graduate from being bad scum lol

My point was- Pooky is convinced we are scum, yet spent most of the day saying he wanted to no elim purely off of what you guys had talked about earlier. Isn’t that strange that he just outright agreed? Like he outright agreed there, despite his unwavering conviction that last scum is bell and I

[Milobird]

My points were about yesterday, not today.

Funny how that works isn’t it!

[Milobird]

also if I'm mafia vig, I can just get Cakes to shoot someone else and coach Gypyx into towning it up.

There's literally no way you believe this, lol.

-Bell

[Milobird]

it worked pretty well in Tenet dude.

Gypyx tap danced all over you

Okay.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Titus are we still sticking to the no Elim plan.
I’m readyish to vote.

[Milobird]

Hi this is bell again.

[Milobird]

I don't know who that is or what that means

[Milobird]

I personally subscribe to the Gyphx asked pooky to shoot him hypothesis.
But it would be funny if they big brain goofed.

-Bell

[Milobird]

He was giving you a hint bro.

[Milobird]

Just town bin us. Cabd says i can’t make more than 50 posts per day phase as scum, he’s wrong I can totally do 51, but he has a point.

[Milobird]

how so?

Even I think what I just said was dumb. So never mind. :/
I don’t really think the observation that ralt’s is scummy absolves him.
There was a tell called the Amish tell which was basically that scum tend to read their own predecessor’s posts because they need to know their own standing while town don’t really care.
It wasn’t very accurate.

[Milobird]

pretty much everything today is not really readable because everyone is turned up to eleven right now
that's why I've been wanting to do this reread for so long

This is extremely wrong headed. Plenty of people spew town at the end when before they were barely readable.
Titus I think even makes a habit of fake panicking as scum in elo to capture that feeling.

[Milobird]

Like, if you wanna read our shit posts go ahead, but my most recent posts I would argue are actually the most revealing.
It would be interesting to see a player reread my iso though, I’ve never had a player really do that. So I won’t really discourage it beyond saying what I said.

Just know it’s in pooky’s interest for you to do what you just said as his argument this day phase is basically “plz ignore Town Bell becoming town plasma, it’s a trick”

[Milobird]

I don’t think the way pooky worded it even reveals that he doesn’t know he replaced Ralts.
He lol’d in there which reveals he probably knew he replaced them.

But Pooky can also share his intent and I don’t think he’d lie as scum to that one.

Pooky, did you know you replaced ralts after you made that neighborhood post?

Also, didn’t ralts make a post in the neighborhood. Which pooky would have noticed?

[Milobird]

The mod makes an announcement.
Ralfs posted once in your neighborhood.

Phone auto correcting.
So you’re going with you didn’t know and we’re actually arguing for ralt’s to be shot before changing your mind?

[Milobird]

Why would we be reluctant to bus woolax when we’re bussing gyphx.

[Milobird]

Actually I did mention dwlee, and I pointed out he was opening up a play style critique in the middle of a mafia game which tsq latched into and made them suspect delete more.

[Milobird]

The mod makes an announcement.
Ralfs posted once in your neighborhood.

Phone auto correcting.
So you’re going with you didn’t know and we’re actually arguing for ralt’s to be shot before changing your mind?

ralts is a very forgettable name lol

You trying to sell this is very dishonest. Based on the wording I strongly suspect you knew you repped Ralt’s and are just saying this now because it’s easier to let Cakez make this mistake.

[Milobird]

why would i even lie about this dude

Because it absolves you of knowing your positioning which sircakez is correct that you would likely know or be more aware as scum.

[Milobird]

Aight, good night folks.
Well done. 2 down 3 to go.

LMAO isn't congratulating the vig a classic scum tell?

…no? I always cheerlead and dunk on the scum when one dies.

[Milobird]

why would i even lie about this dude

Because it absolves you of knowing your positioning which sircakez is correct that you would likely know or be more aware as scum.

what positioning r u even talking about

Where you stand on the suspicion totem pole.

[Milobird]

I gotta do work now. *shakes fist*
I already made the argument that I would be less accurate as town than scum. Us misplacing in rvs when we don’t know who the scum are is not a bad look.

[Milobird]

even disregarding your misplaced pushes your interactions with flipped scum look bad

Nope. Since I’m town all interactions I have with scum are by definition townie.
You just have to look at it the right way. But I gotta go to work now.

If you want a list of responses to particular interactions lmk and I’ll respond later today.

[Milobird]

…from the guy who’s said he’s going to catch up for a month?

Fuck out of here

[Milobird]

like this townblock was decent but the scum are just totally absent from your reads period
it's like you were leaving yourself open to bus them but didn't want to draw attention to them
that's what I would do

You’ve played with me multiple times and should know I townhunt, but sure.

[Milobird]

Why would we be reluctant to bus woolax when we’re bussing gyphx.

woolax had a better role? you thought woolax was more savable? Gypyx wanted to die? (lol)
idk

Uhhhh no, the copy role is definitely stronger than Woolax?

[Milobird]

You saying we did nothing yesterday,

Given I choose to townhunt it shouldn’t be a surprise that I mention my townreads more? I also think I do a fairly decent job of engaging my buddies typically?

And the main reason I think that role is stronger is it lets you move The Godfather around. I could be wrong and this can be corrected, but I feel like given the invest presence this game that seems busted.

[Milobird]

Bloodstained

Warehouse 13 i did too imo, but I hardbussed yll and got dunked for it. So, probably not the strategy I’d like to use!

[Milobird]

I don’t have time my iso there was long af too and I have finals this week too. Tonight’s my only night off from the gym to work so I prob can’t do anything too in depth while I’m trying to study

[Milobird]

I’m so sick of this ducking game I literally don’t care who you kill just pick someone

[Milobird]

We’ve wasted so much time waiting for you guys to catch up and I get real life is a thing bc I’m drowning in it but I would like to be free of this shit

[Milobird]

Uh I wanna town win and currently Sircakez appears to not be doing that. I would like to be in a position in which that is not the case.
Also 3 hours of dental work and 1130 dollars later I am here.
Woot.

-Bell

[Milobird]

You can just bow out Notty. Take a break you played most of the game.
If I can't bring this town over the finish line, no one can.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I'll tell you if we won when we we're finished.

*rolls up sleeves*

I'm out of solve juice.

But I can explain Most of the stuff.
I don't think I really ignored Dwlee, any more than I usually ignore him. I typically ignore dwlee because they don't say much that catches my interest as either alignment. He's coasted right past me as scum and town actually. I think I only ever had a real conversation with him the first game I played with him in which he seemed a lot try hardier than every subsequent game I've played with them. Anyway the fact the only time I really mentioned Dwlee (or the two times I mentioned them) it was explicitly to shade them and endorse that they should die. It should be noted that I don't know Nancy that well as a player in terms of tactics. I don't know if they culd gambit or not. Once I found that they probably would never lie about a cop guilty as either alignment, I felt comfortable killing hi and wanted to share that with the world because, what else am I gunna say?

Also, I tend to think I'm on the more infrequent vote hoppers or rather, it's pretty rare for me to vote people in general. Sometimes I don't vote anyone at all and I tend to be in the "not voting category"
Not saying it's rare for me to vote, but I don't always just vote someone.
Also, if I'm basically saying that the guilty is probably legit, someone else is going to vote them. I'm putting a foot down and saying "yeah, get them" and I don't have to vote to demonstrate that nor is it a mystery that if the weather changed I would put my foot down and start giving people a hard time for not voting a guiltied dude.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I'm triggered by multiple question marks in a row Sircakez. Just one is enough.

-Bell

[Milobird]

????

Scum regardless of role pm.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Dare I attempt to start a Milobird wagon?

I mean, you can

I’ve consistently been on the right side of history this game though.

EARLY GAME CAKEZ WERE YOU ON TO SOMETHING????

Nope.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Please don't associate me with that quick hammer.
I don't endorse quick hammers ever. I can be quite obnoxious about it in fact and repeatedly ask people to claim just because it's info. I would even do that as scum because it's just objectively the right thing to do.
-Bell

[Milobird]

Imaginality was a strange one, they hit the right amount of content and seemed motivated. I never really felt like I had to engage them because they seemed self-motivated. It probably doesn't help that they were town reading me and that usually gets them a pass until later in the game when it becomes suspicious when they don't go into detail. I don't recall seeing anything that really sparked me the whole game on their noise, nor could I spot a fake claim if you hit me over the head with it. I have no idea why I wasn't really present during that elim. But the most likely explanation is that I simply had no idea what was going on and was busy with something. As a reminder I do work all day.
I think if you look there are very few players in a game that engage everyone, especially in a large theme. For example, hardly anyone engaged Ralts. Probably because they weren't trying to be engaged with people.

-Bell

[Milobird]

This isn't really the type of stuff I would be talking about if I were scum btw. It hardly helps my case, but I'm telling you the truth. So if you can't recognize the truth that's on ya.
I am not annoyed at Titus for not really participating because I imagine she is going through difficulties and I should be sensitive to that, but I would have liked if they had said just once that this was Bell's town game.

Then again I don't know if Titus knows how to read me or has ever really made any sense in regards to reading me. Which is only fair since I can say that me trying to read her has been an up and down rollercoaster. Except I try to kill her more than she has tried to kill me.

-Bell

[Milobird]

The quick hammer was me and something I’m on record doing in other games but that was the first time it flipped town

I was feeling myself

[Milobird]

Hey, we reached one thousand posts in a single game.

We're a mafiascum birb now.

Also, extremely unlikely to have happened under a scum Bell hydra.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Oh I'm aware you're on record doing it bro.
But it's still dumb.

-Bell