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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:48 am

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After thinking on it a bit more, I'm willing to let Erg0 go for now.
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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:11 am

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With 1 more hour in the morning, Doctors are debating whether to hand over another dose to Vals.

"It seemed to stop a takeover"
"Will it work all the time?"
"I don't know"
"Do we even know if that was what stopped the takeover?"
"No, it just happened to be right around the same time. It could have been one of several things."
"Let's wait a bit more."
"How long? Evening?"
"Sure, unless anything major complications occur"

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With 7 sectors still moving, it will take the coordinated progress of 4 to finalize takeover and extermination.

Erg0 - 2(Voodo, maxwellhouse)
Voodo - 1(Mariyta)

Not Voting - 4(Erg0,Raging Rabbit, Timeater, imaginality)
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:47 am

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All right, fine, I'll claim. I'm vanilla.

This Erg0 fiasco is complicated. Imagin, would it hurt the town to tell us the medicine's effects?

But if we lynch Erg0 and he's town, then we'll know that Mari is lying and lynch her tomorrow.
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:20 am

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I am really shocked that Timeater would redirect maxwellhouse's medicine. It could have cost us our cop. It seems like a pretty scummy thing to do.

On the other hand, the fact that Mariyta wasn't killed (and that she claims to have an inno on Timeater) means that the only way Timeater can be scum is if Mariyta is also scum. Hmm... I think an Erg0 lynch may still be the best way to test Mariyta, with Mariyta hammering if Erg0 so if Erg0 is an unkillable townie then she dies.

Re. the medicine... perhaps the best thing to do is to say that the medicine not only worked on me last night, but it
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:24 am

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Hrm, hrm hrm. I'm really starting to think Mariyta is scum. I mean what kind of cop would just ditch his/her result (that they claim has been unaffected, and made a big effort to clear herself before the result, if it was town) Erg0 has been shifty though, which is troublesome. Like I said, I redirected maxwell because I thought it was my doing on n1 that made coug die (one of the only plausible explanations for Erg0 being scum - if you can think of another explanation, tell me) Why would I bother coming forward and telling you what I did right now if I did not think it was the right course of action? Also, why would the scum target Mariyta if they thought maxwell would be protecting her? And why is maxwell still alive when he claimed doc like 3 turns ago? What sense does that make? This game just makes no sense and I'm completely boggled.
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:27 am

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Kind of annoyed that Voodo and Rabbit basically claim vanilla with very little effort. Both very weak claims. We still have a good number of people, I mean we could still go with the Erg0 lynch. Erg0 said he had "something else to say" then conviently dropped off the map.

Mariyta could be BSing the entire cop claim. No other sources have cleared her. Kudos if thats the case.
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:41 am

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I don't think Erg0's dropped off the map, it's been less than a day since he said that.
Like I said, I redirected maxwell because I thought it was my doing on n1 that made coug die
So you thought max was scum?


What I meant with Mariyta was, if you are scum, you knew you redirected max last night, so you'd know that Mariyta was
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The question of why max is still alive is a good one... I guess maybe scum were hoping that he'd be called into question? Until I got confirmation of receiving medicine last night there was no proof he was really a doctor.
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:50 am

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Yes I thought Max was scum. I dont know WHY he is still alive. That makes very little sense to me unless A: He's scum B: I redirected Mariyta's NK on him n2 (and explain the random Yoko death) C: It was a scum oversight. Despite all this, you practically confirm him because you got the "medicine".

And there is a hole in your little theory about me being scum. Assuming I was scum, and I told you I redirected maxwell (lol) so that Mariyta could be vulnerable, WHY IS MARIYTA STILL ALIVE?
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:06 am

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Argh. Read what I said. I said the only way that it would make sense for you to be scum is
if Mariyta is also scum
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:14 am

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But I'm not! Can you consider it being plausible that Mariyta is scum AND I'M NOT? I gave Mariyta an in when I said, you better have investigated me, otherwise I would be really suspicious. And guess what. "Timeater isn't diseased" - she already know this. Saying it would get me off her back and get the focus concentrated on Erg0 or whoever. Like me remind you -again- at her willingness to just abandoned the whole Erg0 situation and vote for Voodo. What kind of cop does that? Doesnt add up.
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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:21 am

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If Mariyta is scum, and I'm scum, why would I be essentially turning my back on my scum partner and be constantly accusing her of being scum? What good scum partner does that? (and I have been from the start, really) Think about it for a moment.
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:21 am

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Can you consider it being plausible that Mariyta is scum AND I'M NOT?
Yes. Jeez, chill out. If X then Y != If Y then X. It's possible for Mariyta to be scum and you not. Mari and Rabbit or Mari and Voodo are possible pairings in my eyes if Mari is scum and you're not.
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:28 am

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I'm gonna go ahead and go for the Mariyta vote right now. Whoever wants to follow me is welcome to do so. My main reasons for doing this is her willingness to abandon her claim on Erg0 so quickly (something I think no real cop would do) and the fact while she took my bait and said I wasn't diseased when I gave her an in to do so. Just too convient a move for a scummer to pull off.

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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:35 am

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And yea Imagin, Rabbit and Mariyta are probably the last two scum if there are two more scum. Because it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that Erg0 is scum anymore.
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:52 pm

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You really are an idiot. "You better have investigated me, or you're scum." "Oh my god, you investigated me; you're scum." Real good case you have there.

You said it yourself. I do have my result, but Rabbit made some valid points and it doesn't make a lot of sense for Erg0 to be scum. I'm not pardoning Erg0, but it makes more sense to look elsewhere for the time being. If you want to push for a cop lynch on such a weak case, more power to you, but you're wrong.

Voodoo, you won't know if I'm lying or not. My result may have been messed with twice. We know I was redirected, but we don't know if the medicine did anything to my result or not. The only way to really know is to lynch me, and then you lose the cop. I guess that's a decision the rest of the town will have to make. My vote stays on Voodoo for now.
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:58 pm

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Uh mod, personal attacks? I dont appreciate being called an idiot.
- Really, personal attacks just make you look desperate.

Anyways. You say "you'd rather look elsewhere" for the time being, but honestly, if you have a positive result, where else is there to look?
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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:01 pm

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If Erg0's unlynchability is permanent, we have absolutely nothing to lose by lynching him (with our preferred lynch target placing the hammer vote), as it would confirm Erg0 without a doubt (no way would scum be permanently unlynchable, and even if there's a scum governor, governors can't usually pardon the same player twice).

Erg0, you really should say if your unlynchability is permanent. Also curious to hear whatever else it is that you were holding back from saying earlier.
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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:08 pm

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Timeater wrote: What purpose does this post serve other than to pump your own epeen while belittling newer players?
You're right. Personal attacks are wrong. I apologize.


If the rest of the town feels lynching Erg0 is in its best interest, I'm all for it. I just feel Rabbit made some decent cases (which, consequently, Timeater agreed with...) and I'm not 100% sure we can trust my result.
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:13 pm

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"What purpose does this post serve other than to pump your own epeen while belittling newer players?" Thats alot different than flat out calling someone an idiot. I mean if you're a true cop, and you stick to your guns, and you dont think your result has been comprimised, why despite any arguements, would you flip-flop? That is something I do not understand.

Its entirely possible that Erg0 IS scum and was somehow given survivability powers night 1 when I redirected maxwell.

Imagin, is the medicine you received similar at all to what has happened with Erg0? Also, I would like to ask, received maxwell's medicine night 1? ( a question I should have asked a long time ago )
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:21 pm

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Timeater wrote:I mean if you're a true cop, and you stick to your guns, and you dont think your result has been comprimised, why despite any arguements, would you flip-flop?
I wrote:I just feel Rabbit made some decent cases (which, consequently, Timeater agreed with...) and I'm not 100% sure we can trust my result.
I also wrote wrote:My result may have been messed with twice. We know I was redirected, but we don't know if the medicine did anything to my result or not.
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:26 pm

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Ehhhh thats weak. Pretty weak.
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:00 pm

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Imagin, is the medicine you received similar at all to what has happened with Erg0?
I was told (paraphrasing here) that I received a medicine which has made me invincible for a specified period. That period may or may not include the next night phase (I'm not saying which; if scum want to kill me they'll have to take a chance).

I don't think the medicine I received would have protected Erg0 from the day 3 lynch if he received it night 1 (when you redirect maxwellhouse). You didn't redirect maxwellhouse night 2 so Erg0 couldn't have got the night 2 medicine. Also from what maxwellhouse says he was trying different medicines each night.

I find it interesting that Mariyta did not receive a message when maxwellhouse sent her medicine (or at least didn't mention it if she did), and that no one has claimed to have received the night 1 medicine you redirected. It's unusual for a doctor's target to be told they've been protected, so perhaps it's only the particular one he sent me which informs its recipient they've been protected.
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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:28 pm

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imagin, what role did you claim again?

Agreed that Erg0 should tell us if his lynch protection is permenant.

imagin - your statement that Mari has to be scum for TE to be is false, scum can either have a way to compromise her result (I still think TE may screw up results as well) or simply know she's not credible since she got a guilty on Erg0 who (assuming he's not scum) they know is innocent. Thus it's good for them to keep her around so that she could provide the town with more false results and perhaps get herself lynched to top. I actually think the opposite of TE, Mari's latest posts are giving me a strong town vibe. I think scum would pretend to be more confident.

The way TE screwed up with our two power roles two nights in a row is almost too scummy for words, I think he should die today and in the off chance he isn't scum we at least get ourselves rid of a disturbance.
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:30 pm

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Also,
FOS Voodo
. He's been too quiet and passive for too long a time, possibly scum trying to stay off the radar.
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:25 pm

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hmm. that's weird imagin, i didn't know you got that either. that is weird. did anyone else get a message about my medicine? i'm assuming not though because no one else claimed it.

well, the thing is, i have medicine a, medicine b, medicine c, medicine d. i don't know what ANY of them do, what their true names are, if they are night or day powered, if they are even good or bad. they could be anything. i only have these 4, and after they are used, i have no more. that's why i don't consider myself a "doc," because it's limited and it could be either good OR bad.

i don't really know why i'm not killed either. the only thing i can think about is for them to blame my medicine of killing someone? or something. i dunno.

yeah, i'd like voodo to speak a bit more also.

i don't think mari is scum. though she isn't positive about her guilty result and voting with it, she isn't voting on an innocent either, so she's not being hypocritical.

timeater has been cleared(ish?), though he is pushing for votes on pretty much everyone but himself lol.

imaginality, i think is pretty much town since he admitted to getting a medicine. i don't think he would want to clear someone if he was scum.

erg0, i don't like his claim at all still. it seems farfetched to me... but i don't want to be the one to hammer. =x i'm staying on his vote.

raging rabbit has been defending erg0 throughout this whole thing, which i find suspicious. he has admitted that some things seem weird, but he still feels erg0 is innocent. i agree with his feelings about timeater screwing up results again by redirecting everyone's actions. =/
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