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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:29 am
by Cabd
With 9 players alive, it will take 5 votes to lynch or no lynch.
meganeta_thegreat (2): Just Sheep Us, The Fox and the Hound
CarbonFiber (1): Magenta_thegreat
The Fox and the Hound (1): Red Gyarados
Titan (1): Titan
Not Voting (4): Breakfast With Stalin, CarbonFiber, Penguin_Alien, AngryPidgeon
(expired on 2014-06-12 20:31:43)
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:31 am
by CarbonFiber
I should head to bed as well. It is 4:30 AM where I am. I don't know what I am doing playing mafia at this time.
Pedit: (or what Cabd is doing)
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:19 am
by Breakfast With Sandy
Well, this got sewn up fast.
I guess Ffery was right about RG.
No, Tammy, there's no way in fuck you get lynched. Not one shot away from lylo, and I don't get where this "extra kill" shit is coming from. Something got buried. But if scum-p_a = extra kill because Tammy's alive, we solve the problem by lynching p_a. Otherwise we lynch between Fox and RG for a guaranteed scum kill either today or tomorrow.
After what just happened here in Moncton, I could use some scumblood.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:23 am
by The Fox and the Hound
I don't think this makes even the slightest bit of difference to the situation, but technically speaking we don't know why our role didn't work. Blocked was just an assumption on my part.
My first inclination in situations like this, for some reason, is usually to figure out how both parties can be town. It doesn't feel possible here, though... Last time I had a situation like this I mishandled it terribly.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:52 am
by magenta_thegreat
In post 8042, CarbonFiber wrote:I won't discount Magenta being town and it would make sense for Nacho to die quietly if that's the case. Perhaps it is best to not rush into a lynch then and consider all options. What are your reads on me and JSU at this point?
this is absolute shit
and yes, we protect target from a kill as well, there is nothing stating otherwise
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:56 am
by magenta_thegreat
In post 7923, magenta_thegreat wrote: In post 7846, Just Sheep Us wrote:Also, do you think it's a coincidence that Nacho directed the day-1 lynch onto Orc, of all the lurkers?
No?
I didn't think so either.
VOTE: Magenta
and this makes no sense? Orc governed and had the lynch between us and some other person that had gotten lynched. I don't recall having read that happening
In post 7924, magenta_thegreat wrote:VOTE: CF
aside having me as scum, he isn't even voting me (or, if he is, didn't do so before or during that T/S list of his) and completely disregarded the fact that one of his town reads, JSU, had confirmed AP as town when they apparently don't get a result on scum
lets not forget the existence of these, because at this point this completely breaks apart the reason CF has on me and is a pretty big thing to have ignored.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:19 pm
by CarbonFiber
Magenta, so you are basically claiming modified jailkeeper since you roleblock and protect your target. In addition to that, you also prevent other player's roles from working on your target.
I find it really OP and it is very similar to Mac's role as well.
You also haven't really responded to the case on you and it is worrying that you are not really addressing my concerns beyond quoting the case and voting me for not voting you when you know based on NY169 that I am a slow voter. I'd be shocked if you are town here.
VOTE: magenta_thegreat
Brian, Beli, let's do this first and get back to the others later.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:31 pm
by Red Gyarados
No.
If you're town and truly believed I could be town, you'd get your head out of your ass and realize I just CC'ed Fox. You've pretty much lost most of the towncred I've give you this game with the way you're trying to just sweep my CC under the rug.
I told you, we're not sorting my shit out in any possible lylo situation.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:39 pm
by CarbonFiber
You said earlier that you were willing to compromise. What changed now? (Except that I called you out on compromising?)
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:40 pm
by AngryPidgeon
Why are you suddenly so sure that Magenta is a mislynch?
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:41 pm
by Red Gyarados
In post 7987, Red Gyarados wrote:Also, I straight up CC'ed Fox's night action. Why is it one of AP/RG/Fox instead of one of RG/Fox?
What the fuck are you talking about Falcon? I brought up my CC way before you called me out.
And it doesn't change the fact I'm CC'ing Fox.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:42 pm
by Red Gyarados
When did I say Magenta is a mislynch? I'm saying we can't flip Magenta without resolving my CC first. End of story. Get your head out of your ass if town, plox.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:43 pm
by CarbonFiber
Whoa, calm down, Brian. This is what I was referring to:
In post 7995, Red Gyarados wrote: In post 7993, CarbonFiber wrote:Magenta case in a nutshell:
1) Mara was fooled in a grand fashion by Nacho in NY169: Mara's EPIC XD Failure to read Nacho where she persistently townread Nacho and was left alive late game as a confirmed town Mason. Tammy, Pieguyn and I were scumreading him in that same game and Mara never thought to interact with any of us to refine her read.
2) Mara lacked paranoia of Nacho and seems too sure about her read (basically what Tammy said earlier).
3) Nacho pushing Orc lynch D1 as a feel-good lynch when we now know that Orc was a D1-only governor feels really slimy (basically Tammy fucking called it as Nacho bussing Orc). AP will say I am buddying with Tammy again but meh. If this flips scum as I think it will, there's only one person I can really credit for this lynch so yeah.
4) Magenta roleblocking Stalin is seriously scum motivated. Although tbf, I don't know why they would claim it. They could have just shut up and done nothing. But then again, everyone was suspicious of Magenta so they might have thought WIFOM would help, I don't know. But their night actions still don't make sense from a town POV.
This is pretty convincing.
But if I give you Mara, I want Fox's head
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:43 pm
by Red Gyarados
Yeah? And you've gone out of your way to twist it in a way so that you can ignore my CC and try to lynch outside of it.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:44 pm
by AngryPidgeon
In post 8061, Red Gyarados wrote:When did I say Magenta is a mislynch? I'm saying we can't flip Magenta without resolving my CC first. End of story. Get your head out of your ass if town, plox.
Ya ok, but that isn't what you said before.
And you are still trying to argue that someone is lying about a role that they are now confirmed to have. And the argument that they are claimign a scum buddies role for them is shit. I dont know what is going on here.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:48 pm
by AngryPidgeon
Where the hell is foxhound. Can the people who actually give a shit about this situation have a power hour and figure out what exactly is going down? Its like Fox is mostly apathetic to this all going down, RG is convinced their role works a certain way that seems unlikely, and I have no idea what CF thinks of RG's whole spheal right now, but Im not going to deal with what happens if we lynch Fox and they are town unless we are beyond any doubt that Rg is just making this shit up in that case.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:51 pm
by Just Sheep Us
Okay, I'm sober now.
Just a heads up – I graduate on Sunday, family's in town yada yada. Participation until Monday is gonna be meh at best. Dunno what Desp is up to – we resync'd a few days ago and are on the same page, but I haven't gotten into his head about the RG/FoxHound situation.
I have a few thoughts in my head about what's going on, but I'd rather hold off on ending the day phase until after I can run a full breakdown of position/interest given all possible alignment combinations.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:52 pm
by AngryPidgeon
I'd like to hear your off the cuff thoughts right now even if you dont like them yet.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:54 pm
by CarbonFiber
In post 8065, AngryPidgeon wrote:Where the hell is foxhound. Can the people who actually give a shit about this situation have a power hour and figure out what exactly is going down? Its like Fox is mostly apathetic to this all going down, RG is convinced their role works a certain way that seems unlikely, and I have no idea what CF thinks of RG's whole spheal right now, but Im not going to deal with what happens if we lynch Fox and they are town unless we are beyond any doubt that Rg is just making this shit up in that case.
I'm here and I've been trying to get to the bottom of this for quite a few rl days now so.
I am not sure what the scum motivation for RG would be if they are scum to hard cc another player a day away from LYLO.
But then I try to look at it from a town POV, and I just can't follow the reasoning of them saying that one of Fox's scumbuddies is a flavor cop. But okay, even if I buy that town-Brian can come up with that reasoning (using my reaction to Rancid as a baseline and realizing that people will go to great lengths to push when they have role results incriminating a target), I still don't get the initial hesitation and the sudden certainty about Fox being scum.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:55 pm
by Red Gyarados
In post 8064, AngryPidgeon wrote: In post 8061, Red Gyarados wrote:When did I say Magenta is a mislynch? I'm saying we can't flip Magenta without resolving my CC first. End of story. Get your head out of your ass if town, plox.
Ya ok, but that isn't what you said before.
And you are still trying to argue that someone is lying about a role that they are now confirmed to have. And the argument that they are claimign a scum buddies role for them is shit. I dont know what is going on here.
In post 8065, AngryPidgeon wrote:Where the hell is foxhound. Can the people who actually give a shit about this situation have a power hour and figure out what exactly is going down? Its like Fox is mostly apathetic to this all going down, RG is convinced their role works a certain way that seems unlikely, and I have no idea what CF thinks of RG's whole spheal right now, but Im not going to deal with what happens if we lynch Fox and they are town unless we are beyond any doubt that Rg is just making this shit up in that case.
Look, not every person in this game can be scum. So I'm just going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt here.
But I've already reconfirmed with Cabd that as long as my target takes a night action and MY action is successful, it doesn't matter what happens to their role. It doesn't matter if they're roleblocked or what. As long as they attempt a night action, which they've claimed to have done, I get to copy their action. They didn't take an action N3. They're lying.
Both our claims can't coexist. So unless you can think of some reason why I'm wrong about this (I don't think you will), we're lynching Fox/RG. If you lynch me, I'm going to flip town and you WILL lynch Fox.
Yes, they know I'm an Artist. So fucking what? It doesn't make them town. And they don't have any other information that would confirm their role anyways. Why they're claiming an action on every night is beyond me, but they're lying scum.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:58 pm
by CarbonFiber
The above post feels very town though.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:05 pm
by Just Sheep Us
Off the cuff: Scum have daytalk. This would be very easy to coordinate in a scum/scum situation.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:05 pm
by Yulia Jue
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:05 pm
by AngryPidgeon
In post 7940, The Fox and the Hound wrote:N1: Yggdra Union- evolving fonic JOAT (no idea why fonic isn't in their flip)
N2: RG- Artist (no, I have no idea what that is, that's why we're shitty)
Ya, I just doubt they are lying though? Their tidbit about Yggdra sounds really genuine and we have now confirmed that they knew RG's rolename. Rg is claiming to have failed on them...the night that they apparently had their role not work. And the plausibility of them claiming something incriminating when a buddy flips is.. ??? That would only make sense if that buddy were like JSU (maybe?) or Tammy. Still.
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:06 pm
by Just Sheep Us
In post 8068, CarbonFiber wrote:I am not sure what the scum motivation for RG would be if they are scum to hard cc another player a day away from LYLO.
Coast in 5p and maybe 3p LyLo. It was what I tried to set up in AoT with faking getting RB'd by Pasch.