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In post 8047, petapan wrote:so really i don't blame LLD for calling me scum with skitter because if you look outside LLD/DB/DW, i'm one of the only people who makes much sense as her teammate

I'm trying to parse this. Does this mean you can see her as scum with one or more of LLD, Dandelion or us, or that you can't see her as scum with anyone else either?

In post 8047, petapan wrote:felt like we were held hostage unaccountably to a plan that really amounted to not much and said little.

like this basically. if it actually amounted to something i wouldn't care as much but it, well, hasn't. and i feel like wiht all of those great minds (TM) working on this together, things should have come of it if all involved were town, but it hasn't, so it makes me feel like things are being scum-manipulated in some way

In post 8047, petapan wrote:so like, if you want me to get on your side, pitch me a worldview, try to give me something that makes sense. convince me. maybe i'm horribly wrong and just writing something off way too easily. but if you disagree i wanna know why

and the "why's" for saying much that's coming out of that hood is what's missing ...

wow i missed quite a bit during work

In post 8050, Deacon Blues wrote:

In post 8047, petapan wrote:so really i don't blame LLD for calling me scum with skitter because if you look outside LLD/DB/DW, i'm one of the only people who makes much sense as her teammate

I'm trying to parse this. Does this mean you can see her as scum with one or more of LLD, Dandelion or us, or that you can't see her as scum with anyone else either?

i haven't ruled it out but i haven't thought about it enough, and this "is skitter being bussed" question would be a much harder one. she reads townie to me but i'm always afraid of people who take my side and back me up

Bottom line, I'm not voting Dandelion or LLD today.

Spiffeh's play this game prior to turnstiling looked like his town play in recent games, especially day 1. Today kinda feels like a stripped down, snarkier version of his early play in the other thread. If he's town I feel bad about dragging him over here. I've scanned the pooky vs FL scum game and didn't come away with much in the way of points of parallel. I'm meh about whether he's the kind of player where meta is actually that useful, though. Maybe someone could convince me he's scum with a great argument.

I go back and forth on FB but his interactions with skitter feel to me like he's town.

I'm basically trusting bork (and you since you agree with bork) on mwb.

My unvotes are on A50 and Skitter.

I thought Pooky was easy to spell...

In post 8055, Deacon Blues wrote:Bottom line, I'm not voting Dandelion or LLD today.

Spiffeh's play this game prior to turnstiling looked like his town play in recent games, especially day 1. Today kinda feels like a stripped down, snarkier version of his early play in the other thread. If he's town I feel bad about dragging him over here. I've scanned the pooky vs FL scum game and didn't come away with much in the way of points of parallel. I'm meh about whether he's the kind of player where meta is actually that useful, though. Maybe someone could convince me he's scum with a great argument.

I go back and forth on FB but his interactions with skitter feel to me like he's town.

I'm basically trusting bork (and you since you agree with bork) on mwb.

My unvotes are on A50 and Skitter.

that doesn't answer me in any satisfactory way whatsoever

in fact i'd call it a dodge

@Deacon: This is me not giving a rat's fart anymore.

Yet; here's a little reminder: I am the only living "active" investigative/informative on this game. FB is a Cop who works in the other thread. skitter is a Watcher who works in the other thread. (Somebody correct me if I made a mistake as I'm improvising from a 52+ y.o. memory)

I personally wouldn't want to lim me if I was in your shoes, but you do you. This is also why I'm finding Spiffeh's push on me all game long pretty weird, and now LLD's call to get rid of one of myself or skitter.

I do realize role =/= alignment. so I am not even arguing my own alignment. Yet again, if you do suspect me that much I could always be leashed, especially since I don't even get my own results (unless you think I'm scum with Annie; in which case I really have nothing more to say to you)

@FB: You have not responded to my 7959, but it's too late now, as the answer is implied above. You just don't lim your only active informative on the day before the timestreams merge )which would mean I will get my own results)

i didn't ask you to vote your pals. i asked you to be open and communicative in conveying your reasoning, the only point you have done so is for your spiffeh read. otherwise you failed to address anything i was actually asking and bluntly repeated statements like a robot.

how many pages in your hood that that's the best you can explain yourself?

In post 8057, petapan wrote:

In post 8055, Deacon Blues wrote:Bottom line, I'm not voting Dandelion or LLD today.

Spiffeh's play this game prior to turnstiling looked like his town play in recent games, especially day 1. Today kinda feels like a stripped down, snarkier version of his early play in the other thread. If he's town I feel bad about dragging him over here. I've scanned the pooky vs FL scum game and didn't come away with much in the way of points of parallel. I'm meh about whether he's the kind of player where meta is actually that useful, though. Maybe someone could convince me he's scum with a great argument.

I go back and forth on FB but his interactions with skitter feel to me like he's town.

I'm basically trusting bork (and you since you agree with bork) on mwb.

My unvotes are on A50 and Skitter.

that doesn't answer me in any satisfactory way whatsoever

I don't have an answer to your concern. I'm trying to work through this game the way I almost always do. townread/poe.

I don't know who skitter is scum with if she's scum. Is she WKing town-A50? Is she WKing scum-A50?

If we were in the same timeline with Bell, that's who I'd probably be voting, unless somehow a lot more direct interaction changed my mind about him.

Here's a tldr (in case someone's wondering): Mechanically speaking; I, skitter & FB should be off the table for today. Let's wait and see what happens when we are all put in the same thread. I also am still the #1 NK candidate here because -if I'm understanding the mechanics right- both skitter & FB still need to be turnstiled for their roles to work after the merge.

Did FB make another role claim and I missed it? He retracted his day 1 claim.

In post 8062, Deacon Blues wrote:If we were in the same timeline with Bell, that's who I'd probably be voting,

Not to be a nag; but this is also sub-optimal from a mechanical PoV. Your "preferred lims" all fall into the category of "more beneficial in the foreseen future".

In post 8064, Deacon Blues wrote:Did FB make another role claim and I missed it? He retracted his day 1 claim.

I have no idea. I just had him down as a Forwards Cop eversince

In post 8062, Deacon Blues wrote:I don't have an answer to your concern. I'm trying to work through this game the way I almost always do. townread/poe.

I don't know who skitter is scum with if she's scum. Is she WKing town-A50? Is she WKing scum-A50?

If we were in the same timeline with Bell, that's who I'd probably be voting, unless somehow a lot more direct interaction changed my mind about him.

okay but i gave anti-alignment reads for skitter on 3 of the other 8 people who started in this thread, take me out, and do you see why i start to get concerned? i do not mind if you think the reasons for seeing people as unpaired is not but if i am looking at someone and having a hard time seeing potential partners i'm not going to want to vote them. you should recognize me having used this reasoning before.

In post 8066, Almost50 wrote:

In post 8064, Deacon Blues wrote:Did FB make another role claim and I missed it? He retracted his day 1 claim.

I have no idea. I just had him down as a Forwards Cop eversince

Fix your algorithm, then.

can an outside party, possibly one in the other thread, tell me if my writing is so poor that what i was asking was unclear?

In post 8067, petapan wrote:

In post 8062, Deacon Blues wrote:I don't have an answer to your concern. I'm trying to work through this game the way I almost always do. townread/poe.

I don't know who skitter is scum with if she's scum. Is she WKing town-A50? Is she WKing scum-A50?

If we were in the same timeline with Bell, that's who I'd probably be voting, unless somehow a lot more direct interaction changed my mind about him.

okay but i gave anti-alignment reads for skitter on 3 of the other 8 people who started in this thread, take me out, and do you see why i start to get concerned? i do not mind if you think the reasons for seeing people as unpaired is not

valid

but if i am looking at someone and having a hard time seeing potential partners i'm not going to want to vote them. you should recognize me having used this reasoning before.

I wish there were an appropriate punctuation mark to put behind "yeah" to this. I'm not trying to convince you I'm right and I'm not trying to get you to vote with me.

I think your stance on this makes internal sense, and maybe external sense as well.

and you are one of my townreads where I feel like I can actually get something useful in terms of improving my own reads by interacting with you.

that's where you stand with me. I didn't include you in the "not voting today" list because I'm talking to you about other players, but that's where you are.

maybe we had really different purposes in trying to engage here?

In post 8070, Deacon Blues wrote:

In post 8067, petapan wrote:

In post 8062, Deacon Blues wrote:I don't have an answer to your concern. I'm trying to work through this game the way I almost always do. townread/poe.

I don't know who skitter is scum with if she's scum. Is she WKing town-A50? Is she WKing scum-A50?

If we were in the same timeline with Bell, that's who I'd probably be voting, unless somehow a lot more direct interaction changed my mind about him.

okay but i gave anti-alignment reads for skitter on 3 of the other 8 people who started in this thread, take me out, and do you see why i start to get concerned? i do not mind if you think the reasons for seeing people as unpaired is not

valid

but if i am looking at someone and having a hard time seeing potential partners i'm not going to want to vote them. you should recognize me having used this reasoning before.

I wish there were an appropriate punctuation mark to put behind "yeah" to this. I'm not trying to convince you I'm right and I'm not trying to get you to vote with me.

I think your stance on this makes internal sense, and maybe external sense as well.

and you are one of my townreads where I feel like I can actually get something useful in terms of improving my own reads by interacting with you.

that's where you stand with me. I didn't include you in the "not voting today" list because I'm talking to you about other players, but that's where you are.

Can I ask why you think that reasoning that amounts to essentially doing pre-flip associatives from a player who apparently gets "super paranoid and uncertain" in endgame/lategame makes any sense as a reasoning we should be nodding along with?

In post 7959, Almost50 wrote:

In post 7941, Firebringer wrote:A50 flip might just help us finally put to bed Spiffeh?

This happens to be your scummiest post of the game. You wanna guess why that is?

im bad at guessing games.

i want to say mr orange in the kitchen with the lead pipe

In post 8059, Almost50 wrote:You just don't lim your only active informative on the day before the timestreams merge )which would mean I will get my own results)

barking up the wrong tree. i care the least about role claims in this game.

also yes, i retracted my cop claim. shocking apparently no one. am i that predictable?