That is a big reason behind me feeling so strongly about his alignment with 474. Him not remembering the scum game that he lost because he messed up because of posting in both a scum PT and a neighborhood, in a game where I already knew that he was in a hood felt really ++ town.
There has not been a lot of interest happening in our hood tbh. We are still on page 3 lol.
Spoiler: play by play
-Bit of small talk
-Me explaining my page 1 Mala town read.
-Him agreeing generally, but saying Mala might to it so not sold on it.
-Brief convo about an early scum ping I had on pooky - him asking questions about pooky as a player.
-Him calling out the early Ceph wagon as weird, me agreeing
-Me starting to scum read Rad early day 1
- Him telling me that he is town reading Rad.
-Us both saying that Frog is sus.
- Convo about C/G's Posting restriction, and if we believe it
- Me guessing that there is a Jin/Sun hood.
We start taking turns complaining about how many posts there are.
-He tells me he now thinks that Frog is really likely to be town.
- I say my scum read softened, but I am still leaning scum .
(In the main thread, Malcolm starts getting votes)
-I ask him his thoughts on claiming to be my neighbor.
-He says that if I want to claim, he does not have an issue with it, but does not see why we would.
-I talk about my case on Dunn re:the masons claim
-He says he thinks that Dunn is town despite my case
More of us complaining about the number of pages.
{day end}
I make a case for scum frog.
I get radio silence for long enough that I start wondering if I was wrong, and he is scum, and he is killing me, so he is not trying to post anymore. (Like most of the night phase tbh)
He finally comes back, and tells me that it was a good case, and that he would look back over frog
My thoughts: Lean Town
474 thoughts still feel right to me.
I liked his frogster progression, especially given the flip there.
I liked him not jumping at the prospect for me to claim our hood, and further explain why I town read him while under pressure.
You mean Titus? Gamma and me wanted no lim. I felt both were town and we gave scum a free miselim.
DoctorDrapion said Cephrir would be a high info flip.
Their drawn conclusions from that flip are bad. esp. Because most of those interactions or info would be around my approach to Cephrir which was pretty distinct.
and hten they just didn't budge on it. They got exactly 0% further into solving the game from that flip. Unless they're scum. In which case they got exactly 0% further into solving the game that flip.
It was a high info flip, would have been more so if they flipped wolf but eh.
Least now I know I was on the wrong track and now along with the Frog flip I think it’s quite possible it was indeed TvTvT on those wagons and all Cephrir did was challenge one of the town wagons.
So chances are and judging from position, wolves were in a very comfortable spot all of Day 1.
However, there is still a high chance Math can be a wolf, which means he was the only wolf in an unfavourable position in day 1 and got out of it.
Unfortunately Cephrir made the wrong choice and should have picked the player who me and frog were trying to push “Math” although if even Math is town then wolves probably won’t pushed at all and living very comfortable.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:23 pm
by Bell
Yes, you have precisely located how the scum team is probably feeling.
The next step:
Who was feeling that way?
*Stares directly at math*
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:24 pm
by MathBlade
Sees evidence Math is town
Conclusion “But Math could be scum”
Me *blinks*
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:26 pm
by MathBlade
In post 8077, Bell wrote:Yes, you have precisely located how the scum team is probably feeling.
The next step:
Who was feeling that way?
*Stares directly at math*
??
We don’t know how the scum team is feeling as we don’t know who they are.
As I said we couldn’t get wagons going yesterday.
People were pushing their own little theories and not talking
I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.
I was wagoned Corwin wasn’t.
Reason I was a threat to scum
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:26 pm
by ProfessorDrapion
In post 7959, Cytosine and Guanine wrote:I'd support a Professor wagon, but I would need to check what Gaunine's thoughts are before committing to a vote.
~Cytosine
You can't as if being wrong is wolfy, I think I justified myself very clearly on why I did what I did.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:27 pm
by Bell
Math, you gave so little of a shit that you voted Taly, vote for a no lim and then voted for Cephirir all while saying you didn't really give a shit and had run out of sppons.
In post 7979, T-Bone wrote:Did anything happen in the PT to reaffirm the read?
It was better, but no. They just picked up a bit in posting.
If you believe in town slips (I don't), they forgot Roden claimed mason.
It'd be funny if Bella and Taly are both town that forgot or didn't see Roden claim.
I think Bella is wolf that didn't see it thus I was hoping no one would mention about her posts so she could respond to the one I gave to them so I can get a better read on them.
Taly is def town, either forgot about them being the mason or forgot about masons entirely.
In post 7979, T-Bone wrote:Did anything happen in the PT to reaffirm the read?
It was better, but no. They just picked up a bit in posting.
If you believe in town slips (I don't), they forgot Roden claimed mason.
It'd be funny if Bella and Taly are both town that forgot or didn't see Roden claim.
I think Bella is wolf that didn't see it thus I was hoping no one would mention about her posts so she could respond to the one I gave to them so I can get a better read on them.
Taly is def town, either forgot about them being the mason or forgot about masons entirely.
This is stupid
There’s 5 scum
Surely scum would keep a log of who claims what
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:35 pm
by ProfessorDrapion
In post 7995, Bell wrote:To be frank if you don't have some revelation after Dunn, Frog, and Ceph flipped town.
I really doubt that flipping BBT will help you solve the game.
I mean I get Math's point.
Following dead townie's reads is a good play.
But that's all the case really has RN, they are null for me and not a wolf read so unless I get more of a case on them I'm Prob ably not voting there, probably.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:35 pm
by MathBlade
Let’s just skip to the wagon disperse part and have actual productive conversations about BBT and/or other possible scum slots.
In post 7979, T-Bone wrote:Did anything happen in the PT to reaffirm the read?
It was better, but no. They just picked up a bit in posting.
If you believe in town slips (I don't), they forgot Roden claimed mason.
It'd be funny if Bella and Taly are both town that forgot or didn't see Roden claim.
I think Bella is wolf that didn't see it thus I was hoping no one would mention about her posts so she could respond to the one I gave to them so I can get a better read on them.
Taly is def town, either forgot about them being the mason or forgot about masons entirely.
This is stupid
There’s 5 scum
Surely scum would keep a log of who claims what
Doesn't mean they can't be a wolf, I wanna see
How
they respond.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:37 pm
by ProfessorDrapion
In post 8093, MathBlade wrote:Let’s just skip to the wagon disperse part and have actual productive conversations about BBT and/or other possible scum slots.
In post 7995, Bell wrote:To be frank if you don't have some revelation after Dunn, Frog, and Ceph flipped town.
I really doubt that flipping BBT will help you solve the game.
I mean I get Math's point.
Following dead townie's reads is a good play.
But that's all the case really has RN, they are null for me and not a wolf read so unless I get more of a case on them I'm Prob ably not voting there, probably.
I think BBT is pretty scummy
Anyone not posting in the shitshow yesterday deserves a look considering flips
In post 8093, MathBlade wrote:Let’s just skip to the wagon disperse part and have actual productive conversations about BBT and/or other possible scum slots.
Sure, why do you find them wolfy?
My number one rule of good scum is when town is miselimming themselves don’t fuck it up.
So that means we need to figure out who was quiet as the yellers are mostly flipped and green.
In post 8077, Bell wrote:Yes, you have precisely located how the scum team is probably feeling.
The next step:
Who was feeling that way?
*Stares directly at math*
??
We don’t know how the scum team is feeling as we don’t know who they are.
As I said we couldn’t get wagons going yesterday.
People were pushing their own little theories and not talking
I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.
I was wagoned Corwin wasn’t.
Reason I was a threat to scum
You just did IOA. Except the part where you said " I was wagoned because the scum feared me and my ability to get people to work together. They needed to break cohesion therefore I was pushed."
But your main push yesterday was me which you stated as primarily done not because you personaly thought I was scum but because they did, you were basically acting as a proxy and didn't point the finger at anybody on your own.
Except for today whee you voted BBT for the following case: "I'm sheeping town. They aren't very active" putting you again in the blameless position.
This is an incredulously bad summary of how your wagon happened.
I don’t think so
I tried to get people to work together
People voted me
I countered the naked repetition of same reasons
Then wagon dispersed
Now today it’s the same thing
I try to start discussion about BBT
Naked votes on me
Already debunked reasons
Leading to repetition
This
feels
revisionist
I did not feel like you were making an effort to be The Person Calling For More Team Work and Less Heroes, until after your wagon came into existence (and possibly even after it dispersed, but I need to look back at your iso to see)