In post 8198, Firebringer wrote:never put a whole lot of effort into mafia expecting a better outcome. Do it because u want to. from my experience +more effort doesn't mean +better outcome
yup that's exactly why im taking a break lmao
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:03 am
by DkKoba
this isn't the only recent game that its happened in
In post 8176, SirCakez wrote:Who cares? It's over and done with all we can do is do better next time there's no point beating people with sticks about it and acting all holier than thou
I may not have the
best
attitude but I at least ID’d the irony of how things went down and can kinda stomach the result a bit better because of that
I made one mistake. It happens. There’s more people who fucked up than me!
Honestly I think you figuring out the mech behind the N3 nightkill / Perish Song was a real stroke of genius.
Nobody in the dead PT figured his out until Imaginality basically outted it.
I was very surprised you could remember something from that far back and put it together like that.
Marashu did in our discord pt.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:38 pm
by mastina
This game's ending is the epitome of "not mad…just disappointed.".
(Well, except for the Wisdom lim. There's no disappointment there, only rage.)
I don't have much to say, but I do have ~3 comments to make when home. (2 on D5, one to SirCakez.)
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:48 pm
by the worst
Mafia is a lot of heartache sometimes. You played well - stay well and enjoy your break.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:30 pm
by Cheetory6
lurked the entire game like some kind of nerd.
I generally felt like it was pooky at the end, but also thought that he was playing really well/convincingly.
looked like a really tough decision either way.
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:59 pm
by esuriospiritus
I watched the whollllllle game expecting that, any day now, someone's flip would explain the wacky mechanic that resulted in ssbm flipping a different pokemon from the one I received, as well as
how in the heck
chowchow 'stole' my pokemon.
and the whole dang time, it was due to mod error. lmaooooooooo RIP me.
anyway, ggs and sorry I couldn't take the pressure. every once in a long while I get this idea into my head like, "hmm, maybe this time I will enjoy mafia!" because I swear I
want
to. I just never actually do.
except spectating. that's fine, lol.
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:26 am
by kuribo
Hey Wisdom, you were an investigative who pushed me for not posting while my mom was on her deathbed, knowing damn well you were softing a guilty.
I've been waiting two months to really lay into you and tell you what I think of you.
But all in all, you're just a bad person. Not the player. A bad person.
That's all I have to say to you. Ever.
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:29 am
by kuribo
Wisdom, I hope that when you find yourself on your deathbed, you are utterly alone and your cries for relief from pain go unanswered.
From here on, in the words of my dearly departed mom, I curse you this day to always get what you deserve from karma. Nothing more. Nothing less. I curse you to experience the lack of empathy that you showed me.
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:46 am
by schadd_
In post 8116, Something_Smart wrote:We ended up randomizing whether the hood would be T/T or T/S (and balancing around that, obviously) so that outguessing the mod was not possible.
this is a sort of thing people should do more often imo
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:43 am
by Wisdom
In post 8210, kuribo wrote:Hey Wisdom, you were an investigative who pushed me for not posting while my mom was on her deathbed, knowing damn well you were softing a guilty.
I've been waiting two months to really lay into you and tell you what I think of you.
But all in all, you're just a bad person. Not the player. A bad person.
That's all I have to say to you. Ever.
I did not push you for not posting. You misunderstood.
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:07 pm
by mastina
In post 8206, mastina wrote:(Well, except for the Wisdom lim. There's no disappointment there, only rage.)
Btw some extra context that might help you understand why I was so infuriated with that:
I got the D5 start PM.
I was reading, and logged in to read while online.
The game thread was
open
when I logged in to read the game.
You may note I did not actually get to post on D5.
But I was around while the thread was open on D5.
You know why that happened?
Because I was reading the thread at the time the lock happened.
The thread was literally open, I saw a Wisdom vote, hit 'quote' on it to try and remind folks for why Wisdom was town...
...And got 'you cannot post in a locked thread'.
I wondered if the mods had locked the thread due to mod error, a need for a replacement, a ban, etc. Because why else would the thread be locked so soon after D5 began and when I haven't even gotten the chance to post?
...And then I kept reading.
And reading.
And saw the posts pile up doing the thing I attempted to press the quote button and write a post to stop.
I was literally
less than one hour
late to stopping the Wisdom mislim.
If I had gotten the chance to post, which I was
less than one hour too late to do
, you all would've gotten me to remind you of why Wisdom was town and should be the last possible player to eliminate.
Literally if people had waited so much as ~45 minutes, the Wisdom hammer doesn't go through.
And with the Wisdom hammer not going through, the game ends on D5 once he comes in and claims.
...You can understand, now, why my reaction was as strong as it was on D6, yes?
(I tend to take VERY poorly to eliminations being pushed through when I am not around. Especially when they are on town. ESPECIALLY when I am only a couple of hours away from being around. ESPECIALLY if I have strong reason to believe the slot is town.)
In post 8206, mastina wrote:(Well, except for the Wisdom lim. There's no disappointment there, only rage.)
Btw some extra context that might help you understand why I was so infuriated with that:
I got the D5 start PM.
I was reading, and logged in to read while online.
The game thread was
open
when I logged in to read the game.
You may note I did not actually get to post on D5.
But I was around while the thread was open on D5.
You know why that happened?
Because I was reading the thread at the time the lock happened.
The thread was literally open, I saw a Wisdom vote, hit 'quote' on it to try and remind folks for why Wisdom was town...
...And got 'you cannot post in a locked thread'.
I wondered if the mods had locked the thread due to mod error, a need for a replacement, a ban, etc. Because why else would the thread be locked so soon after D5 began and when I haven't even gotten the chance to post?
...And then I kept reading.
And reading.
And saw the posts pile up doing the thing I attempted to press the quote button and write a post to stop.
I was literally
less than one hour
late to stopping the Wisdom mislim.
If I had gotten the chance to post, which I was
less than one hour too late to do
, you all would've gotten me to remind you of why Wisdom was town and should be the last possible player to eliminate.
Literally if people had waited so much as ~45 minutes, the Wisdom hammer doesn't go through.
And with the Wisdom hammer not going through, the game ends on D5 once he comes in and claims.
...You can understand, now, why my reaction was as strong as it was on D6, yes?
(I tend to take VERY poorly to eliminations being pushed through when I am not around. Especially when they are on town. ESPECIALLY when I am only a couple of hours away from being around. ESPECIALLY if I have strong reason to believe the slot is town.)
(for extra context, I had rushed straight home from work in order to come directly to the game to post. D5 started while I was at work, at 6 pm. I was busy with work, so I either couldn't check the thread or checked it and didn't see an issue because Wisdom votes hadn't happened yet. It wasn't until page 186 that the Wisdom votes started to pile on. This was the page I was reading when I tried to quote a post and found the thread locked. The hammer came through as I was finishing closing up and about to start my drive home, and I arrived home at about 8:30. When the hammer came in at 7:39. There was no Wisdom wagon until 6:30. Meaning that the wagon, basically start to finish, took one hour. One hour, that I was busy in.)
Also, I just want to put it on the record--
NEVER FORGET.
Do more than just take it to heart:
Burn this game into your very souls.
For literally EVERY game you EVER play in the future.
NEVER. FORGET.
Always. ALWAYS. Remember this game, and remember the outcome of it. And remember one thing about it:
It ended in a scum win on D10.
When it would've ended on D5 in a town win, by allowing for the proper due process that you by default give in 99% of your games. And there's a reason you give that due process in 99% of your games. There's a reason that you allow for players to claim before you ramrod an elimination through on them.
And this game is why.
So NEVER FORGET.
Whenever you have a thought of "we don't need to wait". Remember what not waiting did to this game.
Whenever you have a thought of "we can end the game right now". Remember where that thought led this game.
Whenever you have a thought of "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS". Remember where that bloodlust got you this game.
Whenever you are tempted to lolhammer. Remember what lolhammering cost us in this game. (Literally everything.)
Whenever you have a thought of "we don't need to wait for a claim". Remember what waiting for a claim would've given you this game, and what not waiting cost you this game.
Whenever you see a player suggest any of the above. Point them to this game, and remember, remind them, of why due process exists.
Whenever you see a lack of caution, where caution is being thrown to the wind: intervene, remembering this game, and what throwing caution to the wind resulted in.
I do not fault players for having made this mistake for the first time in their mafiascum careers. It happens to everyone at least once at some point. They get arrogant, they get ahead of themselves, they think that they can just sweep the scum up and that they've got the game on wrap, so the normal rules need not apply.
So I do not fault the voters for having made the mistake in this game.
But make no mistake:
I WILL fault you for it in every. future. game. You and I ever play in.
And so should YOU.
You should not allow any of you seven to repeat the mistake made in this game.
Because, again:
NEVER. FORGET.
I'm dead serious: burn the outcome of this game, scum win on D10, into your soul. And remember. Always remember. Why that happened. It's not your fault. But it's a reminder that in the future if you repeat the mistake, it WILL be your fault. So never let it be your fault in the future, by never forgetting.
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:52 pm
by SleepyKrew
In post 1, May and Brendan wrote:If the deadline is reached without a majority the elimination will be enforced through plurality.
was really hoping someone would try to sneak in a vote at the very end of D9
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:29 am
by SirCakez
The problem was people got it into their heads that we just couldn't miss after nailing Dwlee and imaginality and having so many spare mislims that we could just kill everyone. I was guilty of that myself.
In post 8206, mastina wrote:(Well, except for the Wisdom lim. There's no disappointment there, only rage.)
Btw some extra context that might help you understand why I was so infuriated with that:
I got the D5 start PM.
I was reading, and logged in to read while online.
The game thread was
open
when I logged in to read the game.
You may note I did not actually get to post on D5.
But I was around while the thread was open on D5.
You know why that happened?
Because I was reading the thread at the time the lock happened.
The thread was literally open, I saw a Wisdom vote, hit 'quote' on it to try and remind folks for why Wisdom was town...
...And got 'you cannot post in a locked thread'.
I wondered if the mods had locked the thread due to mod error, a need for a replacement, a ban, etc. Because why else would the thread be locked so soon after D5 began and when I haven't even gotten the chance to post?
...And then I kept reading.
And reading.
And saw the posts pile up doing the thing I attempted to press the quote button and write a post to stop.
I was literally
less than one hour
late to stopping the Wisdom mislim.
If I had gotten the chance to post, which I was
less than one hour too late to do
, you all would've gotten me to remind you of why Wisdom was town and should be the last possible player to eliminate.
Literally if people had waited so much as ~45 minutes, the Wisdom hammer doesn't go through.
And with the Wisdom hammer not going through, the game ends on D5 once he comes in and claims.
...You can understand, now, why my reaction was as strong as it was on D6, yes?
(I tend to take VERY poorly to eliminations being pushed through when I am not around. Especially when they are on town. ESPECIALLY when I am only a couple of hours away from being around. ESPECIALLY if I have strong reason to believe the slot is town.)
And I had a literal inno on Wisdom but even had I not died, i still would have been too late because I received the news of both our death and Wisdom’s simultaneously.
In post 8206, mastina wrote:(Well, except for the Wisdom lim. There's no disappointment there, only rage.)
Btw some extra context that might help you understand why I was so infuriated with that:
I got the D5 start PM.
I was reading, and logged in to read while online.
The game thread was
open
when I logged in to read the game.
You may note I did not actually get to post on D5.
But I was around while the thread was open on D5.
You know why that happened?
Because I was reading the thread at the time the lock happened.
The thread was literally open, I saw a Wisdom vote, hit 'quote' on it to try and remind folks for why Wisdom was town...
...And got 'you cannot post in a locked thread'.
I wondered if the mods had locked the thread due to mod error, a need for a replacement, a ban, etc. Because why else would the thread be locked so soon after D5 began and when I haven't even gotten the chance to post?
...And then I kept reading.
And reading.
And saw the posts pile up doing the thing I attempted to press the quote button and write a post to stop.
I was literally
less than one hour
late to stopping the Wisdom mislim.
If I had gotten the chance to post, which I was
less than one hour too late to do
, you all would've gotten me to remind you of why Wisdom was town and should be the last possible player to eliminate.
Literally if people had waited so much as ~45 minutes, the Wisdom hammer doesn't go through.
And with the Wisdom hammer not going through, the game ends on D5 once he comes in and claims.
...You can understand, now, why my reaction was as strong as it was on D6, yes?
(I tend to take VERY poorly to eliminations being pushed through when I am not around. Especially when they are on town. ESPECIALLY when I am only a couple of hours away from being around. ESPECIALLY if I have strong reason to believe the slot is town.)
(for extra context, I had rushed straight home from work in order to come directly to the game to post. D5 started while I was at work, at 6 pm. I was busy with work, so I either couldn't check the thread or checked it and didn't see an issue because Wisdom votes hadn't happened yet. It wasn't until page 186 that the Wisdom votes started to pile on. This was the page I was reading when I tried to quote a post and found the thread locked. The hammer came through as I was finishing closing up and about to start my drive home, and I arrived home at about 8:30. When the hammer came in at 7:39. There was no Wisdom wagon until 6:30. Meaning that the wagon, basically start to finish, took one hour. One hour, that I was busy in.)
Also, I just want to put it on the record--
NEVER FORGET.
Do more than just take it to heart:
Burn this game into your very souls.
For literally EVERY game you EVER play in the future.
NEVER. FORGET.
Always. ALWAYS. Remember this game, and remember the outcome of it. And remember one thing about it:
It ended in a scum win on D10.
When it would've ended on D5 in a town win, by allowing for the proper due process that you by default give in 99% of your games. And there's a reason you give that due process in 99% of your games. There's a reason that you allow for players to claim before you ramrod an elimination through on them.
And this game is why.
So NEVER FORGET.
Whenever you have a thought of "we don't need to wait". Remember what not waiting did to this game.
Whenever you have a thought of "we can end the game right now". Remember where that thought led this game.
Whenever you have a thought of "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS". Remember where that bloodlust got you this game.
Whenever you are tempted to lolhammer. Remember what lolhammering cost us in this game. (Literally everything.)
Whenever you have a thought of "we don't need to wait for a claim". Remember what waiting for a claim would've given you this game, and what not waiting cost you this game.
Whenever you see a player suggest any of the above. Point them to this game, and remember, remind them, of why due process exists.
Whenever you see a lack of caution, where caution is being thrown to the wind: intervene, remembering this game, and what throwing caution to the wind resulted in.
I do not fault players for having made this mistake for the first time in their mafiascum careers. It happens to everyone at least once at some point. They get arrogant, they get ahead of themselves, they think that they can just sweep the scum up and that they've got the game on wrap, so the normal rules need not apply.
So I do not fault the voters for having made the mistake in this game.
But make no mistake:
I WILL fault you for it in every. future. game. You and I ever play in.
And so should YOU.
You should not allow any of you seven to repeat the mistake made in this game.
Because, again:
NEVER. FORGET.
I'm dead serious: burn the outcome of this game, scum win on D10, into your soul. And remember. Always remember. Why that happened. It's not your fault. But it's a reminder that in the future if you repeat the mistake, it WILL be your fault. So never let it be your fault in the future, by never forgetting.
+1
I agree although I once correctly quickhammered scum because I was like 99.99999% sure and I was right but I never do that unless I know pretty much beyond a shadow of a doubt that I’m not wrong.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:30 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
ok it's obviously suboptimal to speedelim an investigative with a mechguilty when you're about to win the game.
on the other hand tho,
this was a way funnier outcome :3
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:35 pm
by SirCakez
No one is saying the Wisdom quicklim was smart or good play lol
. Wow, just wow, one freaking hour. W I L D