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↑ VP Baltar wrote:Because he calls you town I assume.

Anyhow, lots of stuff here to work with now. ThAd's analysis posts aren't bad. I do think the clear move today is to lynch Iec. He's the safest bet for hitting scum I believe. What I want to do is figure out who could be a potential PV-Iec partner before the day is out. That will give a clear game plan to follow.

Empking is the next person I want to read.
He's townish, but I definitely want to double check things.

↑ Empking wrote:So you've essentially claimed VT, but you're saving your name. So your scum, and that's a pretty poor attempt at AtE.

No, I had already mentioned that I thought VP's read on RestFermata/ThAdmiral is colored by his read on me.

if you made a case on RF
I would be doubly-grateful

Here are all my posts about RestFermata being scum reposted for your benefit. Most are from D1; the last is from today:

↑ Iecerint wrote:RF is scummy if Levi is town.

↑ Iecerint wrote:

Vote: RestFermata

I think levi is probably town. The conditional/chain attack on Nacho was scummy given leviTown.

↑ Iecerint wrote:

↑ RestFermata wrote:Iecerint, I really don't see how lev's being town would make me scummier, because as town I do not know whether or not lev is scum; I can only speculate based on his behavior. I can be wrong or right based on the exact same reasoning. I don't see how a fact I'm not privy to would affect my perceived alignment. You keep throwing this out there and it really doesn't make any sense to me. If you're trying to say that my accusation of lev doesn't look like a bus, fine, then say that.

As scum, you knew Levi was town, so you were making plans predicated on Levi flipping town.

As town, you would probably focus on evaluating whether Levi was scum before constructing too many conditional dominoes (particularly ones of the "If XTown, then Yscum" type). You would also be more alarmed at Levi's bizarre/scummy early posts.

Somewhat hypocritically for me, if Levi is actually scum, all of this is nullified -- but I think Levi's town at this point.

↑ Iecerint wrote:Dunno what the mea culpa is, though. I did have one of those with FourTrouble.

I am still OK with my RestFermata vote for now. I'm not really getting a change in my POV as she continues to post. Some other players seem to think her posting-style has made her town, though, so maybe I require schooling.

SaintKerrigan is the main place I am entertaining switching to.

↑ Iecerint wrote:Chkflp probably would've been my pick if he were still alive due to his having hammered D1 to unlynch Pere, but he's not. My two main gut scum reads of players still alive are RestFermata and HumanDestroyer (latter is mostly relational). Town on VP/Nacho/levi/FT, null on EmpKing.

HumanDestroyer gets townpoints for voting PereV out of the gate after someone else had already voted me going into D2. RestFermata was in favor of the PereV wagon prior to being opposed to it and then voting MsMarangal.

Vote: RestFermata

So the entirety of your case is that you didn't like RF's conditional attack. I didn't like it either, but that was very, very early on. Second, is a change in your point of view as she continues to post, but I don't understand what the hell that point means. Third is that she voted PereV day 2 prior to being opposed to it, but... that was my position as well.

↑ Iecerint wrote:

↑ Empking wrote:So you've essentially claimed VT, but you're saving your name. So your scum, and that's a pretty poor attempt at AtE.

No, I had already mentioned that I thought VP's read on RestFermata/ThAdmiral is colored by his read on me.

It has nothing to do with my read on you. Scum bus all the time (in fact, I'd say it's the optimal scum play at this point after the ball of flame PV went down in) and simply because someone calls another person scum doesn't mean I would consider that person town. I've felt RF was on the town side of things for a while now simply because she seemed too aloof of some basic concepts to be scum on the con. I could be wrong of course, but that'd be some pretty genius scum play and I just wasn't getting that vibe from her. ThAd hasn't really been here long enough to color that viewpoint one way or another.

↑ Iecerint wrote:I have not claimed.

If you're going to lynch me, you should go ahead and lynch me. VP needs to get my flip before all his reads are messed up.

lol, didn't see this post before. p. funny.

@ ice: So if I'm reading correctly your case is that rest was making cases on people based on the assumption that Levi was town. Even though you agreed Levi was town.

And also because rest was for the pere wagon before the claim and then voted mm. Fair enough, but remember you were never for the pere wagon and also voted mm.

Hey HD, what do you think of Iec? Have we heard from you about him...I could be forgetting.

↑ VP Baltar wrote:Hey HD, what do you think of Iec? Have we heard from you about him...I could be forgetting.

Oh hey, that was convenient, just decided to come back to this game

I think I've said he was a townread multiple times now, comes from an early period where I really liked his push on RestFermata.

I haven't really been paying attention to this game but unless I really missed something drastic I don't want him lynched.

why do you think he is town
who are you attempting to lynch at this time and why

and can we talk about how town as fuck RF's replace out was?
or was I the only one who was around for that?

↑ VP Baltar wrote:I've felt RF was on the town side of things for a while now simply because she seemed too aloof of some basic concepts to be scum on the con.

Um, if I'm not mistaken, RestFermata was the player who came up with "bosses are scum; heroes are town" D1.

It's pretty funky that HD strongly thinks I'm town when he's my #2...

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:why do you think he is town
who are you attempting to lynch at this time and why

I already said why he was town

Empking is a complete scumbutt and I seriously don't understand why this wagon isn't working

Do I need to pay you in cookies to get you on this wagon? I'd totally do that.

RF's replace-out was null I think.

Speaking of which, I'm going to scrutinize ThAd's catchup more, because I think I remember seeing him have me as his #1 scumpick then out of nowhere just making me iffy and throwing his vote on the popular Iec wagon.

↑ Iecerint wrote:It's pretty funky that HD strongly thinks I'm town when he's my #2...

You do realize I've townread you the entire game, right?

↑ Iecerint wrote:

↑ VP Baltar wrote:I've felt RF was on the town side of things for a while now simply because she seemed too aloof of some basic concepts to be scum on the con.

Um, if I'm not mistaken, RestFermata was the player who came up with "bosses are scum; heroes are town" D1.

I also figured that as soon as I saw my role PM. Pere's fakeclaim confirmed my suspicions. I don't really see that as damning evidence.

↑ Human Destroyer wrote:

↑ Iecerint wrote:It's pretty funky that HD strongly thinks I'm town when he's my #2...

You do realize I've townread you the entire game, right?

You still have a town read on him even now?

you can pay me in reasons
i can bake cookies for myself

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:Second, is a change in your point of view as she continues to post, but I don't understand what the hell that point means.

That part isn't a part of the case -- several players by that point D1 were saying that they had come around and thought that RestFermata was town due to je ne sais quoi. I was pointing out that had happened as a note to myself.

↑ VP Baltar wrote:

↑ Iecerint wrote:

↑ VP Baltar wrote:I've felt RF was on the town side of things for a while now simply because she seemed too aloof of some basic concepts to be scum on the con.

Um, if I'm not mistaken, RestFermata was the player who came up with "bosses are scum; heroes are town" D1.

I also figured that as soon as I saw my role PM. Pere's fakeclaim confirmed my suspicions. I don't really see that as damning evidence.

I had assumed Gwyn's family could be scum at the start of the game. It was a possibility that the MC might be scum, but it wasn't sure to me. Anyway, this kind of thing would definitely be modulated by whatever role PM you happened to pick up.

Buuuuuut point is that RestFermata stands out as someone with questionable non-aloofness if anything -- not as "lol idk im town"

↑ VP Baltar wrote:

↑ Human Destroyer wrote:

↑ Iecerint wrote:It's pretty funky that HD strongly thinks I'm town when he's my #2...

You do realize I've townread you the entire game, right?

You still have a town read on him even now?

Again, haven't seen a good reason to remove my townread.

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:you can pay me in reasons
i can bake cookies for myself

God fucking dammit

I made a wall on him

y u no read it

↑ Human Destroyer wrote:

↑ Iecerint wrote:It's pretty funky that HD strongly thinks I'm town when he's my #2...

You do realize I've townread you the entire game, right?

Yeah, I remember you having a townread on me D1, at least, and I remember having a relative townread on you D1, too, for that matter, though I don't know if I ever voiced it because I thought various players' "hmm could be scum" parroting might be useful down the line.

But I mean it is rational to have at least a little bit of suspicion, even if the reasoning is as facile as "Pere flipped scum," especially since your level of engagement is relatively low.

But it could be that your head is still in D1 or something.

quote it for me iec