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Post Post #825 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:00 am

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OK, so here are 2 posts that we see 2 different motivations from. It could be personal bias, but we doubt it, thus we are posting about it.

AngryPidgeon wrote:I realize Cryo could be trying to buddy me, but I also like to think that I'm right on my gut feel about them actually being town.

@Slandaar: "Forgot you were even in the game." -Cryonudist. You really think this is a lie? It feels a bit bold to actually be a lie given that their reactions to you are what made everyone start looking tat them in the first place. Dangerous WIFOM, I know, but I really would bet they flip town right now.

I'd rather lynch KoC/ANG/Messiah, but Cryo is looking like a compromise lynch that I will ultimately support.

@MollieK, I guess I feel different because I was genuinely not enjoying the game. Also, I have no idea how you figured Slandaar was 18.
@Mollie: Thanks for that last post. You know how to cheer me up : )

@qwints: GIF is sheeping Jal's belief that mastin is likely 3rd party. So I guess he thinks mastin is a SK claiming miller.

I'd really like to lynch KoC.


vs...

Angelious Nero wrote:I still think AP is scum. He made a terrible terrible hop onto cyro and then tries to throw off my suspicion on him as some vendetta. He's not town but day needs to end so I'm willing to kill Cyro if we ain't lynchin' the scum bird.


AP's reads like he is unsure about our alignment but has a gut read on us as town. He wants to pursue other avenues and actually lynch someone he has scum reads on, but will ultimately vote us as compromise.

AN's reads like they are very sure about AP being scum, but ultimately know nobody is going down that road today so in order to end the day, they are willing to kill Cryo instead of someone they think is scum. No need to further pursue the case on AP since lynching us is just as good of a mislynch as mislynching AP.

AP's post still includes questions that lead to better reads and making people post and not tunnel. AN's is simply 'let's get today over with so we are willing to join someone we think is scum in lynching Cryo'.

Lastly, and it's minor we know, look at the words used to talk about our death. AP says "lynch" and AN says "kill". It's highly a psychological argument and alone doesn't mean much, but combined with the other thoughts, we think it's more telling than not of each of their mindset's.

Again, maybe personal bias, but to us, these 2 similar post seem to be coming from 2 different motivations. Only provable once we flip town, but please lynch AN tomorrow after our flip.
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Post Post #826 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:04 am

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Also, Slandaar is probably scum. The one game this head was in with him, he tunneled a guy named d3x (some of you may be familiar with him) the entire game and stayed in the background for most the game. Pretty much everyone wrote this off as town vs town and left it alone. We see him doing something similar this game after reading his ISO in regards to us. Something to consider for you all later.

VOTE: AN till it becomes apparent that we are today's lynch in which case we may even self hammer.
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Post Post #827 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:16 am

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Piratecat wrote:town role pm>>>town motivation>>>town motivated posts.

I like you. I like this.

Ok, I think/hope Molliekittens are town. Mollie's recent posts feel really genuine to me, although I know it is possible to hide behind genuine frustration as scum because I have definitely done that. That said, I like her content on Cryo (and that she is taking an unpopular stance) amidst a slew of random side comments; basically, she doesn't feel like shes appealing to anyone or actively trying to look busy (on top of her emotion feeling genuine).

Nero, I will sigbet you on my alignment. If I win, Pirate Mollie gets to pick your sig for 3 months. (Note my subtle sarcasm here, because this WIFOM and AtE that I provide as my defense is basically the same level of non-posting you have put into rationalizing your scumread on me.)

In all seriousness though, in what game have I ever not slung my vote around? I'm ironically playing more towards my recent scum meta by voteparking Messiah as long as I did,despite him being not-here. And don't you find it even remotely hypocritical that you are flinging mud at mastin to discredit his townread on me?

Hey, KoC, I'm over here. No need to be whispering sweet nothings in Nero's ear over there.

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As much as I respect that mastin is attempting a power play with the Cryo lynch, I really think we have better options.

MollieKittens, who would you two want to lynch the most? I see MalaK mentioned Cryo and PM has mentioned Cryo as a townread. Mollie mentioned KoC who Malak thinks is town apparently. So is there anyone you two agree on for scum?

Would not lynch today: Goat, MsMarangal, mastin2, Slandaar, PirateCat, Angelious Nero, Jal, PV, Mac. Would prefer to not lynch: qwints, Fitz, Bitmap, Guy in Freezer, Cryo, Guile, bork.
Leaving: Majiffy, ANG, KoC, Messiah.

So, if I'm being realistic: ANG, KoC, Messiah, Cryo, Guile are lynchable. I'd like people to comment on all those players.
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Post Post #828 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:33 am

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ANG: Started off cool under your pressure very early in the game....then lost it once people started sheeping you. Not seeing why town would get worried over a few votes.

KoC: Not remembering a whole lot other than agreeing with some of his earlier posts and thinking him town

Messiah: Hard to get a read off of 6 posts. Would be a semi-policy lurker lynch if this was the chosen lynch for the day. (part of the reason we were willing to 1v1 him was based around us both not posting much in this game at the time). One thing we think is ANG and Messiah probably aren't scum together. Would probably lynch Messiah over ANG at this point.

Guile: Like we said earlier, UN is part of this hydra and we don't know anything about the other head. UN is super active in mini's and is not so much in this game. This isn't a mini so that meta is pretty null. Other thoughts would be we really like UN and thus we like his hydra and if they are town or scum, it should become apparent later so not a D1 lynch in our opinion.

Us: If it's going to gain the majority of town a good read on others coughANcough, we will roll over.

note: you have AN in the wrong pile bro....
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Post Post #829 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:35 am

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Also, Slandaar's ISO is giving us dejavu and our gut is saying scum for it. Only real difference is that the game we are referencing was a mini and he was more active D1 in solidifying this tunneling.
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Post Post #830 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:39 am

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Here's the game we were referring to...AP...you modded it...

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24200
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Post Post #831 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:40 am

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CryoChemist wrote:AP's reads like he is unsure about our alignment but has a gut read on us as town. He wants to pursue other avenues and actually lynch someone he has scum reads on, but will ultimately vote us as compromise.

AN's reads like they are very sure about AP being scum, but ultimately know nobody is going down that road today so in order to end the day, they are willing to kill Cryo instead of someone they think is scum. No need to further pursue the case on AP since lynching us is just as good of a mislynch as mislynching AP.

AP's post still includes questions that lead to better reads and making people post and not tunnel. AN's is simply 'let's get today over with so we are willing to join someone we think is scum in lynching Cryo'.

Lastly, and it's minor we know, look at the words used to talk about our death. AP says "lynch" and AN says "kill". It's highly a psychological argument and alone doesn't mean much, but combined with the other thoughts, we think it's more telling than not of each of their mindset's.

Again, maybe personal bias, but to us, these 2 similar post seem to be coming from 2 different motivations. Only provable once we flip town, but please lynch AN tomorrow after our flip.


hhhmmm......

I agree with your analysis but the kill tell is dropped like nuts on this site. I thought it was an accepted site meta thing cos it was so widely accepted. the people from here who have played at tr stand out like bright neon lights when they are scum/vig/SK cos they drop them like crazy and most of tr has learned not to but they still slip up sometimes.

I think it would be interesting to see a competing bw between you and messiah. what do you think.

re: slaandar

not sure. he trolleytracked on me in my first game but I dunno. I get a slight town vibe from him because of it.

@ nero

okay yeah scum
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do it, but would they? you would have to be super confident in your team.
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Post Post #832 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:41 am

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*should correct this to psychological piece of the analysis
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Post Post #833 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:55 am

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*stepping back and consulting with the lovely mala*
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Post Post #834 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:09 am

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Piratecat wrote:I think it would be interesting to see a competing bw between you and messiah. what do you think.

We were and still are willing to do this. More-so now than before actually. Aside from semi-trolling with the idea earlier, we thought it would be a good way to get ourselves back in the game AND get him to post as well. We are now in it but haven't heard boo from them and we think it might have backfired with the spotlight shifting so far away from him making him able to continue to not post.

So yeah, I think it would be good, ESPECIALLY if he ended up being scum. If he was lynched over us and flipped scum, the huge spotlight shift when we jumped back into this game would give some good info.

@Messiah: We challenge you to a 1v1, like right now (again). What do you have to say?
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Post Post #835 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:23 am

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If Messiah is town and this is a town v town thing, it's going to backfire hard....

Actually, we'd much rather 1v1 AN.

How bout it AN? Wanna put it down to us or you? Hydra v hydra? You scared?
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Post Post #836 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:30 am

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Yes yes, the more we think about it, the more we want today's lynch to be narrowed down to us or AN.

AN even proclaimed they think 'today needs to end'. This will help push it in that direction. What are you scared of AN? Accept our invitation to 1v1 you and have today's lynch be between us you you? Our vote is already where it needs to be.
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Post Post #837 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:34 am

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These Cyro guys are funny. Long games are anti-town as fuck. The longer a game goes on the motivation of town goes down. When town lacks motivation there's less scumhunting. When there's less scumhunting there's more mislynchs. Players ISO's only get longer and its a fucking headache to read. We are already at page 34 now,
IF[/] we get a lynch together in 6 pages then we'll be at 40. If we have another 40 on day 2 and so on and so forth. By day 4 we could be looking at a 160 page game. Most players
DON'T
want to replace into that and if they do they don't really want to read. Jiffy has 92 posts, by day 4 she could have a 400 post ISO.

*shakes head*

This whole "Welp Nero wants to help the town by ending the day phase before it turns into a clusterfuck and drain all town motivation is scummy as fuck." is a bunch of bullshit.

AP: Bets during a game are against the site rules. If you think call cyro scummy for X posts then hop on after support, "ZOMG PEOPLE SUSPECT ME, I'M GOING TO TAKE MY BALL AND GO HOME!" "Hey everyone, Nero has a vendetta against me, he doesn't really think that I'm scummy." is good town play? Then geez. I should have called you the VI instead of Mollie.

I want an AP or Cryo lynch today and I think we should have one together by no more than the next 16 pages.
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Post Post #838 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:38 am

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1 v 1's are dumb dude besides we're town and you're probs town but you still need to die unless we are killing AP today.
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Post Post #839 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:56 am

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Post Post #840 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:02 pm

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That's soooooooooooooooooooooo it.
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Post Post #841 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:02 pm

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That's soooooooooooooooooooooo it.
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Post Post #842 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:22 pm

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What do you think about the piratecat Cryo?
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Post Post #843 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:29 pm

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Slandaar wrote:What do you think about the piratecat Cryo?

Aside from being in love? We think they are town.
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Post Post #844 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:30 pm

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At any rate, we urge town to lynch us or AN today.
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Post Post #845 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:30 pm

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So I don't understand why ppl wants to lynch a slot they think it's town. (Talking about cryo lynch)
Tbh I don't buy all this "I think he's town but let's lynch anyway"

Can we lynch ANG or KoC instead?
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Post Post #846 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:31 pm

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If you wanna ask my opinion on cyro, I think he's town.
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Post Post #847 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:50 pm

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Town

CryoNudist
Angelious Nero
PirateCat
The Goat
Ms Marangal
mastin2

Scum

Messiah
Slandaar
AngryPidgeon
Jal
Knight of Cydonia

Null

Colonel Guile
borkjerfkin
Mac
Approximately Normal Guy
Bitmap
PeregrineV
qwints
havingfitz
GuyinFreezer



Nulls need to step it up and interact with me more so I can get reads, thanks.
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Post Post #848 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:55 pm

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GuyInFreezer wrote:
KoC - His posts have been a complaint most of the time.


Ladies and gentlemen... the sum of GIF's mentions of me thus far.
:lol:
The inability of like, 90% of the people in this game to actually present a case would be hilarious if it wasn't making this game impossible to play anything resembling properly. There are literally so many people just saying "s/he's scum, lynch pls" or daring each other to shitty 1v1s for no shitting reason that with the exception of Majiffy and a small handful of town reads everyone just reads as VI right now.
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Post Post #849 (ISO) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:09 pm

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So I'm your only scum read, and you're voting me for not scumhunting?

Just making sure we're clear on this. Page 34 and you're sticking to a policy vote from like page 15 and you haven't even bothered to expand your reads beyond "hurr Majiffy is scum and I guess I have a few other town reads AND THE REST OF YOU ARE ALL JUST A BUNCH OF NOT-SCUMHUNTING-IDIOTS LOLOLOL"
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