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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:29 pm
by buldermar
We're going to need one more vote once she doesn't hammer, but it should be obvious for even the retards in this game that she's scum at that point.

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:31 pm
by fferyllt
buldermar wrote:
fferyllt wrote:
buldermar wrote:
fferyllt wrote:Yes, in your second post after I called you out on the implicit assumption in your first post, you said "should you turn out to be town".

I have to go back through this. It's at the root of my uncertainties about you. After I got past the WKing I still had this, along with your apparently not getting that a Kara Thrace safe claim should not have been wasted on a VT role claim. In one post, it looked like you were even arguing that I'd claimed a power role.
I don't have any flavor knowledge at all, but I know on theoretical grounds alone that you can't use it as an argument for being town. I believe I've pointed out why at least three times already - don't make me do it again.

Please do point out in what post I was arguing that you had claimed a power role and additionally, regardless of whether or not you succesfully pull such post out of your little scum-hat, explain to me why it should be indicative of alignment in the first place.


This one.

buldermar wrote:Ofc you'd use a great fake power role claim if it would keep you alive -
which is exactly what you're attempting to make it do right now.


Will read 309 tomorrow.

I'll admit that was phrased poorly, but given the context it should be quite obvious to you that what I meant is that you'd ofc use a great fake flavor role claim that's commonly attributed a power role if it would keep you alive.


And here you make the argument again that I would intentionally do something bad for my team if I were scum.

The first time we went through all this, that argument on your part pretty much convinced me that you had to be scum because it's not predicated on any sort of respect for my scum game. It's contemptuous of it. And it's in stark contrast to your initial arguments that I'm too valuable to d1 lynch because of my town game.

Townie outrage about being misread. I guess we both have it.

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:36 pm
by fferyllt
fferyllt wrote:
I have to go back through this.
It's at the root of my uncertainties about you. After I got past the WKing I still had this, along with your apparently not getting that a Kara Thrace safe claim should not have been wasted on a VT role claim. In one post, it looked like you were even arguing that I'd claimed a power role.

Second time's the charm.

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:39 pm
by pitoli
fferyllt wrote:
buldermar wrote:CAN WE PLEASE JUST LYNCH ff ALREADY?

This post looks fed up and frustrated.

That's exactly how I feel as well.

But, it does at least look like town frustration. I don't think I've ever seen someone this certain I'm scum and wrong before. Well, maybe once, but the guy had a lot of issues.

orc, vote me please, and I'll hammer.

Is this a bluff??

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:39 pm
by fferyllt
Not it all. It's resignation.

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:43 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
fuck you all

i think this is a bad vote

and when ff flips town i will hate all of you

please let me be wrong

VOTE: fery

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:44 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
well no actually

i think there is a decent chance of fery flipping scum

i just don't think that this is the correct vote for the day

so yeah actually i'm good with this

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:45 pm
by fferyllt
VOTE: fferyllt

SD next please.

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:46 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
fferyllt wrote:VOTE: fferyllt

SD next please.

what were you?

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:46 pm
by fferyllt
Town.

It's not quite 4 am my time. If there's anything you want to talk about before nightfall, make it quick.

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:47 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
fferyllt wrote:Town.

It's not quite 4 am my time. If there's anything you want to talk about before nightfall, make it quick.

Why SD over a policy lynch

What is buldemar I can't read him

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:52 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
And how sure are you about Syryana because I sort of want to play the rest of the game with Syryana as conftown.

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:53 pm
by fferyllt
He and pitoli have stayed well clear of my bandwagon. Plus all the other stuff involving his absurd lists.

I think the earlier competing wagons were probably town vs town.

I don't know that I can really read him either. I think so but it takes a test-to-destruction to get there. The way he flipped out when I went back through the stuff that had made me think he was scum earlier does feel like town outrage.

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:53 pm
by fferyllt
Syryana gives me a town vibe.

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:54 pm
by fferyllt
fferyllt wrote:I don't know that I can really read him either. I think so but it takes a test-to-destruction to get there. The way he flipped out when I went back through the stuff that had made me think he was scum earlier does feel like town outrage.

This was about buldermar.

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:54 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
Okay

How dangerous is keeping Buldermar alive if he were scum? How good is his town game?

How strong is your town vibe on Syryana?

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:57 pm
by fferyllt
orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Okay

How dangerous is keeping Buldermar alive if he were scum? How good is his town game?

Very dangerous. That's why I could not leave the question alone.

[quote[How strong is your town vibe on Syryana?[/quote]
Pretty strong. I wouldn't take it to the bank, and if I were alive day 2 and beyond I'd reevaluate at the drop of a hat if there were any reason to.

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:58 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
Deltabacon/Lurker/Nero need to be sorted, how?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:00 am
by fferyllt
No more time to sort Deltabacon is my biggest regret about self-hammering.

I think town's power roles are going to have to do something about one or both of Nero/Lurker.

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:02 am
by orcinus_theoriginal
All right.

I think that's enough to go on, leave your reads as a list one more time for good measure if you want, but I'm satisfied.

Sorry bout the early tunneling, and I feel we could've worked alongside each other better in the game.

Take care

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:06 am
by fferyllt
Town:

orcinus
Syryana

Unsure leaning town

buldermar

Unsure leaning scum

pitoli

Scum

SD

Who the fuck knows

Lurker
Nero
Deltabacon

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:08 am
by fferyllt
orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I feel we could've worked alongside each other better in the game.

Me too.

Good luck.

I look forward to playing another game with you.

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:14 am
by fferyllt
Funny that buldermar disappeared. I thought he'd have a few last questions for me too.

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:21 am
by fferyllt
buldermar wrote:We're going to need one more vote once she doesn't hammer, but it should be obvious for even the retards in this game that she's scum at that point.

Quoting for posterity.

If he's scum and convinced me to take myself out of the game, it will color every game interaction we have until the heat death of the universe.

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:16 am
by buldermar
fferyllt wrote:
buldermar wrote:
fferyllt wrote:
buldermar wrote:
fferyllt wrote:Yes, in your second post after I called you out on the implicit assumption in your first post, you said "should you turn out to be town".

I have to go back through this. It's at the root of my uncertainties about you. After I got past the WKing I still had this, along with your apparently not getting that a Kara Thrace safe claim should not have been wasted on a VT role claim. In one post, it looked like you were even arguing that I'd claimed a power role.
I don't have any flavor knowledge at all, but I know on theoretical grounds alone that you can't use it as an argument for being town. I believe I've pointed out why at least three times already - don't make me do it again.

Please do point out in what post I was arguing that you had claimed a power role and additionally, regardless of whether or not you succesfully pull such post out of your little scum-hat, explain to me why it should be indicative of alignment in the first place.


This one.

buldermar wrote:Ofc you'd use a great fake power role claim if it would keep you alive -
which is exactly what you're attempting to make it do right now.


Will read 309 tomorrow.

I'll admit that was phrased poorly, but given the context it should be quite obvious to you that what I meant is that you'd ofc use a great fake flavor role claim that's commonly attributed a power role if it would keep you alive.


And here you make the argument again that I would intentionally do something bad for my team if I were scum.

The first time we went through all this, that argument on your part pretty much convinced me that you had to be scum because it's not predicated on any sort of respect for my scum game. It's contemptuous of it. And it's in stark contrast to your initial arguments that I'm too valuable to d1 lynch because of my town game.

Townie outrage about being misread. I guess we both have it.
I still think you either don't or pretend to not understand the point I am trying to convey. I'd go as far as stating that because I'm making the point I'm making, I must think highly of your scum game.