Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:20 pm
Why didn't highlight yourself green..?
Also, chainsaw doesn't mean what you think it means.
Also, chainsaw doesn't mean what you think it means.
Yes, moving things out of RVS is all to the good, protown, etc. But it's not hard to fake as scum, nor is it a pass to excuse scummy behavior in doing so. He implied his vote was serious, but the reason wasn't anything that struck me as moving toward relevant scum hunting. It was forced, trying too hard to look protown for exactly what you cite: the protowniness of moving things out of RVS. I wasn't attacking him for moving out of RVS, it was the way he did it.In post 823, BROseidon wrote: Page 1: Mostly RVS. Saint tries to move it out of RVS, which is a fairly protown move. Penguin attacks him for this, which is strange. Ghost sits on the fence, which looks really bad.
And here you say one should attack anything that seems off in RVS, but I'm scummy for doing that. Contradiction.Page 2: In retrospect something sits odd about FBN’s 27. Ghost attacks both p_a and saint, although this sits off with me:It’s RVS. Something that seems even a little bit off should be attacked. That’s how you generate information. Ghost is basically saying “I think Saint looks bad but not bad enough for someone to pressure the issue,” even though it’s not like there’s any other way to get the game off the ground.In post 28, Ghostlin wrote:To the point, I sort kinda agreed about Saint's #8, if pseudo serious, is reaching but doesn't really warrant and actual vote on him from PA.
IIOA. And I'll address this here, since it seems to form a lot of your commenting on me. No, I don't post a lot of fluff, but I'm not completely devoid of a sense of fun. I'm not sure if it's a question of me having more time to post some fluff here relative to the other site where we play, but unless you think there's something FBN was saying that was any content to reply to, I don't see your point.Mac towns it up in his attack on me, imo. Seems like town Mac. Saint starts raging. Pretty much everyone starts pressuring Saint, in the following order: Ghost, Mhork, DV, Doc Pepper, penguin. Penguin also responds with a fairly substantial wall, but she does, however, post a touch fluff content to FBN, while her content to ghost, saint, and myself is all pretty spot on with 0 fluff. FBN then responds with a terrible read (DV scumread at any point in the game was actually terrible and anyone who had that should feel aweful). Safety Dance also posts good content.
It's page 4. Do you really think there's anything off about wanting more content down before lynching?This is very fast from “don’t like PA” to “no-lynch.”In post 80, Ghostlin wrote:Even I wouldn't want to see Saint lynched at all now without interaction between players, nor would I see PA lynched.
Again, it's page 4. The game isn't at the point of having a lynch go through, so the idea of prioritizing voting for someone only if the lynch can go through is just an excuse not to follow through. If we were at a day to deadline and had to compromise lynch, sure,. And you say he's trying to put a town voting block together--show me where he does this on or before page 4.Penguin’s response to RQS is strange. Why bother, it just wastes space. Additionally, the way she questions me is really cautious. She’s not outright attacking me, but trying to poke holes in my game and gauge what I feel. There is a lot of scum motivation in this. Town want to yell about different reads and try to figure out which is true. Scum want to try to sheep consensus as much as possible to induce minimal fighting. She then attacks Saint on the “scum want to blend in” grounds based on something Saint said that was very obviously town-motivated (town want to push for lynches that are optimal for both chance of scumflip and ability to actually make the lynch happen). Saint tries to put together a town-block, which is a protown move.
Regarding the fluffy RQS, see the above WRT my posting fluff. And again, my meta here is different . On the other site, we have five days per phase if we're lucky, and the median per person post number is 2 or 3. I have to be provocative to try to get anything out of them when they do post. Here, I'm more inclined to engage in dialogue sometimes with people I'm trying to read.
Meaning...?Page 5: The way FBN talks about DV is strange:
This lacks good trajectory.In post 101, fuzzybutternut wrote:I'm seriously hoping DV isn't scum again.
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DV i'm not too sure about. I'm iffy there.
Why does making a pro-town move in a scummy way absolve him of suspicion here?FBN fencesits on reading me in response to letters’ townreading me, but doesn’t give anything as to why he’s unsure about me.
Early wagon forms on Saint over p_a despite saint making the earlier pro-town move to start the tiff and saint generally scumhunting and taking overtly pro-town moves. Chance of CBD or Ghost being scum seems pretty high from this.In post 116, Nexus wrote:Saint (4)- Lord Mhork, penguin_alien, SafetyDance, Ghostlin
First sentence is a descriptive way to indicate that I don't see DV and Lord Mhork As scum together. And you specifically asked me what I thought of them together, so way to misrepresent how my comment came into being. And as for the rest of the paragraph, my point was that if you're pressuring someone, you don't give them a backdoor to blow off that pressure, not that town shouldn't maintain a view of shades of grey.There is solid scum motivation behind each of these sentences. First one looks like an attempt to set up doubt about the towniness of DV to potentially setup a mislynch later, because leaving him uncontested would result in him being a universal townread. Second and third ones are penguin saying, “town shouldn’t show nuance of thought when making cases. Uncertainty is bad” when everything in this game is probabilistic and including counterpoints adds nuance to cases.In post 122, penguin_alien wrote:If he and Lord Mhork are scum together, they're doing a pretty kick-ass job. Lord Mhork seems to be tunneling pretty narrowly so far, although I don't think I agree with the idea that him pointing out all the scumminess from Saint is scummy in turn--it's not his job to point out the towny things someone does if he thinks he's caught scum. And if he was, it would make me think he was getting ready to undermine his own case, indicating he didn't believe in it.
What Amrun said. Plus not following your point.Page 6: Holy fuck Jake’s first reads are horrific, and his early DV push is obviously bad. Ghost calls out letters for waffling when Ghost has done the same, just with more nuance. Ghost chainsaws DV in response to Jake’s “nice omgus” comment, which is bad because it indicates scum trying to read to far into town intent.
Re: pseudo-masons--yes...are you trying to coach your scummates or muddy the waters with WIFOM.Okay I’m out of time for now. From the first 6 pages I want to say scum are most likely Ghost/penguin/FBN, although that third one is a lot weaker. Mhork looks really bad without the mason claim, but I still think the mason claim is legit and scum are banking on town doubting it tomorrow. Saint is fairly obviously town, and the early pressure was largely unjustified.
Also, in case someone decides to hammer before I can work through the rest of the game, scum not killing Rach/Mhork is not alignment-indicative for them. It’s probably LyLo tomorrow on a mislynch, which means that, if the mason claim is legit, it’s better for scum to leave doubt in play as to whether the mason claim is a gambit than it is to have a conf-townie going in.
As much as it might be entertaining to see you go through a 34 page thread like this, how is it really helpful? Are you changing your opinions as a result? Are you bringing up new points that make a case? Because this looks like scum hoping to find something to pin on anyone else. What is your response to the things we who are voting you think are scummy?
