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sos wrote:RT I still have as town. I feel like our impressions of the game state are diverging, though, and I'm trying to find the root causes of that divergence.

@RT: My townbloc currently includes RT, ak, and SoS (to a lesser extent). Ceph is leaning town, I'm liking his intermediate reads so far. Although, I feel like there is a lot of information he should be commenting on. I'm still waiting on ProHawk. Everyone else is a scumread to varying degrees.

Irrelevant: My dog is bothering me and I can't figure out what it is.

other than perhaps the nati read, what impressions do you think we're diverging on?

^ @sos obv

@brian

who are you thinking about voting?

Ugh...phone ate my post. Shit sucks.

HumblePeirot was a town read of mine--his hydra hating seemed benevolent. He lurked a little, sure, but his posts were all quite analytical and in-depth. He helped other users with the site's features(I don't think scum would have cared). These things all led to a very, well, townish way of looking at things. You acknowledged this yourself. Cephrir has mostly inherited his read from that. I reserve judgment on Cephrir's merits for now.

The Dessew thing...you got me there, he did take a stance there. He still didn't take a stance on others, mostly just chit chatting or using words like 'leaning' or 'slightly' to describe them--lets him change reads more.

On Mario...I know I don't want him in LyLo. Do you? It sounds like I'm advocating a policy lynch because, when dealing with A-class lurkers like him, it is. He's contributed, like, literally nothing to this game.

In post 827, Rail Tracer wrote:other than perhaps the nati read, what impressions do you think we're diverging on?

Maybe it comes down to differing impressions of the dessew kill. I have the impression you thought that could be a vig kill. I'm wondering if it fits better as an SK.

@RT: Titus

if you really believe mario should be PLed, the earlier the better. why not get rid of him today? the longer you delay it, the closer it gets to lylo where it actually matters. but that was beside my point. you're calling him a scum read for lack of contribution, but that sounds entirely like you want to PL him because he be scum who isn't contributing, not because you think he scum.

in regards to HP, what was with the following...?

In post 618, Natirasha wrote:So, plan tomorrow: get the thinktank going and lynch notscience. Hope you're with us nacho!

{SoS, Rail Tracer} not lynching
{Rebel, Dessew, Titus, Brian Skies, Artemis Kitty} need a really strong case
{Mario, Mogamma, HP-slot} come chat some time
{Notscience} kill it

why was HP not in your "not lynching" block given how strongly you seemed to think he was town?

like, yeah, ok, he was being replaced. so what?

In post 674, Natirasha wrote:If Humble Poirot is scum, it's completely possible he couldn't actually change his vote at all.

this was when you were talking about how there may not have been scum on the DB lynch. it doesn't really sound like something you say about someone you thought was really town looking.

sos wrote:I have the impression you thought that could be a vig kill.

um... i explicitly said i thought it was likely a kill based on trying to snipe a PR. mostly because i can't think of any other reason he'd have been killed by anyone over other candidates.

The come chat sometimes was due to wanting to chat with them. Perhaps it was unfair to lump the HP slot in their, but that was worded in such a way as to deliberately not be much of a judgment of scumminess.

On the second point, once again, I was speaking in the hypothetical. I do that quite a bit.

can you read HC and mogamma's posts (there aren't really that many so it shouldn't take you that much time) and tell me what you think of them?

O
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it just hit me.

natirasha wrote:Ugh...phone ate my post. Shit sucks.

YOU CHEATING FUCK

In post 3, Cabd wrote:

But wait. It seems that the cameraman spied a flash of backlit cell phones. Everybody knows cheating is wrong! You can't just google the answers! The cameraman makes you a deal. Turn in the cheaters, and the game can continue. Otherwise, you all are going to be hoofing it from the middle of nowhere, which is exactly where this cab is headed.

CONFIRMED SCUM

In post 816, Natirasha wrote:Ffery, thoughts on Ceph, RT, ns and I.

why did you choose these 4 players to ask about, btw?


@brian

is there a reason you're not voting titus?

Lol. Thanks for the laugh. Seriously, it was getting pretty serious in here.

I read HC and Mogammas posts. HC was mostly lost, although it was definitely in a townie way. Mogamma didn't like Peirot, but settled on cutting the chattel of Mario. Not sure what you're wanting me to glean from this. I will give the Prohawk slot a solid "mild town" right now. Not in the town block though.

I chose those four players Specifically because they were the primary talk at the moment--either by being the inquistor(you), presenting their analysis(Ceph), being analysed(me) or the tangential target of the one on stand(ns). In my eyes, they were the most relevant. If I had to add a fifth, it'd be Brian Skies. A sixth, Prohawk. A seventh, Nacho.

nat wrote:Not sure what you're wanting me to glean from this.

nothing in particular. i was just wondering whether you had any thoughts on the slot. you pretty much deferred your read there, whereas everyone else you have a read on to some degree.

one other question: what specifically did you not like about ns's first post today? or why did it make you want to vote him?

nat wrote:Lol. Thanks for the laugh. Seriously, it was getting pretty serious in here.

#835 is the only serious post i've made today.

I mostly defered my read because the slots been inactive for the entirety of my being here, and I don't really have any strong feelings on them. Not every read can be perfect >.>

I mentioned to nacho that the perceived impact can be just as important as the vote itself. My waiting was manipulating that impact to make the vote have more weight than it otherwise would--hopefully to help push momentum on notscience.

That is not to discount my previous reasoning behind not voting him--I was actually taken back the lack of a scum hammer.

His opening post today was weird. Complains about people metaing him„ vote Titus and claims she was 'over informed'. I don't see it. His overreaction to to votes on him next post didn't help my read either--i don't like how he's immediately moved into defensive mode.

The scum hammer is poor wording on my part--should be ns-scum hammer.

This should be alarming. I read this and no less than three people have my slot as PoE scum. It is too damn early for PoE scum as we don't even have a flip. Is hat the best people do? Use your brains. That's a scum pushed train. Only scum have enough information to do a PoE right now.

As for ns, his slot is obvscum to me. I really don't understand how anyone reads him as town. His accusations at the end of the day were shit about not scumhunting despite attempting to get as much inormation as I could.

Cephir, you have a section on 777 regarding me and Natirasha. I didn't understand that point. You also have me as PoE scum but most of the things you hav from my slot suggest town.

Rail Tracer, why are you pressing so much on read fishing. I don't like that.

I like AK and ProHawk as town(not sure who he replaced but his posts seem town). I can see BS as scum with RT. I am near certain NS is scum. SoS is an uncomfortable null read. I will need to figure out that slot fast.

titus wrote:I read this and no less than three people have my slot as PoE scum. It is too damn early for PoE scum as we don't even have a flip. Is that the best people do? Use your brains.

this whole line bugs me. even apart from the fact that titus must know poe is a tool some people use to find scum (even early in the game), the tone of it just feels off.

titus wrote:Rail Tracer, why are you pressing so much on read fishing. I don't like that.

i don't really understand what you're asking here. are you saying you don't like me asking for reads? because that seems like a rather dumb thing to dislike.

titus wrote:I can see NS as scum with RT.

do you think i'm scum?

what's your read on natirasha and mario?

In post 789, Rail Tracer wrote:this game could be as simple as something like nati-titus-mario

which would kind of make sense given the first two's complete lack of stances on the third.

yeah, reading over titus's latest post, i'm thinking the guy who made the above post is an insanely good player and a genius.

In post 809, Sound of Silence wrote:

In post 764, Cephrir wrote:She didn't really say that. Also I'm pretty sure this is

ObvtownFfery

so there's really no point in poking her with sharp things.

This is a strong statement coming from the guy who in Open 527 had me in his scum pile on day 3.

Yep, I knew you wouldn't like me townreading you here. But for whatever reason you feel townier to me this game. That and you actually being town in 527 despite all my paranoia causes me to feel less of it here.

In post 833, Natirasha wrote:The come chat sometimes was due to wanting to chat with them. Perhaps it was unfair to lump the HP slot in their, but that was worded in such a way as to deliberately not be much of a judgment of scumminess.

On the second point, once again, I was speaking in the hypothetical. I do that quite a bit.

Oh come one now, it was clearly a scum list. This is one of those times I want to use a neutral smiley but refrain because I always want to lynch those horrible things.

In post 841, Titus wrote:This should be alarming. I read this and no less than three people have my slot as PoE scum. It is too damn early for PoE scum as we don't even have a flip. Is hat the best people do? Use your brains. That's a scum pushed train.

Only scum have enough information to do a PoE right now

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My read on you is not PoE-based in any way. You replaced scum. Bolded is a ridiculous assertion that essentially discounts an entire playstyle. Insult your wagon all you want though Mr. "Logical Player".

In post 841, Titus wrote:As for ns, his slot is obvscum to me. I really don't understand how anyone reads him as town. His accusations at the end of the day were shit about not scumhunting despite attempting to get as much inormation as I could.

I feel like that's an NS tell.

In post 841, Titus wrote:Cephir, you have a section on 777 regarding me and Natirasha. I didn't understand that point. You also have me as PoE scum but most of

the things you hav from my slot suggest town.

This is just not true. Where did I say my read on you is POE? I didn't. My comment was referring to you saying "Nati is either town or scum" which, well, thanks that's great. Bold appears to be a blatant lie.

In post 841, Titus wrote:I like AK and ProHawk as town(not sure who he replaced but his posts seem town). I can see BS as scum with RT. I am near certain NS is scum. SoS is an uncomfortable null read. I will need to figure out that slot fast.

Are you not reading SoS' posts, or...?

No one should ever be near certain about anything in this game unless an investigative role is involved.

to be fair, it's not actually a blatant lie since the last thing you said about fuduzn is that he could be town.

"most of things" != "one thing"

764 the last thing you say about fuduzn is that he could be town, and after that you didn't really mention any of fuduzn's quotes. you did, however, suggest that rwap could be performing an excellent white-knight on fuduzn when you commented on one of rwap's quotes in 773.

*shrug* just saying, it's not exactly a lie.

I wrote:No one should ever be near certain about anything in this game unless an investigative role is involved.

Townreads are allowed to break this rule. I say this only because I realize I was near certain about something in 527 and I don't feel bad about the assumption.

In post 847, Rail Tracer wrote:764 the last thing you say about fuduzn is that he could be town, and after that you didn't really mention any of fuduzn's quotes. you did, however, suggest that rwap could be performing an excellent white-knight on fuduzn when you commented on one of rwap's quotes in 773.

*shrug* just saying, it's not exactly a lie.

Eh. I guess.