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In post 822, mastin2 wrote:None of what you're saying here is saying that I'm scum, Bert. It's saying that TIP is.

In post 823, Bert wrote:No, it's kinda saying "no" to voting you instead of Phok. Well I guess you can interpret it as saying Phok was Chosen and you're not, or Phok was the easier lynch.

Sorry I'm being confusing! What I mean in this blurb is that TIP didn't jump on your wagon, which is weird since he is so bandwagon happy. I guess Phok was chosen if TIP is scum, and he wanted Phok dead badly.

The problem is TIP is lynchbait and I can't read him well, no matter how much I think he is scummy and scum here. It's a gut thing which has him as scum, plus the actions, but my success rate for reading him is...less than adequate

^My argument just sucked and makes no sense, GRRR. *takes a step away from the computer to find my marbles*

It's ok, you know I'm town
Believe in yourself Bert
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So, sometimes I think I can wall, and then I read a post by mastin.

So, there's a really really really high percentage one of Mastin or TiP are scum.

TiP voted Mastin at the start of the day. Everyone's been around and posting and there's been no hammers. Of course, this is less strong in 5 person than in 3 person lylo, but still. One would think that scum would have figured out a way to make the lynch happen if they were both town and didn't.

In post 817, Bert wrote:Tammy what do you think of Mastin's wall? Weird that he steps it up today of all days, or is he accustomed to strong day starts?

I haven't played that much with Mastin. I've seen him as scum once in multiball where I was scum reading him, and Nacho was arguing with me telling me I was wrong iirc, but he made a misstep in "lylo" in that he came into LyLo basically disregarding me as town and it's what tipped Nacho into realizing that he was scum. (I say "lylo" because it wasn't a traditional LyLo due to a multiple town setup.) Anyway, his approach to this lylo is different, and I do feel myself a little swayed by the statements like he would have killed nacho night one not night two, but that might be because it's what my argument would be right now too.

But it does feel weird that I've been suspecting him all game to a certain degree and I'm alive over Nacho. Although I think it would bother me more if he was seriously pushing you because then that would make sense for him to get rid of the one person who would be able to defend you. But, he's waffled on you and ultimately suggested you're town, so that makes me go hrm.

Basically I need toreread over some things, but I do think there's something to the fact that everyone has been posting and there've been no hammers.

In post 831, Tammy wrote:But it does feel weird that I've been suspecting him all game to a certain degree and I'm alive over Nacho.

It bothers me that both you and mastin are alive <3

In post 830, Tammy wrote:So, there's a really really really high percentage one of Mastin or TiP are scum.

they are cross-voting now =/

In post 827, TheIrishPope wrote:It's ok, you know I'm town
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In post 831, Tammy wrote:Basically I need toreread over some things, but I do think there's something to the fact that everyone has been posting and there've been no hammers.

Me too. Mastin is right about Matt though with his last few posts that were kinda just seeing where people's reads are going, before putting forth his. It's that tone of cautiousness that I used in 1482 on Day 3 I believe that got me almost caught by Mantis. Ehh Mastin I'm just... his reputation, so like I can't trust him (or fully trust you), much less in a 5p LYLO with 4 dead.

I think I'm going to vote Tammy *eventually*, but I'm not going to place my vote and make the same mistakes I've made too many times to count, which is to vote early in LYLO. So I'm going to refrain, especially since this is purely gut that hasn't gone away since Day 2. The way she talks to me and has been talking to me doesn't feel quite right.

I thought about all the gut feelings I've had this game since I came in, and gut-wise I have to go with Tammy. 1 hour of mulling at dinner. That's all I have gut-wise. Now back to talking to you all and discussing things for the rest of the game day. Wanted to write here what I'm feeling so I don't forget where my head has been at, and to let you all know where it has been at.

I can't shake off the feeling that TIP is too easy of a lynch (darn low-hanging fruit paranoia won't go away), and for better or worse I anticipate my stubbornness leading to caving in last minute and hammering TIP, but...

I hope I stick to my guns this time. Time for discussion and also I need to listen/skim some tonight.

- Bert

In post 832, Bert wrote:

In post 831, Tammy wrote:But it does feel weird that I've been suspecting him all game to a certain degree and I'm alive over Nacho.

It bothers me that both you and mastin are alive <3

I'm not too happy about it either.

Bert wrote:

In post 830, Tammy wrote:So, there's a really really really high percentage one of Mastin or TiP are scum.

they are cross-voting now =/

Yeah, I know. Right now I'm trying to figure out what that means.

In post 833, Bert wrote:I think I'm going to vote Tammy *eventually*, but I'm not going to place my vote and make the same mistakes I've made too many times to count, which is to vote early in LYLO. So I'm going to refrain, especially since this is purely gut that hasn't gone away since Day 2. The way she talks to me and has been talking to me doesn't feel quite right.

I thought about all the gut feelings I've had this game since I came in, and gut-wise I have to go with Tammy. 1 hour of mulling at dinner. That's all I have gut-wise. Now back to talking to you all and discussing things for the rest of the game day. Wanted to write here what I'm feeling so I don't forget where my head has been at, and to let you all know where it has been at.

I can't shake off the feeling that TIP is too easy of a lynch (darn low-hanging fruit paranoia won't go away), and for better or worse I anticipate my stubbornness leading to caving in last minute and hammering TIP, but...

I hope I stick to my guns this time. Time for discussion and also I need to listen/skim some tonight.

- Bert

I've been talking with you just fine. I mean I get paranoia I really do, but it just doesn't make much sense and if you look back over my play you'll see I'm town here Bert.

In post 832, Bert wrote:
Mastin is right about Matt though with his last few posts that were kinda just seeing where people's reads are going, before putting forth his.

It's called scumhunting. Hopefully tomorrow after I do the homework I've been putting off I can make an actual kind of wall but until then you'll have to deal with me being cautious and asking people things.

What do you think about TiP and Mastin cross voting and my theory that there has to be scum in them?

I agree and my main concern right now is the possibility of a bus considering I'm getting signals from both you/Bert that you're town.

Actually, I think it almost has to be. I need to go look at the timing of some posts.

Do tell.

SHEW

MAN I WAS LIKE MID PANIC ATTACK DURING THAT WHOLE CONVO

ME TOO AND THE ONE EARLIER

YES I WAS LIKE TAMMY OH MY GOSH ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE I DONT WANT TO BE THE ONE TO MAKE THE FIRST MOVE

ME TOO. AND THEN I WAS LIKE FUCK FUCK FUCK WHY DIDN'T I JUST HAVE THE BALLS TO VOTE

Tammy/Matt scum

SORRY BERT